Mesa Dual Recto question

[MetalHeadMike]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

I guess all the people I've heard talk about how hard the MarkV is to dial in kept me from considering it.

I rarely play clean, if ever right now. It'd be nice to have available I guess.

I'm definitely not in any hurry and will wait to hear peoples thoughts on the new TC-50. If that amp is really as tight on the low end, has as much mid grind, has a fast attack, and is still easy to play (not too stiff feeling) as they claim, that might be the ticket. I'll wind up sitting down with a recto of some kind, a Mark V, and this new TC-50 all in the same room for my final decision.

The Mark V is more similar to your Savage and the Recto is closer to you FB100if that helps. If your interested in the Recto sound, I'd suggest looking at a Bogner Uberschall. It's like a Dual Recto perfected if that helps. More preamp gain and low end than any version Recto as well.

Thanks bud. Those analogies makes perfect sense.

Yep, the Uber has long been on the list, and I will own one at some point in the future. Mesa has also been on my list for way too long now, and I think some form of Mesa is next.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

You should also look into a Mark V 35. I love mine. The crunch channel is great and the lead channel has more than enough gain than you'll ever need. IMHO the Mark series aren't that hard to dial in a good thrash tone. The mark series is one of the few amps that I have played that don't really need a TS type pedal to make it tight as they are really nice and tight by themselves. I'm also interested in the new TC-50 going to check it soon but my Mark V 35 isn't going anywhere. Good luck with your decision.

Well if the Mark V doesn't need a clean boost up front for a nice tight/fast attack then that's sounding pretty good. I like it tight!

Let us know your thoughts on the TC-50. For some reason that amp got my attention. Probably cause I'm a sucker for marketing and they describe it as having "TIGHT, FAST ATTACK AND GUT-PUNCHING MIDS" The only thing I see as a downer for me on that amp is that the power amp outs out are 4 ohm and 8 ohm only. My cab is 16. I know I could play on the 8 ohm jack with my cab, but I'm under the impression that running that way changes your tone a bit for the worse. The former is just what I've heard so maybe that's necessarily true.

 

[MetalThrasher]

Look up Mesa missed matched cabinet hook ups and you will be fine.

 

[FixXxer]

I never could get into the mark series stuff. For me it's been recto's or bust. I think you will find the same. I currently own the Roadster, New born, and TOV. All worth keeping in my opinion.

Hope that helps!

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I never could get into the mark series stuff. For me it's been recto's or bust. I think you will find the same. I currently own the Roadster, New born, and TOV. All worth keeping in my opinion.

Hope that helps!

We will see!
I am getting increasingly interested to hear one of these new TC-50s. I'm hearing people speculate that ch 3 is possibly like a mark/recto hybrid. It will be interesting to hear/play this amp.

 

[JakeAC5253]

I never could get into the mark series stuff. For me it's been recto's or bust. I think you will find the same. I currently own the Roadster, New born, and TOV. All worth keeping in my opinion.

Hope that helps!

We will see!
I am getting increasingly interested to hear one of these new TC-50s. I'm hearing people speculate that ch 3 is possibly like a mark/recto hybrid. It will be interesting to hear/play this amp.

Dunno why they would say that. An essential part of the Mark sound is the active EQ from the sliders. Without the active EQ, the Mark is a very woody and middy sounding amp, but people use the active EQ to cut the nasally mids and add some thump and sparkle. If the TC-50 doesn't have that, then it won't really be close to a Mark.

 

[GJgo]

Mike I think for a bedroom amp this is really the choice you should be making. Pick your Recto V30 cab with however many speaker you want & go kill it.

https://youtu.be/PwN-0rHBO_k

https://youtu.be/YDQVAwt_kcI

https://youtu.be/_8IQlP9PxV4

 

[russellconner]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

I guess all the people I've heard talk about how hard the MarkV is to dial in kept me from considering it.

I rarely play clean, if ever right now. It'd be nice to have available I guess.

I'm definitely not in any hurry and will wait to hear peoples thoughts on the new TC-50. If that amp is really as tight on the low end, has as much mid grind, has a fast attack, and is still easy to play (not too stiff feeling) as they claim, that might be the ticket. I'll wind up sitting down with a recto of some kind, a Mark V, and this new TC-50 all in the same room for my final decision.

The Mark V is more similar to your Savage and the Recto is closer to you FB100if that helps. If your interested in the Recto sound, I'd suggest looking at a Bogner Uberschall. It's like a Dual Recto perfected if that helps. More preamp gain and low end than any version Recto as well.

Thanks bud. Those analogies makes perfect sense.

Yep, the Uber has long been on the list, and I will own one at some point in the future. Mesa has also been on my list for way too long now, and I think some form of Mesa is next.

I've had my Rev G Dual Rec since '94, when I bought it new. I added an Uber Rev 2 in '04. With these two, I have not heard any other amp yet that I felt I had to have. The Dual Rec can definitely do great metal sounds, but can also do a dozen other sounds from clean to just about any distorted sound a guy might need. The Uber has great cleans, in my opinion, and a variety of awesome metal sounds from really pissed off Marshall to scooped Suffocation-like tones.

My advice is to audition both in person with your #1 guitar. Both are unique and amazing amps for metal, but only your own ears can tell you whether you like the range and flexibility of the Dual Rec, or the narrower (but more modern/aggressive) range of the Uber. I've given up on saying which I prefer, when asked. They both really have their own thing, and I would dearly miss either one.

Good Luck on Your Quest,

Russ

 

[MetalHeadMike]

If you are playing thrash/death metal I would look into a mark series amp. Do you need a clean channel?

I guess all the people I've heard talk about how hard the MarkV is to dial in kept me from considering it.

I rarely play clean, if ever right now. It'd be nice to have available I guess.

I'm definitely not in any hurry and will wait to hear peoples thoughts on the new TC-50. If that amp is really as tight on the low end, has as much mid grind, has a fast attack, and is still easy to play (not too stiff feeling) as they claim, that might be the ticket. I'll wind up sitting down with a recto of some kind, a Mark V, and this new TC-50 all in the same room for my final decision.

The Mark V is more similar to your Savage and the Recto is closer to you FB100if that helps. If your interested in the Recto sound, I'd suggest looking at a Bogner Uberschall. It's like a Dual Recto perfected if that helps. More preamp gain and low end than any version Recto as well.

Thanks bud. Those analogies makes perfect sense.

Yep, the Uber has long been on the list, and I will own one at some point in the future. Mesa has also been on my list for way too long now, and I think some form of Mesa is next.

I've had my Rev G Dual Rec since '94, when I bought it new. I added an Uber Rev 2 in '04. With these two, I have not heard any other amp yet that I felt I had to have. The Dual Rec can definitely do great metal sounds, but can also do a dozen other sounds from clean to just about any distorted sound a guy might need. The Uber has great cleans, in my opinion, and a variety of awesome metal sounds from really pissed off Marshall to scooped Suffocation-like tones.

My advice is to audition both in person with your #1 guitar. Both are unique and amazing amps for metal, but only your own ears can tell you whether you like the range and flexibility of the Dual Rec, or the narrower (but more modern/aggressive) range of the Uber. I've given up on saying which I prefer, when asked. They both really have their own thing, and I would dearly miss either one.

Good Luck on Your Quest,

Russ

"I've given up on saying which I prefer, when asked. They both really have their own thing, and I would dearly miss either one."
^^^
Yep. Sums up how I feel about my Savage 120 and Fireball 100. They both give me everything I need and then some and don't know that I could pick one over the other if I had to. Not likely I'd get rid of either anytime soon, if ever. Like I said to Wizard above, I've had my eye on an Uber for many years, almost bought one several times, but the Mesa has held my curiosity for near as long and think I might go that route next.

 

[Metal1977]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Yeah, that makes sense for sure.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about the differences between those two Engls. I was flipping back and forth between my Savage and FB100 last night and the Savage is definitely a more raw sound, although I have to say the FB with gain rolled back to 10-11 o'clock and master cranked up gets pretty fucking raw too! Just not quite like the Savage though.

 

[mchn13]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

 

[Metal1977]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

The Uberschall can go against anything volume wise and the more you crank it the better it sounds, the power section is really great on those amps.

 

[mchn13]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

The Uberschall can go against anything volume wise and the more you crank it the better it sounds, the power section is really great on those amps.

Nice! I may just save the extra coin and try one finally. I could make a fairly long list of heads that have gotten pushed around by my 800's. Ubers use el34's as well? I've always preferred them in mesas too.

 

[Metal1977]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

The Uberschall can go against anything volume wise and the more you crank it the better it sounds, the power section is really great on those amps.

Nice! I may just save the extra coin and try one finally. I could make a fairly long list of heads that have gotten pushed around by my 800's. Ubers use el34's as well? I've always preferred them in mesas too.

Depend on the Uber revisions. The original, rev 2 and rev blue use el34's but lately some rev blue got 6l6's. The twin jet use kt88's.
Try the rev blue or the twin jet if you want it to cut better in a band, their voicing is a little better for that.

Sorry, back to the main subject.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I also have both and love them, Mesa Dual Rectifier (Racktifier) rev G and Bogner Uberschall rev 2.

The Mesa is cutting a little better with a band because it's more raw. The Bogner is like a produce sound coming out of the speakers. To me the Uberschall is more refine and saturated.
Mesa Dual Rectifier is more like the Peavey 5150 or Engl Savage (raw) and the Bogner Uberschall is like the EVH 5150 III or Engl Fireball (process) at least that the way i see it, if you're more familiar with those amps.

Chris

Not to hijack; but how does the uber stack up volume wise? I've had a few duals and they get pretty damn loud and hang pretty well with my Marshall. I'm gassing for another dual or triple since I sold my last one, but been curious about an uber since everyone makes recto comparisons. I had one single years ago, and it was on the verge of loud enough.

The Uberschall can go against anything volume wise and the more you crank it the better it sounds, the power section is really great on those amps.

Nice! I may just save the extra coin and try one finally. I could make a fairly long list of heads that have gotten pushed around by my 800's. Ubers use el34's as well? I've always preferred them in mesas too.

Depend on the Uber revisions. The original, rev 2 and rev blue use el34's but lately some rev blue got 6l6's. The twin jet use kt88's.
Try the rev blue or the twin jet if you want it to cut better in a band, their voicing is a little better for that.

Sorry, back to the main subject.

Can the TJ be dialed in to have a tighter faster responding low end response than the Uber Rev Blue?

 

[Metal1977]

The twin jet is the tightest Uberschall.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

The twin jet is the tightest Uberschall.

Thanks

 

[jlb32]

The reborn Rectos are great but I still think the Trem-o-verb is the best Rectifier Mesa has ever built to this point. Just something about it that the others can't match IMO.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

The reborn Rectos are great but I still think the Trem-o-verb is the best Rectifier Mesa has ever built to this point. Just something about it that the others can't match IMO.

Your not the first one to say the Trem-o-verb is better than all other Rectos. I'll definitely see if I can put my ears on one.