Metal is getting worse and worse

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Like the Glamtera years, lol.

Kind of except that pre wages of sin arch enemy was light years better as a band and as songwriters

They dumbed down their sound considerably for wages of sin, and leaned into the "aren't we so progressive for having a broad in our band?" In exchange for positive press
 
I dig Sylosis. I wouldn't say they are breaking any new ground, but for 90s style metal, they are hard to beat.



I dig a lot of heavier bands but wouldn't say they are "metal."
 
They're playing to muscle memory and a paycheck. That's not a metal problem, that's a "established artists coast" problem and it happens in every genre.
 
I appreciate good production, but I still find myself listening to bands like Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica, old Arch Enemy, Motorhead, Death, etc, more often than some bands that have good production but zero feel.

I really dislike Pantera's production, which may seem a bit odd, but it's where the whole clicky drums trend started off with those coins stuck to the front of a drum beater.

I think it's the formulaic aspect of the music, as others have touched upon, though I'd say it's more the music than the production. It all feels like the beaten path has been marched on by a thousand bands now, with none looking to stray off that course and use a machete to carve something new and innovative.

Also, just look at some of the bands I've mentioned and their discography. They've put out at least three or four albums that are all killer, no filler. I miss those days, but nowadays artists are all looking for that one song that'll get a 100 million views rather than a good album, and that approach essentially is leading to the death of albums as we know it.

Here's a nice song, about 5 years old. I'd consider it a good example of the kind of music I'd like to hear (especially given the "meaningful" lyrics).

 
I appreciate good production, but I still find myself listening to bands like Slayer, Megadeth, Metallica, old Arch Enemy, Motorhead, Death, etc, more often than some bands that have good production but zero feel.

I really dislike Pantera's production, which may seem a bit odd, but it's where the whole clicky drums trend started off with those coins stuck to the front of a drum beater.

I think it's the formulaic aspect of the music, as others have touched upon, though I'd say it's more the music than the production. It all feels like the beaten path has been marched on by a thousand bands now, with none looking to stray off that course and use a machete to carve something new and innovative.

Also, just look at some of the bands I've mentioned and their discography. They've put out at least three or four albums that are all killer, no filler. I miss those days, but nowadays artists are all looking for that one song that'll get a 100 million views rather than a good album, and that approach essentially is leading to the death of albums as we know it.

Here's a nice song, about 5 years old. I'd consider it a good example of the kind of music I'd like to hear (especially given the "meaningful" lyrics).



Really liked this album, I'm hoping they come back soon with new stuff.


I've already said it but I just don't get the fuss about production. Drums are one thing, we could certainly take a step back from the overly hyped drums with hit replacements for everything. Even there though, the better examples of this are using samples of the tracking kit and replacing the hits with idealized samples of that kit.

The guitars and bass though.... I would say those sounds are about as varied as they ever were in the 80s. With guitars in particular, there are certain limitations to what the tone can even be when it comes to keeping things from turning into mud. I keep seeing this reference to "drop Z" but even in drop C, which isn't especially low, you need to take steps to keep things tight.

I guess my frustration is I get the sense that if I posted a River of Nihil song, a Psycroptic song, and a Soreption song, all bands that I think are doing cool music and all sound different, the critique would be the same. At a certain point, a music form is matured to the point that there are standard trappings. There is some advantage to this - at the point where tones and production are standard issue, then it comes down to performance and composition to set you apart.

Another consideration is the time frame involved with cutting a record now, and the (non existent) budget. If you aren't recording at home, in which case you are almost certainly beholden to the tricks of the trade as you can only afford so much experimentation in a home studio environment without spending huge sacks of cash, you are going to have a very expedited studio experience compared to the metal bands of old. No band is getting huge cash advances from record companies, if they are getting any funding at ALL. More than likely, the record is self-funded or crowd-funded, and just to get a decent mix is going to cost about $5k for an LP. With that in mind, you either track at home to save money, or you go to a studio and try to finish as quickly as possible to save on cost.

All of this is pointing towards the fact that standardized solutions are required to even get a record done and sounding decent. At this point I won't even go into the economics of streaming and all that, because it is a dead horse. Suffice it to say, you have big-time bands out here that have been touring for years and have a slate of records that are just now in their 40s or later making enough money that they can afford a decent place to live and to help support a family.

So yeah, the production is a little samey. As far as I'm concerned, it's a minor miracle that any metal record gets made at all by new bands.
 
Really liked this album, I'm hoping they come back soon with new stuff.


I've already said it but I just don't get the fuss about production. Drums are one thing, we could certainly take a step back from the overly hyped drums with hit replacements for everything. Even there though, the better examples of this are using samples of the tracking kit and replacing the hits with idealized samples of that kit.

The guitars and bass though.... I would say those sounds are about as varied as they ever were in the 80s. With guitars in particular, there are certain limitations to what the tone can even be when it comes to keeping things from turning into mud. I keep seeing this reference to "drop Z" but even in drop C, which isn't especially low, you need to take steps to keep things tight.

I guess my frustration is I get the sense that if I posted a River of Nihil song, a Psycroptic song, and a Soreption song, all bands that I think are doing cool music and all sound different, the critique would be the same. At a certain point, a music form is matured to the point that there are standard trappings. There is some advantage to this - at the point where tones and production are standard issue, then it comes down to performance and composition to set you apart.

Another consideration is the time frame involved with cutting a record now, and the (non existent) budget. If you aren't recording at home, in which case you are almost certainly beholden to the tricks of the trade as you can only afford so much experimentation in a home studio environment without spending huge sacks of cash, you are going to have a very expedited studio experience compared to the metal bands of old. No band is getting huge cash advances from record companies, if they are getting any funding at ALL. More than likely, the record is self-funded or crowd-funded, and just to get a decent mix is going to cost about $5k for an LP. With that in mind, you either track at home to save money, or you go to a studio and try to finish as quickly as possible to save on cost.

All of this is pointing towards the fact that standardized solutions are required to even get a record done and sounding decent. At this point I won't even go into the economics of streaming and all that, because it is a dead horse. Suffice it to say, you have big-time bands out here that have been touring for years and have a slate of records that are just now in their 40s or later making enough money that they can afford a decent place to live and to help support a family.

So yeah, the production is a little samey. As far as I'm concerned, it's a minor miracle that any metal record gets made at all by new bands.

While I do agree with this, I think the cocked wah sound is a choice, and I have never been a fan of it.

Here is a recent album. It has an old school feel, and I assume next to no budget. It is not overly quacky and clicky. I think we can't blame that trend on modern budget or music industry changes.

 
While I do agree with this, I think the cocked wah sound is a choice, and I have never been a fan of it.

Here is a recent album. It has an old school feel, and I assume next to no budget. It is not overly quacky and clicky. I think we can't blame that trend on modern budget or music industry changes.


Fair enough, but I would counter that this album also compositionally sounds dated. Not that it is bad, but to me it seems to be aping the old school in style and sonics. If that is your thing, fine, but I would argue that if you took that Alluvial example I posted and applied this production people would think it sounded very strange.
 
Fair enough, but I would counter that this album also compositionally sounds dated. Not that it is bad, but to me it seems to be aping the old school in style and sonics. If that is your thing, fine, but I would argue that if you took that Alluvial example I posted and applied this production people would think it sounded very strange.
Yes, it is thier tribute to the 1991 Death album Human. I am just saying blaming it on lack of budget or studio time isn't the problem. This was just an example of something that came to mind that I am sure had no budget.
 
Yes, it is thier tribute to the 1991 Death album Human. I am just saying blaming it on lack of budget or studio time isn't the problem. This was just an example of something that came to mind that I am sure had no budget.

And it sounds like the old 90s albums that had no budget. My point is that what people seem to be demanding is a novel, fresh sound that hasn't been heard before, amd they want it from bands that have neither the time nor the budget to do big-time production.

Or! And this is a real possibility - people are going to bitch no matter what.
 
And it sounds like the old 90s albums that had no budget. My point is that what people seem to be demanding is a novel, fresh sound that hasn't been heard before, amd they want it from bands that have neither the time nor the budget to do big-time production.

Or! And this is a real possibility - people are going to bitch no matter what.
For me, it is all about the guitar tone and production. I know people have brought up song writing, albums vs singles, etc... however, for me, I am purely talking tone. I think the other stuff is a whole different topic.

Another less heavy example is pretty much any Devin Townsend album. He always has a big balanced production.

 
For me, it is all about the guitar tone and production. I know people have brought up song writing, albums vs singles, etc... however, for me, I am purely talking tone. I think the other stuff is a whole different topic.

Another less heavy example is pretty much any Devin Townsend album. He always has a big balanced production.



Devin is indeed the diamond in the rough when it comes to this stuff. He has spent years honing his production, and it has paid off in my opinion.
 
Devin is indeed the diamond in the rough when it comes to this stuff. He has spent years honing his production, and it has paid off in my opinion.
Yeah, even if I dont like everything he does, it always sounds great.

I dont think it is tuning either. You go back to those 90s Meshuggah, Fear Factory, and Carcass albums, they are tuned down to B and A and dont sound quacky and still sound tight and clear.

Somewhere in the 2000s the metal world decided to completely take out everything under 400hz from the pickups, and then jack up the 800hz and 1600hz EQ sliders after the amp. That is where my issue lies. It just sounds horrible to me, and I dont know how that became a trend that won't die.
 
Yeah, even if I dont like everything he does, it always sounds great.

I dont think it is tuning either. You go back to those 90s Meshuggah, Fear Factory, and Carcass albums, they are tuned down to B and A and dont sound quacky and still sound tight and clear.

Somewhere in the 2000s the metal world decided to completely take out everything under 400hz from the pickups, and then jack up the 800hz and 1600hz EQ sliders after the amp. That is where my issue lies. It just sounds horrible to me, and I dont know how that became a trend that won't die.

Some of those old Meshuggah albums may not be quacky, but they damn sure lop off all the low end. In context with the bass and all it may not sound like it, but isolated those guitar tones are very skinny sounding.

Your critique is very specific and I agree that it the hyper quack guitar tone isn't a result of necessity. Sometimes the mid-hump thing is alright, some offenders are obnoxious. I think of After the Burial in particular - their guitars sound ridiculous, songs notwithstanding.
 
Fair enough, but I would counter that this album also compositionally sounds dated. Not that it is bad, but to me it seems to be aping the old school in style and sonics. If that is your thing, fine, but I would argue that if you took that Alluvial example I posted and applied this production people would think it sounded very strange.

Alluvial sounds great because it's good music. Production doesn't get in the way, which is great already, even if not to everyone's stylistic taste.

Others bands with same kind of production style can sound bland, generic, and instant forgettable because their music is as such.
 
Alluvial sounds great because it's good music. Production doesn't get in the way, which is great already, even if not to everyone's stylistic taste.

Others bands with same kind of production style can sound bland, generic, and instant forgettable because their music is as such.

.... Yeah this was my whole point to begin with 😂

Cheers :cheers:
 
Alluvial sounds great because it's good music. Production doesn't get in the way, which is great already, even if not to everyone's stylistic taste.

Others bands with same kind of production style can sound bland, generic, and instant forgettable because their music is as such.

What I was saying, which is what started this discussion, is that I can't listen to them for more than a few minutes because of the guitar tone. The playing is cool, but that mid quack literally gives me a headache. I have to turn it off.
 
Devin is indeed the diamond in the rough when it comes to this stuff. He has spent years honing his production, and it has paid off in my opinion.
On this note his newest “The Moth” is fuckin awesome. Devy is one of my all time favorite musicians
 
On this note his newest “The Moth” is fuckin awesome. Devy is one of my all time favorite musicians
I'm still waiting on a good chunk of free time to sit and listen in full. The singles were really great, shaping up to be my favorite since Empath.
 
I'm still waiting on a good chunk of free time to sit and listen in full. The singles were really great, shaping up to be my favorite since Empath.
I haven't listened to it yet, which is why I went with Genesis above.

I am always hit and miss with him. I prefer the SYL stuff, and I know he has been going more ambient lately.
 
I haven't listened to it yet, which is why I went with Genesis above.

I am always hit and miss with him. I prefer the SYL stuff, and I know he has been going more ambient lately.

He's all over the place so it's hard to genuinely love EVERYTHING he does, but I am at a minimum always curious what he is going to put out.

From the sounds of it, the Moth will have some heavy stuff, probably worth a listen.
 
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