Metal Zone

[BABMusic]

How about Gilmour or Corgan using muffs for their main tones?? Are they using the wrong amp?

I don't particularly hear Gilmour's tones as obnoxious. Corgan on occasion, can have an obnoxious tone, but I don't mind at all. Corgan's main tone on Siamese Dream was pretty cool. The best tone I ever remember of his was on "Here is No Why". But no, they are not using the wrong amp.

 

[Exo-metal]

Are you saying Cannibal Corpse did use the wrong amp?

I later retracted what I said IF its was used as a boost but afa CC is their tone special or something?

 

[RaceU4her]

Seems to be a trend...https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/metal-zone.337405/#post-4573278
That's like saying Cannibal Corpse did use the wrong Amp for their music. Surprisingly they still use Rectifiers but with a ST8Pro+

Well like I said, I just don’t understand making rules and restrictions when it comes to creating tones. A fat and lower gain sound might work great for my song in 120bpm, the next song in 180bpm though that needs a less low end and more upper mid cut is what a TS9 works great for without having to change anything else. It’s not an amp vs pedal tone thing.

 

[rsm]

How about Gilmour or Corgan using muffs for their main tones?? Are they using the wrong amp?

For me, fuzz isn't the same as OD or distortion. It's an actual sound effect not another gain stage like OD or distortion.

IMO.

 

[rsm]

I sometimes think only Graham Coxon of Blur has been able to use obnoxious distortions in ways that sound decent.

maybe; going to extremes with dirt pedals - takes it beyond what many do with OD and Dist pedals - like lipstick on a pig.


edit: this discussion just reminded me; I have a Source Audio UltraWave around here somewhere, haven't used it in years...it can do basic OD, Dist and Fuzz...but much more, with LFO, cascading channels, foldback, octaves, ptich manipulation, modulation,...I used it to create synth-like tones before my SY-300 and SY -1000...I need to revisit it

 

[Eazy-ESP]

“Dude, amps don’t need anything more than a boost these days. Fucking kill yourself.”

 

[Racerxrated]

This makes no sense to me. It’s not a matter if the amp “needs” it or not, it’s a matter of having different flavors which may work better with a particular guitar, cab or just a different flavor to fit a song better.

Exactly. I used to be a 'all the gain HAS to come from the amp' guy. Which is why I joined RT in the first place and chased every modded Marshall I could find. Then, I got a Jubilee combo and threw a pedal in front....That amp boosted was easily as good as any of the modded Marshalls I went through.

It's silly not to explore boosting a high gain amp....lots of new and awesome tones there for the taking.

 

[mctallica1]

Sheesh…seems I opened the door to a shitstorm!

My only point was that I was surprised. In a good way and to ask about the Waza version.

Use a boost. Don’t use a boost. Doesn’t matter to me.

As I said earlier, I’ve owned a ton of amps over the years, boutique and cheap stuff.

I don’t care what I play through as long as it sounds good to me. And what works for me doesn’t need to work for you. Enjoy what you enjoy!
T

 

[rsm]

Exactly. I used to be a 'all the gain HAS to come from the amp' guy. Which is why I joined RT in the first place and chased every modded Marshall I could find. Then, I got a Jubilee combo and threw a pedal in front....That amp boosted was easily as good as any of the modded Marshalls I went through.

It's silly not to explore boosting a high gain amp....lots of new and awesome tones there for the taking.

Exploring the plethora of dirt pedals to get different tones isn't something I'd want to spend my time on. If you do, go for it; spend your time and money however you want; that's what I do.

the long response:

Instead, I spend my time getting the core sound(s) from my amp(s); then I may add effects, usually to cleans and lead tones - which is where I spend most of my tweaking time. I get a core clean, rhythm and lead tone from the amp; then add effects, not gain stages. other than an EQ which has a clean boost.

I have gear I use for different types of music / guitar tones. For example, I go direct into one of my Marshalls for 70's hard rock, and may add time based effects in the loop if it has one.; or put a Hendrix-based effect chain in front of my 1959HW stack using a MFX; For '80s hair / thrash, I use my ISP Theta Michael Sweet preamp/effects into an Engl tube power amp and Mesa cabs.

For my more experimental / prog, fusion tones, I use my computer software plugins, SY-1000, or my JP-2C - where I have three channels = 3 core tones = clean, rhythm and lead. I was using a HX-Effects, moved on to a GX-100 for effects, and I'm now close to getting a VP4; to add effects in 4CM (and amp channel switching). I use my Diezel VHX for these tones too.

TL;DR: I get core tones I like from my amps; sometimes guitar into the amp; sometimes with an EQ pedal in front; sometimes with a MFX in 4CM. I don't spend my time on finding, comparing or using OD or Dist pedals to get variations of my core tones; that's why I call them core tones. It's why I have amps from clean to modern high gain to get the type of sounds and gain I want.

 

[Beyond Black]

Well like I said, I just don’t understand making rules and restrictions when it comes to creating tones. A fat and lower gain sound might work great for my song in 120bpm, the next song in 180bpm though that needs a less low end and more upper mid cut is what a TS9 works great for without having to change anything else. It’s not an amp vs pedal tone thing.

Why simply use a TS9 when you can spend 3k on the correct amp that doesn’t require a pedal for your desired tone?
Respect the rules bruh!

 

[mentoneman]

Sheesh…seems I opened the door to a shitstorm!

My only point was that I was surprised. In a good way and to ask about the Waza version.

Use a boost. Don’t use a boost. Doesn’t matter to me.

As I said earlier, I’ve owned a ton of amps over the years, boutique and cheap stuff.

I don’t care what I play through as long as it sounds good to me. And what works for me doesn’t need to work for you. Enjoy what you enjoy!
T

bingo!
boss wouldn’t have reissued the waza had the og not been very popular. however, after my first enjoyable OG one i did get another years later and it was horrific. so i assume they waza’d it to bring back the glory years version.

 

[BABMusic]

I have one sitting in the box. Every time I plug it in, back in the box it goes
It's on a lot more albums than people think it is though

Sort of like watching Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. I keep thinking if I go back and watch it again that I will see something in the movie that I was missing. Nope. It's still dog shit and never changes.

 

[rsm]

Why simply use a TS9 when you can spend 3k on the correct amp that doesn’t require a pedal for your desired tone?
Respect the rules bruh!

two amps are better than one amp and a pedal.

if you have the room for another amp.

it would be interesting to see how many dirt pedals (OD and Dist) people have vs how many amps?

FWIW, I have 12 tube amps, 3 dirt pedals (UltraWave, SD-1, and Metal Core - which I haven't used in many years...except the UltraWave for more dramatic tones, not gain staging).

my amps go from clean to various levels/types of high gain saturation. I prefer Marshalls, so most of my amps are Marshall or Marshall flavored.


I think my original point got lost in the banter: if you need an always on dirt pedal for your amp to sound good, you have the wrong amp. Not that dirt pedals are bad or useless, I just prefer getting tones I like from the amp w/o dirt pedals, and not interested in using dirt pedals for tone variations. I'd rather spend more, and buy another amp...which is why I have 12.

I'd probably have more amps if I had the room, and if I wasn't using other gear more often these days (ISP Theta, SY-1000 and most of all computer software plugins)

 

[Simon Dorn]

I later retracted what I said IF its was used as a boost but afa CC is their tone special or something?

No. Boosted Recto it is mostly since a while.

 

[Simon Dorn]

Well like I said, I just don’t understand making rules and restrictions when it comes to creating tones. A fat and lower gain sound might work great for my song in 120bpm, the next song in 180bpm though that needs a less low end and more upper mid cut is what a TS9 works great for without having to change anything else. It’s not an amp vs pedal tone thing.

Gary Holt said he would boost a Big Muff with a Big Muff if it sounded good.

 

[Exo-metal]

Gary rules, always had killer tone/sick riffs.

 

[RaceU4her]

Gary Holt said he would boost a Big Muff with a Big Muff if it sounded good.

one of my friends is in the Slayer camp i got to check out his rig, he had a couple boosts in there, one im sure was a ts9 and i forgot the others, im sure they were nothing exotic though or i would have remembered, they are standing up right above the three circle lights

 

[Simon Dorn]

one of my friends is in the Slayer camp i got to check out his rig, he had a couple boosts in there, one im sure was a ts9 and i forgot the others, im sure they were nothing exotic though or i would have remembered, they are standing up right above the three circle lights

That's cool. I see he's using the Silver Jubilees in Slayer now too. He used to use the Vietnamese DSL's before, because he needs a little more gain than the stock 2203s. He said it works for Kerry.

 

[thegame]

boost a Big Muff with a Big Muff

Do they even make lesbian porn anymore?

 

[mentoneman]

there was a time when dirt pedals were needed to push low/mid gain amps into higher gain.

that time has passed.

we have high gain amps now.

I prefer to get my gain from my amps.

I may use an EQ to push (clean boost) to get more input gain and/or EQ to get different tones.

Dirt pedals are not required.

i can appreciate pedals =



…coming from the already high gain amp side.