Mixing Celestion and Ownhammer IRs?

[bkemp23]

Is it possible to mix these two brands of IR? I'm trying to mix a Redback from Celestion with an EVM12L from Ownhammer. When I do, it sounds terrible, possible phasing issue. Thanks.

 

[VESmedic]

Is it possible to mix these two brands of IR? I'm trying to mix a Redback from Celestion with an EVM12L from Ownhammer. When I do, it sounds terrible, possible phasing issue. Thanks.

It’s for sure a phasing issue. You can “try” flipping the phase in your DAW on one of the tracks but don’t expect this to work necessarily either. You can align them in your daw as well, but still, before you start chasing your tail, you simply CANNOT put two microphones perfectly in phase on one source, it’s just not possible, despite what anyone tells you. That’s not to say you can’t make things sound good, but phase is always an issue in some shape or form. Phase cancellation still happens in “ phase aligned” mics, so again, flipping the phase won’t help here either. Most of the phase cancellation happens in the subs/lows and highs, so using two different mics/speakers often ends up sounding pretty bloated and dark. This is why.

On that note, phasing doesn’t seem to be as bad in the IR world like you are using compared to real mics for whatever reason, but it’s still a thing.

 

[bkemp23]

Thanks @VESmedic. Unfortunately flipping the phase made it worse. I remembered Ownhammer comes with MPT files that i've never used before so i thought I would give them a try. MUCH better. Maybe not completely gone but it works for what I'm doing.

 

[squealie]

Are you doing this in your DAW or on a box?

 

[VESmedic]

Thanks @VESmedic. Unfortunately flipping the phase made it worse. I remembered Ownhammer comes with MPT files that i've never used before so i thought I would give them a try. MUCH better. Maybe not completely gone but it works for what I'm doing.

What are the MPT files? I’ve never been a fan of ownhammer at all personally so I’m not sure what they offer and don’t offer.

 

[bkemp23]

Are you doing this in your DAW or on a box?

In GarageBand using NadIR.

What are the MPT files? I’ve never been a fan of ownhammer at all personally so I’m not sure what they offer and don’t offer.

Minimum phase transformed.
Which IR brands do you prefer?

 

[squealie]

So in your DAW. if you are using different tracks for the different cab IRs...you can nudge one around in time by some small number of milliseconds and drastically affect 'phase'.

Send a transient through both cabs/tracks and you can visually align them. Though this might not necessarily yield the most pleasing result. Adjust from there.

 

[VESmedic]

In GarageBand using NadIR.

Minimum phase transformed.
Which IR brands do you prefer?

In general I was suing some custom made IR’s for me, but lately I really like the GGD recto cab IR plugin. It just works and sounds great.

But I can tell my all time favorite was just recently released by my guys at titan audio. Titan audio is ran by Zach from Whitechapel, and runs in the same circle of friends as mine. Knowing this, and who Zach was influenced by/learned from, I knew these were gonna be great, and what I was in to. But it’s a marshal 1960BV cab, with multiple different speakers including 2 different Marshall V30s, as well as a creamback 65 ( my newest favorite speaker) and a GT75. There’s multiple mics, include a few great condensers that I’ve learned to enjoy putting -10 or -20 db under the sm57( main mic always) . They just sound really phenomenal to me and are mic’d how I believe a guitar needs to be micd to cut through a dense metal mix.


Check them out!


https://www.titanaudioproject.com/shop/p/titan-ir-bundle-1

 

[bkemp23]

In general I was suing some custom made IR’s for me, but lately I really like the GGD recto cab IR plugin. It just works and sounds great.

But I can tell my all time favorite was just recently released by my guys at titan audio. Titan audio is ran by Zach from Whitechapel, and runs in the same circle of friends as mine. Knowing this, and who Zach was influenced by/learned from, I knew these were gonna be great, and what I was in to. But it’s a marshal 1960BV cab, with multiple different speakers including 2 different Marshall V30s, as well as a creamback 65 ( my newest favorite speaker) and a GT75. There’s multiple mics, include a few great condensers that I’ve learned to enjoy putting -10 or -20 db under the sm57( main mic always) . They just sound really phenomenal to me and are mic’d how I believe a guitar needs to be micd to cut through a dense metal mix.


Check them out!


https://www.titanaudioproject.com/shop/p/titan-ir-bundle-1

Thanks! I'll definitely check them out.

 

[muudrock]

Is it possible to mix these two brands of IR? I'm trying to mix a Redback from Celestion with an EVM12L from Ownhammer. When I do, it sounds terrible, possible phasing issue. Thanks.

Those 2 IRs aren't time aligned. One of them has more time in front of the impulse than the other one. I use IRs mixed from these 2 companies but have had to use the MPT versions of both unless your IR loader has the ability to trim the IR. Both offerings are available in MPT format in their associated file folders.

 

[bkemp23]

Those 2 IRs aren't time aligned. One of them has more time in front of the impulse than the other one. I use IRs mixed from these 2 companies but have had to use the MPT versions of both unless your IR loader has the ability to trim the IR. Both offerings are available in MPT format in their associated file folders.

Celestion has MPT files? I'll have to check tonight when I get home. I found the MPT with Ownhammer and mixed those with regular Celestions and it seems to be working alright.

 

[muudrock]

I believe the Celestion IRs are phase aligned in that they don't include extra time before the impulse. That should put them in phase with most other IRs if those are MPT processed and not in "raw" format. Some IR loaders automatically trim the beginning of the impulse to remove excess time before the pulse and some allow you to trim it manually or move it in time.