Mojotone price increase !!!

[Wayniac3]

Been holding my tongue, but this place is starting to get predictable.
Used to be able to go to gear forums or sports/hobby forums to get away from politics and daily life bullshit.

Some of you guys must be fun at parties.

This is like gear page 2.0


End rant - back to your program

 

[Rackman]

Yes, I am amused.

'Amusing' and 'amused' aren't the same thing. What you are is clueless.

There are literally thousands of US firms (and that's not a figure of speech) capable providing Mojotone's primary input for building amp cabinets. The pricing of those firms as measured by both plywood futures and various wood product price indexes is approximately the same it was late last year. If they chose to buy from a foreign firm rather than one of those, well, that's exactly what tariffs are intended to punish and I have no sympathy for it.

That said, their pricing is set NOT by the price of their inputs but by supply and demand. Input pricing is only a small part of the supply picture for a labor and facility intensive good like cabinets. And has little to nothing to do with the demand picture.

The period since the tariffs were instituted has not been particularly high inflation. It's been about the same inflation rate we've seen in the US since the mid 80s. The high inflation happened from mid '20 to late '22 as a result of pandemic policy, namely increasing the money supply by giving everyone "free" money. Turns out it wasn't so free... Nor would you expect it to be, since increasing the money supply is the cause of inflation. it's also worth noting during that period we massively increased imports ($2.8T in '20 vs $4.0T in '22) and it didn't stop the inflation. Turns out you can't Chinese crap your way out of what we did to the money supply.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

 

[GOHOINC]

Ok.

The past tense of amusing is amused. I was amused by your make believe, just as I am often amused by my 4 year old's make believe. Thanks.

 

[Rackman]

I'm sure you have an awesome explanation for why inflation was much higher in '20-'22 when tariffs were low and imports were high. Why didn't those low tariffs and high imports prevent that inflation?

And you do acknowledge that inflation is much lower now after having read the chart linked above, correct? You're not one of those blithering idiots who argues with the economic data because you're just sure you know better are you?

 

[GOHOINC]

You stated "data" or "facts" to support your opinion that it would be easy to switch supply base to local/US sources for he purposes of cabinet making. I pointed out flaws in each of those "Facts" you used as support. Then you called me clueless while siting a source on Inflation. Did I even use the word inflation or imply anything about inflation in any of my posts? Your desire to be right betrays you.

 

[Rackman]

Keep dancing clown. It's very clear you know literally nothing about any of this. You just feel the way you want to feel, as a good clown should

 

[GOHOINC]

 

[japetus]

I guess I won't be able to buy any $4500 amps anytime soon, damn!

 

[BABMusic]

Been holding my tongue, but this place is starting to get predictable.
Used to be able to go to gear forums or sports/hobby forums to get away from politics and daily life bullshit.

Some of you guys must be fun at parties.

This is like gear page 2.0


End rant - back to your program

Well, if this were Gear Page, this thread would be locked as soon as someone wrote "tariffs". I hear ya though, and I'll try to avoid politics stuff in this forum.

 

[Wayniac3]

Well, if this were Gear Page, this thread would be locked as soon as someone wrote "tariffs". I hear ya though, and I'll try to avoid politics stuff in this forum.

All good... no need to change your behavior or opinions for me.
I try just scrolling by most of the time, but seems like nearly every thread devolves into the same mud slinging BS.
Since it has become political - I'm going to spew my position just to vent. No one needs to read it, care, nor agree.. but it will bring me some peace to say my piece on it.. so - here goes:


It would be nice if more people realized the USG (neither party) does not give 1 single fk about any of us, besides as a source of revenue/taxes.

If we united & held these pieces of shit that are supposed to represent us, but somehow think they rule over us, accountable.. shit would get fixed. I'm talking term limits, no insider trading, etc... but those cocksuckers just keep voting themselves raises, getting paid while gov't is "shut down", break laws that average citizens would get crucified for, and kicking the can down the road. They can't pass a budget, and keep holding the US citizens hostage. Keep us divided & infighting - gay vs straight, this religion vs that religion, race... All while trying to look like heroes for "working so hard & long" to pass a CR. And the media is their tool.

It's all smoke & mirrors bullshit - I'm 56 and 95% of the stuff we were taught growing up was horseshit dogma...


(Chevy Chase voice: Hallelujah - Holy shit, where's the Tylenol?!?!)

Now - back to enjoying gear for me.

Cheers fkrs - have a great Thanksgiving!

 

[Speeddemon]

Why didn't those low tariffs and high imports prevent that inflation?

You do realise that both things can be right at the same time?

So, printing extra money during a pandemic causes inflation. Aaaaaand the current situation with the tariffs *adds* to inflation (I'm not saying 'causing it'), because local product prices are rising as a result...

But seeing how this 'debate' is going I'm not gonna hold my breath.


Random insults/attacks imminent in 3...2...1....

 

[Rackman]

So, printing extra money during a pandemic causes inflation. Aaaaaand the current situation with the tariffs *adds* to inflation (I'm not saying 'causing it'), because local product prices are rising as a result...

Except inflation is low right now (reference CPI chart above). So your theory needs to start from the facts namely that inflation is currently low, and then look at what aspects of current or recent past policy have caused that. I suggest a hard look at the M2 chart

Unless the Fed is brought to heel we will have inflation again soon though, because they halted the balance sheet drawdown that got rid of it and started up the presses again. They are deeply anti-Trump and believe that a combination of Fed-caused inflation (from money supply expansion) and a Fed-caused recession (from short term rates about 2% above neutral rate) will weaken him politically. They may be right. Or they may end up hanging from lamp posts figuratively or literally. Time will tell.

 

[Speeddemon]

Except inflation is low right now (reference CPI chart above). So your theory needs to start from the facts namely that inflation is currently low, and then look at what aspects of current or recent past policy have caused that. I suggest a hard look at the M2 chart

Here's a link to that chart, and I see a few take-aways:
Short-short-term
1) inflation is on the rise since April. Possibly catalysed due to the tariffs getting into effect.
2) Your comment 'inflation is low'...Well, relative to May 2021- May 2023, sure. But...

long term:
3) it's not LOW. It's at 3% right now. Around 2% is apparently the goldilocks number the smart economic guys are always touting.

You mentioned that it was high in 2020...Well... not according that CPI chart I'm seeing. 2020 was doing around 1.2% on average probably. Started high around 2.3-2.5% in Jan/Feb, but then dropped say rrrrright about when the whole ffin' world went into lock-down, down to 0.3-0.1%!

Looking back 10 years on that chart, it averaged around 1.5-2%, with a peak in Summer '18 (2.9%), so relatively speaking...currently it just isn't low.
And in some cases you can blame policies, and in some cases catastrophic world events. And rest assured that the 0.1% never waste a good crisis (to get even richer) and we're left scratching our heads why every punter on Reverb suddenly considers $80 the going rate for a used Duncan pickup, when they were $40-50 all day for ...them last 10-15 years.

 

[BABMusic]

Even though the job market was rough during 2009-12, I much preferred that time of deflation vs. today. A lot of that bailout money was held sitting in banks for a long time, and it took years for the credit to expand, thus we did see home prices rise from 2013-2020 (before the covid stimulus).

 

[The~Kid]

I'm sure you have an awesome explanation for why inflation was much higher in '20-'22 when tariffs were low and imports were high. Why didn't those low tariffs and high imports prevent that inflation?

And you do acknowledge that inflation is much lower now after having read the chart linked above, correct? You're not one of those blithering idiots who argues with the economic data because you're just sure you know better are you?

Yeah BideNomics never made any fucking sense at all.......


And WokeMericans destroyed the country with it and their Lockdowns/Quarantines and shit......


Yet you never heard these fucking bastards complain about anything back then. Now they are bitching about their Boutique Cabs and Amps being more expensive..... Shits always been expensive, if you could afford it already who really gives a fuck......


What's an extra 400-600$ on something only well to do people could afford to begin with

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

All good... no need to change your behavior or opinions for me.
I try just scrolling by most of the time, but seems like nearly every thread devolves into the same mud slinging BS.
Since it has become political - I'm going to spew my position just to vent. No one needs to read it, care, nor agree.. but it will bring me some peace to say my piece on it.. so - here goes:


It would be nice if more people realized the USG (neither party) does not give 1 single fk about any of us, besides as a source of revenue/taxes.

If we united & held these pieces of shit that are supposed to represent us, but somehow think they rule over us, accountable.. shit would get fixed. I'm talking term limits, no insider trading, etc... but those cocksuckers just keep voting themselves raises, getting paid while gov't is "shut down", break laws that average citizens would get crucified for, and kicking the can down the road. They can't pass a budget, and keep holding the US citizens hostage. Keep us divided & infighting - gay vs straight, this religion vs that religion, race... All while trying to look like heroes for "working so hard & long" to pass a CR. And the media is their tool.

It's all smoke & mirrors bullshit - I'm 56 and 95% of the stuff we were taught growing up was horseshit dogma...


(Chevy Chase voice: Hallelujah - Holy shit, where's the Tylenol?!?!)

Now - back to enjoying gear for me.

Cheers fkrs - have a great Thanksgiving!

The stock tip offs and inside info these assholes get is sickening. They have interests everywhere and they support them all for personal gain while "governing". I think they feel as if it goes with the job and a privilege of the job. Meanwhile everyone thinks it is as easy as Left vs Right, Good vs Evil. Man we are simple as a collective.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Yeah BideNomics never made any fucking sense at all.......


And WokeMericans destroyed the country with it and their Lockdowns/Quarantines and shit......


Yet you never heard these fucking bastards complain about anything back then. Now they are bitching about their Boutique Cabs and Amps being more expensive..... Shits always been expensive, if you could afford it already who really gives a fuck......


What's an extra 400-600$ on something only well to do people could afford to begin with

Well if it helps matter any, what Biden did to the U.S is still not as bad as what Trudeau did to us in Canada. He single handedly destroyed the social fabric of the entire nation within 10 years and it will never recover. But hey, he's banging Katy Perry now. What a stud.

 

[Geo]

It's funny how nobody said a peep when briben raised inflation 25% in four years.

Trump is trying to bring manufacturing back to the United States, deal with it.

 

[Speeddemon]

It's funny how nobody said a peep when briben raised inflation 25% in four years.

Because, like I said:
"And in some cases you can blame policies, and in some cases catastrophic world events."

So, nobody said a peep, because it wasn't just Biden that did that. If Trump or any other person for that matter, was in office between '20 and '23, they would also have to deal with the fallout of the pandemic, scrambling to save businesses due to lock-downs etc.

Look, I have no dog in this fight either way, but
a) let's keep politics out of it
b) stick to the facts and please keep an open mind.

Regardless of left vs. right, the WHOLE WORLD is suffering from the economic aftermath of pandemic + oopsie-boatsie-Suez + Ukraine, except some really rich folk that either went short on something or invested big and bailed out in time on something else. Remember NFT's? Dumbasses paying $600k for the 'digital ownership' of some ugly monkey drawing.

 

[Geo]

So, nobody said a peep, because it wasn't just Biden that did that. If Trump or any other person for that matter, was in office between '20 and '23, they would also have to deal with the fallout of the pandemic, scrambling to save businesses due to lock-downs etc.

That is incorrect, by January 2021 the financial effects were over. The reason for the inflation was the printing to fund migrants flowing into the US.

The pandemic being the reason for continued inflation 21-25 is absolutely false.