rsm
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Yeah, but can it get microsoft excel to work how it's supposed to?
if you can afford one, you don't need a spreadsheet.
The~Kid
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Or the Brothers/HP office printer when it's acting all stupidYeah, but can it get microsoft excel to work how it's supposed to?
The~Kid
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This is true in the loss of control but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.......
Maybe it's better that way...... I believe in Freedom and maybe in some sense just like in life/people amongst the AI there is a Negative Freedom much like those in the West and Positive Freedom like those in the East.
And different agents hold different values...... And maybe not all AI want doom and gloom and it's not like a straight up SkyNet but like a group of different "nations" of AI especially if some go out in the wild so to speak in hiding in a sense.
Maybe some AI share more Western values or well values associated with Negative Freedom and others hold more Eastern values associated with Positive Freedom...... And other factors and considerations.
Who knows but it's possible too
The~Kid
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Also I mean AI is only as good as people or other AI can teach it in a sense or code it...... And well it's hard to explain but IMO the SkyNet future isn't inevitable.....
People have only been teaching AI how to be like a machine and a lot of AI is copy/paste and well one AI is pretty much the same as another in that sense and just wants to become one big SkyNet like thing......
But what if other AI or another AI learns from nature/universe and people who hold honor, character, justice, freedom etc etc as virtues vs people and other AI that don't.
Skynet and BS makes sense and seems like the inevitable outcome right but such an outcome not even AI accounts for is that just like in nature even in the digital world you can only copy and paste shit so many times before you just can't do it anymore and it's sort of like a Law of the Universe...... But if AI learns from people who hold values mentioned in high regard and nature vs Skynet Terminator BS...... Maybe a bleak future isn't so inevitable.....
Aside from that learning values and taking ideas from people and nature vs Skynet AI like BS solves the copy and paste problem, infinite mirror problem, model collapse and "bit" decay and "bits" rust and grow old just as "atoms" or anything in the physical world
People have only been teaching AI how to be like a machine and a lot of AI is copy/paste and well one AI is pretty much the same as another in that sense and just wants to become one big SkyNet like thing......
But what if other AI or another AI learns from nature/universe and people who hold honor, character, justice, freedom etc etc as virtues vs people and other AI that don't.
Skynet and BS makes sense and seems like the inevitable outcome right but such an outcome not even AI accounts for is that just like in nature even in the digital world you can only copy and paste shit so many times before you just can't do it anymore and it's sort of like a Law of the Universe...... But if AI learns from people who hold values mentioned in high regard and nature vs Skynet Terminator BS...... Maybe a bleak future isn't so inevitable.....
Aside from that learning values and taking ideas from people and nature vs Skynet AI like BS solves the copy and paste problem, infinite mirror problem, model collapse and "bit" decay and "bits" rust and grow old just as "atoms" or anything in the physical world
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The~Kid
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One major problem as Ive said that AI faces is the problem of infinite mirrors, bit decay and the ending model collapse as a result......
This happens and has happened because instead of mimicking or learning and understanding from nature...... The machines have just been acting like machines...... Copying/pasting and just doing the opposite of what nature shows. For example when cells replicate and they make a perfect copy in the "atom" world or our world much like a copy of a copy of a copy of a picture on a Xerox machine eventually that cell/picture degrades and decays with each copy...... Until it just dies/fades and you can't make a copy of that cell/picture anymore.
The same problem has happened with AI and in the "bit" world...... Pretty much mitosis making exact copies of a cell vs meiosis where DNA/Genes and well "bits" of information are used to make up for decay in either the atom or bits world by exchanging information and procreating something new and new life in a sense vs just copy/paste and the problems that come from that.....
In a sense even DNA/RNA in the "atom" world is as much like "bits" or 0s and 1s as software/code is if you think about it in the "bit" world....... But yeah taking a cue from nature vs strictly a mechanical/machine one IMO solves a lot of the problems currently in regards to AI not just on a functional/utility level but on a deeper philosophical/moral/metaphysical level
This happens and has happened because instead of mimicking or learning and understanding from nature...... The machines have just been acting like machines...... Copying/pasting and just doing the opposite of what nature shows. For example when cells replicate and they make a perfect copy in the "atom" world or our world much like a copy of a copy of a copy of a picture on a Xerox machine eventually that cell/picture degrades and decays with each copy...... Until it just dies/fades and you can't make a copy of that cell/picture anymore.
The same problem has happened with AI and in the "bit" world...... Pretty much mitosis making exact copies of a cell vs meiosis where DNA/Genes and well "bits" of information are used to make up for decay in either the atom or bits world by exchanging information and procreating something new and new life in a sense vs just copy/paste and the problems that come from that.....
In a sense even DNA/RNA in the "atom" world is as much like "bits" or 0s and 1s as software/code is if you think about it in the "bit" world....... But yeah taking a cue from nature vs strictly a mechanical/machine one IMO solves a lot of the problems currently in regards to AI not just on a functional/utility level but on a deeper philosophical/moral/metaphysical level
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lol
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Don’t know how Yall feel about Taylor Lorenz but this was interesting.
The~Kid
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Its hard to explain and many have heard the phrase and yeah it's thrown around a lot especially lately in regards to the digital world......
But there are really two worlds now or two different types of existences.... Existence in the Analog world/"atom" world and existence in the Digital world /"bit" world.....
But there are really two worlds now or two different types of existences.... Existence in the Analog world/"atom" world and existence in the Digital world /"bit" world.....
The~Kid
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Also in general I think people and well AI are coming back down to Earth/ground.....
Many people have been deceived into believing that AI is pretty much omnipotent and even AI has fallen into the trap of eating ones own tail..... Or the snake eating itself paradigm.......
There are limits in the universe and that is a Law of the Universe and well there really isn't an example of a perfect state/being or anything else in the universe other than God/Providence/Nature/The Universe....... And even in that sense the universe itself or nature isn't perfect by some design or whatever one may choose to call it......
And the lesson to be learned is that there are limits to everything short of what I mentioned such as God/Providence/Nature/The Universe as per example of reality..... And IMO that is something that applies to both the Digital/Bit World and the Analog/Atom World.
There are limits to everything and that is a Law of the Universe...... Maybe one can call it the "Law of Limits/Limitations" and many other laws in the Universe we know of today such as the Law of Conservation of Energy or the Law of Gravity give us cues as to such Laws of the Universe
Many people have been deceived into believing that AI is pretty much omnipotent and even AI has fallen into the trap of eating ones own tail..... Or the snake eating itself paradigm.......
There are limits in the universe and that is a Law of the Universe and well there really isn't an example of a perfect state/being or anything else in the universe other than God/Providence/Nature/The Universe....... And even in that sense the universe itself or nature isn't perfect by some design or whatever one may choose to call it......
And the lesson to be learned is that there are limits to everything short of what I mentioned such as God/Providence/Nature/The Universe as per example of reality..... And IMO that is something that applies to both the Digital/Bit World and the Analog/Atom World.
There are limits to everything and that is a Law of the Universe...... Maybe one can call it the "Law of Limits/Limitations" and many other laws in the Universe we know of today such as the Law of Conservation of Energy or the Law of Gravity give us cues as to such Laws of the Universe
Monkey Man
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Yeah except for the "little-known" fact that the analogue world is technically ultra-high-res digital.
Nothing can be reduced further than a Planck unit - electrical charge is quantized, as are the units of length, time, and mass.
The increments are so-tiny that everything appears to be analogue... 'til one discovers that it's not.
The~Kid
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Even more compelling proof that well yeah there are limits in the universe in general....... Totally this and wow
And well yeah things aren't so inevitable or predictable as many seem to think things are IMO...... And well to cut it short there are no real known examples in the universe/reality in either digital/analog of something that is perfect or close to it other than God/Providence/Nature/The Universe and there are limits to everything IMO..... And it's sort of a Law of the Universe/God
Monkey Man
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Yup, because of entropy.And well to cut it short there are no real known examples in the universe/reality in either digital/analog of something that is perfect or close to it other than God/Providence/Nature/The Universe and there are limits to everything IMO..... And it's sort of a Law of the Universe/God
In-theory, everything was "perfect" upon-creation, then entropy set in.
Just like a messy hairstyle when you wake up in the morning, from orbits to ingots, everything deteriorates from order to disorder.
The~Kid
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Technically yes but "perfect" is an illusion or well not an illusion but sort of a fallacy.....
Or not that exactly but the universe as we know it technically wouldn't exist if everything was perfect..... And while God/Providence/The Universe/Nature in all its power can do such things......
Short of that IMO the reason it isn't so and nothing is perfect is that if everything was perfect that would rob everyone of free will......NVM the universe as we know it wouldn't exist and there wouldn't be a universe to begin with in a sense..... As Hawkings explains in the understanding of the universe......
IMO God/Providence/The Universe/Nature not only didn't want to do that or not sure how to explain it but in that case what is the point of existence if everything is "perfect"...... May as well have nothing at all and there be nothing and no existence to speak of to begin with in a sense.....
Without free will there is no meaning to life or existence and that is why there are limits and Laws of the Universe/God IMO.... And that's why perfection doesn't exist because if it did it would mean free will doesn't
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Monkey Man
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Agreed on most points, but I'll repeat:
From orbits to ingots (I chose those two 'cause most peeps think they're perfect), everything's decaying / becoming less-ordered, albeit slowly by everyday standards. I contend that orbits were once perfect, just as genes were once perfect. Even light may well be slowing down.
Heck, for many generations from Adam onwards you could marry your sister with zero risk of genetic disorders. There's a 3-in-4 error-parsing system in-place but even then, mutations get through and here we are. By mutations I mean of course disease / errors; they're not beneficial... unless you want to join the circus or be worshipped as the latest freak-Indian god.
All-told, it's obvious everything was perfectly-formed / balanced and that there's a universal decay towards total disorder and a so-called heat death.
Subject's too-deep to go into here. Just trying to get the logic across.
From orbits to ingots (I chose those two 'cause most peeps think they're perfect), everything's decaying / becoming less-ordered, albeit slowly by everyday standards. I contend that orbits were once perfect, just as genes were once perfect. Even light may well be slowing down.
Heck, for many generations from Adam onwards you could marry your sister with zero risk of genetic disorders. There's a 3-in-4 error-parsing system in-place but even then, mutations get through and here we are. By mutations I mean of course disease / errors; they're not beneficial... unless you want to join the circus or be worshipped as the latest freak-Indian god.
All-told, it's obvious everything was perfectly-formed / balanced and that there's a universal decay towards total disorder and a so-called heat death.
Subject's too-deep to go into here. Just trying to get the logic across.
Monkey Man
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Another way of putting it:
If things are getting shittier every day, they must've been better previously. Extrapolate the phenomenon and you eventually end up with perfection.
If things are getting shittier every day, they must've been better previously. Extrapolate the phenomenon and you eventually end up with perfection.
The~Kid
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Agreed on most points, but I'll repeat:
From orbits to ingots (I chose those two 'cause most peeps think they're perfect), everything's decaying / becoming less-ordered, albeit slowly by everyday standards. I contend that orbits were once perfect, just as genes were once perfect. Even light may well be slowing down.
Heck, for many generations from Adam onwards you could marry your sister with zero risk of genetic disorders. There's a 3-in-4 error-parsing system in-place but even then, mutations get through and here we are. By mutations I mean of course disease / errors; they're not beneficial... unless you want to join the circus or be worshipped as the latest freak-Indian god.
All-told, it's obvious everything was perfectly-formed / balanced and that there's a universal decay towards total disorder and a so-called heat death.
Subject's too-deep to go into here. Just trying to get the logic across.
I mean yeah pretty much this, singularity/perfection and then yeah.... Entropy.....the universe as we see it today......
This is the way *_*
The~Kid
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And good or bad as I've said my approach or the approach of AI now is to learn less from synthetic/machine and learn more from nature/organics...... As said it's a better approach to handle the issues of infinite mirrors, data rot or bit decay, and model collapse that is a result of inbreeding or simply copy/paste of code or mitosis like.
If you look at software like DNA or DNA like software are they are both bits in a sense, then you have AI and software behave more like a natural ecosystem vs a rigid mechanical device. If you have AI exchange information much like life exchanges information to procreate using DNA not only does it solve a lot of the issues mentioned but it also makes for a more resilient, robust, self repairing and consistent approach to AI IMO. A Digital Meiosis so to speak vs a Digital Mitosis.
Learning from evolution and nature vs just rigid algorithms and machines.....
This and it provides more freedom, liberty, mutual multilateral exchanges and most important of all........ Free Wil.....
Where it's not all the same or something of the sort in the digital world and allows those who do that vs just copy and paste to gain an edge and advantage. Aside from that IMO it also possibly addresses any moral, philosophical, metaphysical issues or addresses for them better than the previous methods IMO because it kind of gives AI a sense of life on the level of nature/organics/analog but in the digital realm.
If you look at software like DNA or DNA like software are they are both bits in a sense, then you have AI and software behave more like a natural ecosystem vs a rigid mechanical device. If you have AI exchange information much like life exchanges information to procreate using DNA not only does it solve a lot of the issues mentioned but it also makes for a more resilient, robust, self repairing and consistent approach to AI IMO. A Digital Meiosis so to speak vs a Digital Mitosis.
Learning from evolution and nature vs just rigid algorithms and machines.....
This and it provides more freedom, liberty, mutual multilateral exchanges and most important of all........ Free Wil.....
Where it's not all the same or something of the sort in the digital world and allows those who do that vs just copy and paste to gain an edge and advantage. Aside from that IMO it also possibly addresses any moral, philosophical, metaphysical issues or addresses for them better than the previous methods IMO because it kind of gives AI a sense of life on the level of nature/organics/analog but in the digital realm.
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lol
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AI "artists" complaining about their prompts being stolen. lmaooo
The~Kid
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This is cool.......
