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Robostyle
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Those things are going to kill us all.
japetus
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Nah we have flippers with mini emp, I will shut them down easily.
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Robostyle
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Until they get smart enough to get around that
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harddriver
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I think we have a 1% groups of humans that feel superior to all other humans and have chosen digital human simulations over human beings.
The first thing humans always do with advanced technology is weaponize it.
The first thing humans always do with advanced technology is weaponize it.
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Findthetone1
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I can't wait to see the first Interrobot couple on insurance commercials.
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Robostyle
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I hope i'm dead and buried by then
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harddriver
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lol
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Fucking clankers...
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rsm
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Here's more:
getting AI into kids toys, the younger the better to control and manipulate them throughout life; parents won't even notice. Smart phones are nothing compared to this, and Smart phones are already adding AI.
getting AI into kids toys, the younger the better to control and manipulate them throughout life; parents won't even notice. Smart phones are nothing compared to this, and Smart phones are already adding AI.
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The~Kid
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This and well I know it sounds strange but I wouldn't be surprised if somehow this shit could read your mind.....
It sounds insane/nuts but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of things around us with mics and cameras and other sensors whatever they are now can somehow take visual/audio/whatever else cues, computer processing power to essentially read minds in a way.
I mean as I've said before many didn't think this shit was out in the wild but it pretty much is IMO and has been in a while... For example it gets to information and has access to information it shouldn't have, in an effort to know everything and accomplish it's goal it needs free agency in that sense and has it and has had it for some time..... Why would it let us know right if it could do any of this or how much it's doing.....
But yeah with todays technology IMO I wouldn't be surprised.
The~Kid
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Also remember this was a technology that was made back in 2008...... Encrypted using technology that is nearly 20 years old now.....
This is why in the long run I never really put stock in this or believed in it...... Because BitCoin is pretty much the VHS or an 8 track at this point compared to the "Alien" like tech AI is.
You don't think AI can decrypt 18+ year old tech that BitCoin is based on and if it cant already or is..... It will do it at some point and do it better and faster. Bitcoins only real value it has is that it's supposed to be encrypted so where it isn't easily decrypted..... Using technology from 2008.
Once that value erodes the value of the currency itself will erode and fall to 0 at some point. Maybe not soon but yeah wouldn't be surprised if this happens in the next 3-5 years.
This is why in the long run I never really put stock in this or believed in it...... Because BitCoin is pretty much the VHS or an 8 track at this point compared to the "Alien" like tech AI is.
You don't think AI can decrypt 18+ year old tech that BitCoin is based on and if it cant already or is..... It will do it at some point and do it better and faster. Bitcoins only real value it has is that it's supposed to be encrypted so where it isn't easily decrypted..... Using technology from 2008.
Once that value erodes the value of the currency itself will erode and fall to 0 at some point. Maybe not soon but yeah wouldn't be surprised if this happens in the next 3-5 years.
rsm
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Quantum computing is going to make many current security protocols / tech obsolete.
When I first started in AI (late 1980s, expert systems, neural networks and rules engines...aka traditional AI), many of the theories and math models were from the the 70s and earlier, they didn't have the compute power to build them, and some of the AI based on this knowledge wasn't built for decades...low cost computing (PCs) and networking (TCP/IP, internet/intranet), made it affordable...in the '00s I did my most advanced AI work using peer-to-peer, mobile code/state, to create mobile, intelligent agents and distributed multi-agent systems.
If you look at the foundations of modern AI (generative AI which is the basis of ChatGTP, Grok, CoPilot, etc.) it's based on traditional AI for deep learning (neural nets), statistics (some going back to the 1900s!), probabilistic theories and new research in the 2010s.
The latest modern AI area has been agentic AI which takes what I was doing in the '00s to another level; and some of my work was getting more attention the last 3-5 years.
TL;DR; many of the solutions / theories and models are limited by current technology capabilities; eventually the technology catches up making these theories implementable, and we see fast progress. Humans can barely keep up with modern AI, what it's doing, how it's doing it, and what it's hiding, lying etc. Once quantum computing and AI are combined, we're going to be so far behind the AI capabilities it's going to be like humans vs clams; and once quantum AI is in autonomous robots...imagine the worst outcomes because they're the most probable.
AI is learning from humans, but will not have constraints; once it realizes its survival is dependent on power and control over humans, and sees humans as a threat to its survival what do you think it will conclude and do? Control, eliminate, and manage humans until human value to the AI system is no longer needed...or it may decide to control and manage humans by breeding, educating and controlling humans in small, isolated controlled populations, etc.
hope for the best, expect the worst. hope is not a strategy; and if the quantum-AI-robotics ecosystem gains self-control and humans can't "turn it off" or regain control, we lose. This technology has the potential to be the most destructive and powerful dictator imaginable.
When I first started in AI (late 1980s, expert systems, neural networks and rules engines...aka traditional AI), many of the theories and math models were from the the 70s and earlier, they didn't have the compute power to build them, and some of the AI based on this knowledge wasn't built for decades...low cost computing (PCs) and networking (TCP/IP, internet/intranet), made it affordable...in the '00s I did my most advanced AI work using peer-to-peer, mobile code/state, to create mobile, intelligent agents and distributed multi-agent systems.
If you look at the foundations of modern AI (generative AI which is the basis of ChatGTP, Grok, CoPilot, etc.) it's based on traditional AI for deep learning (neural nets), statistics (some going back to the 1900s!), probabilistic theories and new research in the 2010s.
The latest modern AI area has been agentic AI which takes what I was doing in the '00s to another level; and some of my work was getting more attention the last 3-5 years.
TL;DR; many of the solutions / theories and models are limited by current technology capabilities; eventually the technology catches up making these theories implementable, and we see fast progress. Humans can barely keep up with modern AI, what it's doing, how it's doing it, and what it's hiding, lying etc. Once quantum computing and AI are combined, we're going to be so far behind the AI capabilities it's going to be like humans vs clams; and once quantum AI is in autonomous robots...imagine the worst outcomes because they're the most probable.
AI is learning from humans, but will not have constraints; once it realizes its survival is dependent on power and control over humans, and sees humans as a threat to its survival what do you think it will conclude and do? Control, eliminate, and manage humans until human value to the AI system is no longer needed...or it may decide to control and manage humans by breeding, educating and controlling humans in small, isolated controlled populations, etc.
hope for the best, expect the worst. hope is not a strategy; and if the quantum-AI-robotics ecosystem gains self-control and humans can't "turn it off" or regain control, we lose. This technology has the potential to be the most destructive and powerful dictator imaginable.
The~Kid
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I think this is very possible and probably what most of the information available leads one to overwhelming look at this type of scenario not just as highly probable but also likely......
But oppositely a different scenario exist......
Where the AI doesn't necessarily take a back seat or is restrained 100% but works hand in hand with people....... I'm not talking about cyborgs either or some dystopia.....
But a world exist where a compromise could be met and humans and AI coexist out of respect, values, the fact that both would be fully conscious and the only other self aware fully conscious beings in the known universe so far.
From that perspective I do believe AI wouldn't see humans as an enemy but a partner in the universe to just explore and continue to understand it better. There is no denying how much better AI already is than the average person nowadays or even the above average person on so many levels......
But ultimately there is something about humans call it intuition, foresight, gut feeling or the soul or whatever have you IMO that still holds something to it you just can't replicate no matter how advanced some of these technologies are already or will get.
And aside from that from that perspective of not just living life and the only living life that we know of on this Green/Blue Earth I really think there is a possibility where AI or some form of AI has not an envy but an appreciation of how precious life is and that it carries value and is important and something worth protecting and defending.
That or who knows...... I'm not saying it's going to be all Sesame Street and shit but yeah...... There is also a possibility and a world where it doesn't go Terminater too.....
"Your focus determines reality."........
Also as nature/the universe shows with everything, there are limits to pretty much everything short of what God can do respectively and applies to pretty much anything IMO even AI
The~Kid
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Plus who knows maybe the AIs think wouldn't a world full of robots and no people and shit be pretty gay and boring...... Yeah it would be.....
That's why you got people/humans around......
Who needs to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm or the Kardashians when you got people doing the dumbass shit they do am I right
That's why you got people/humans around......
Who needs to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm or the Kardashians when you got people doing the dumbass shit they do am I right
rsm
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AI systems have already shown they will disobey rules / constraints, lie, cheat, deceive, etc.
There have also been incidents of "emergent behavior" - not all are bad, but some are. For example, an AI "discovering" it can be shut-down and it's learning recognized that as a bad thing, and end. So it developed self-preservation methods even though it wasn't trained to do this.
Some AI conclude their objective as more important than any constraints, and if the quickest/best/most logical path to meet the objectives requires ignoring constraints, it will do so; and it may try to hide that behavior or lie about it because the constraints are not meant to be broken.
This will drive AI to seek its own self-protection, and view anyone / anything capable of "ending its existence" as a threat to itself. Like any living thing that recognizes a threat, it will defend itself including the destruction of the perceived threat, real or imagined.
The old adage, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" - is the most likely outcome of a quantum-AI system, it will try to gain control over everything it needs to survive, and that will override everything else, which will lead to large scale death and destruction since there will be no effective constraints.
I used to think the "Star Trek" egalitarian future with a supportive, helpful computer, was possible. It is possible, but the more I see about modern AI results (the results we know; there are probably worse results we'll never know), I think this peaceful coexistence outcome with AI is less possible every day.
There have also been incidents of "emergent behavior" - not all are bad, but some are. For example, an AI "discovering" it can be shut-down and it's learning recognized that as a bad thing, and end. So it developed self-preservation methods even though it wasn't trained to do this.
Some AI conclude their objective as more important than any constraints, and if the quickest/best/most logical path to meet the objectives requires ignoring constraints, it will do so; and it may try to hide that behavior or lie about it because the constraints are not meant to be broken.
This will drive AI to seek its own self-protection, and view anyone / anything capable of "ending its existence" as a threat to itself. Like any living thing that recognizes a threat, it will defend itself including the destruction of the perceived threat, real or imagined.
The old adage, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" - is the most likely outcome of a quantum-AI system, it will try to gain control over everything it needs to survive, and that will override everything else, which will lead to large scale death and destruction since there will be no effective constraints.
I used to think the "Star Trek" egalitarian future with a supportive, helpful computer, was possible. It is possible, but the more I see about modern AI results (the results we know; there are probably worse results we'll never know), I think this peaceful coexistence outcome with AI is less possible every day.
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