JamesTiberiusKirk
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The assumption being that the choke hold would be released once the reason for it ended.
Floyd was choked for 9 1/2 minutes until he died.
So that excuse doesn't hold water.
Floyd was choked for 9 1/2 minutes until he died.
So that excuse doesn't hold water.
Shevek
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You're confusing an approved technique with an authorized use of that technique. Yes, Minneapolis police policy permitted certain neck restraints in 2020, but that didn't give officers unlimited authority to use them.
MPD policy also required force to be reasonable and proportionate, and officers were trained to move restrained suspects into a recovery position to prevent positional asphyxia.
Floyd was handcuffed, face down, and restrained by multiple officers. Chauvin continued applying pressure for over nine minutes, including after Floyd became unresponsive and stopped breathing.
The police chief and multiple MPD training officers testified that Chauvin's actions violated department policy. The Minnesota Court of Appeals subsequently upheld his conviction.
And what exactly does swallowing narcotics have to do with continuing to restrain someone after they're unconscious? Preventing the destruction of evidence doesn't justify lethal force against someone who no longer poses a threat.
The existence of an approved restraint technique was never the central issue. The issue was whether Chauvin's particular use of force was justified. The evidence and the courts concluded it wasn't.
MPD policy also required force to be reasonable and proportionate, and officers were trained to move restrained suspects into a recovery position to prevent positional asphyxia.
Floyd was handcuffed, face down, and restrained by multiple officers. Chauvin continued applying pressure for over nine minutes, including after Floyd became unresponsive and stopped breathing.
The police chief and multiple MPD training officers testified that Chauvin's actions violated department policy. The Minnesota Court of Appeals subsequently upheld his conviction.
And what exactly does swallowing narcotics have to do with continuing to restrain someone after they're unconscious? Preventing the destruction of evidence doesn't justify lethal force against someone who no longer poses a threat.
The existence of an approved restraint technique was never the central issue. The issue was whether Chauvin's particular use of force was justified. The evidence and the courts concluded it wasn't.
JamesTiberiusKirk
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Thanks. A much better and more comprehensive reply than mine.
Now, we wait for the "but he was a criminal" replies. What they'll REALLY mean "he was black, he deserved it because I'm a racist pig". Except they'll dog whistle with the word "orc". Oh, hello Oozy. How's a boy today?
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Robostyle
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2 armchair experts from canada who hate the US.
Oh what a time to be alive!
Oh what a time to be alive!
DanTravis62
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Apparently they aren't "Experts" in what fentanyl does to the respiratory system
Shevek
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But you certainly are...more than the court experts...
Shevek
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Choke someone for 9 minutes and it doesn't matter what they have in their system...
DanTravis62
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With the amount of fentanyl he ingested he would have died of respiratory failure inside a hospital surrounded by ER doctors. The court "experts" know absolutely nothing about street drugs and overdoses, and unfortunately I very much do.
Have you ever had to narcan someone having an OD?
Shevek
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Are you sure? Where's the medical document that proves your claim?
Findthetone1
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VonBonfire
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Nothing a hearty brekkfest of bacon eggs toast and orange juice can't handle.
Shevek
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Having experience with street drugs doesn't make you more qualified than forensic toxicologists, medical examiners and critical-care physicians to determine someone's cause of death.
Floyd had fentanyl in his system. Nobody disputes that. But finding fentanyl in someone's blood doesn't establish that they were dying of an overdose, much less that death was inevitable. Blood concentrations overlap considerably between fatal and nonfatal cases, particularly among people with opioid tolerance.
Dr. Martin Tobin, a critical-care pulmonologist, actually measured Floyd's breathing rate from the video. It was approximately 22 breaths per minute before he lost consciousness. That's not the respiratory depression you'd expect from a fatal opioid overdose.
The medical examiner who performed the autopsy knew about the fentanyl and still ruled the death a homicide caused by police restraint and neck compression. Other medical experts independently reached similar conclusions.
And claiming Floyd would have died even in a hospital full of ER doctors is pure speculation. There's no medical evidence establishing that. Fentanyl overdoses are routinely reversed with naloxone and assisted ventilation.
Personal experience with overdoses doesn't override the actual medical evidence in this case. You're arguing against specialists who examined the toxicology, autopsy, medical records and video evidence, while offering nothing beyond your own certainty.
Floyd had fentanyl in his system. Nobody disputes that. But finding fentanyl in someone's blood doesn't establish that they were dying of an overdose, much less that death was inevitable. Blood concentrations overlap considerably between fatal and nonfatal cases, particularly among people with opioid tolerance.
Dr. Martin Tobin, a critical-care pulmonologist, actually measured Floyd's breathing rate from the video. It was approximately 22 breaths per minute before he lost consciousness. That's not the respiratory depression you'd expect from a fatal opioid overdose.
The medical examiner who performed the autopsy knew about the fentanyl and still ruled the death a homicide caused by police restraint and neck compression. Other medical experts independently reached similar conclusions.
And claiming Floyd would have died even in a hospital full of ER doctors is pure speculation. There's no medical evidence establishing that. Fentanyl overdoses are routinely reversed with naloxone and assisted ventilation.
Personal experience with overdoses doesn't override the actual medical evidence in this case. You're arguing against specialists who examined the toxicology, autopsy, medical records and video evidence, while offering nothing beyond your own certainty.
Findthetone1
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9 out of 10 times they'll come up swinging and then get pissed you ruined their "buzz" not realizing they were fucking dead.
DanTravis62
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3576505/
So the average fentanyl NG/ML of 92 deaths was 11.8.
George Floyd's NG/ML was 11, and he also had Methamphetamine in his system.
There is no way to exactly "prove" that is was a lethal dose, that's retarded and something normies would say - people's bodies are different and it's one data point.
but how many correlations would it require for it to constitute evidence for you?
Shevek
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NiNe oUt oF tEn tImEs
JamesTiberiusKirk
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The meth will counteract the fentanyl. Like a coffee with a whiskey shot in it.
Anyhow, I believe the medical experts.
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Robostyle
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Picasso
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White Guilt is a real bitch for RT Soy Boy Beta Male Cucks. You know who you are. 
DanTravis62
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it doesn't counteract the respiratory effects of the fentanyl, it just counteracts a bit of the drowsiness and masks the signs of overdose. That is retarded cope.
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Robostyle
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Ya, just ask John Belushi.
Oh wait.
