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NAD - Updated - First Impressions

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Locally acquired mint condition Bogner Ecstasy 101B (latest revision). Excited to learn what this thing can do, and see if the hype concerning those legendary Bogner 101B gain structure / mids is a real thing. Will certainly post one of my overly-detailed, long winded reviews after the honeymoon phase concludes. Feel free to offer any tips, settings or trick if you know this amp well.

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You probably already know this one, but just in case - run a short cable from the loops input to output and use the master vol on the back of the amp. This brings the loops preamp tube into the mix and the amp sounds fantastic at modest volume set up this way. I don't keep my amp set like that most often, instead opting for a g-major in the loop, but for a fun afternoon give it a shot. Congrats - super nice amp!
 
Just to throw this out there. Currently have a 20th 101 A and a Classic. Huge XTC fan. I’ve recently been introduced to the Celestion Classic Lead 80 via an acquisition of a cab loaded with them.Fully intended to swap out the speakers. To my surprise, I absolutely love them especially with the XTC’s.
 
You probably already know this one, but just in case - run a short cable from the loops input to output and use the master vol on the back of the amp. This brings the loops preamp tube into the mix and the amp sounds fantastic at modest volume set up this way. I don't keep my amp set like that most often, instead opting for a g-major in the loop, but for a fun afternoon give it a shot. Congrats - super nice amp!
This is how I run mine
 
Here’s another tip, next to the Presence knobs, you have poweramp excursion settings. The Loose and Medium settings can trick you into thinking they’re flat out better than the Tight setting because they’re louder, but if you record them and normalize the volumes, I find I get better tones staying in the Tight setting and using an EQ in the loop to boost lows if I’m looking for that. I find this keeps the highs and mids sweeter.
 
Might sound goofy but, whatever - in my head, my 'dream Marshall' has always been what i thought was the legendary '68 smallbox Accept 'allegedly' used to record the album Restless & Wild. The 101b's blue channel delivers that sound better than anything I've heard. And on top of that you have the wonderful red channel that's basically an extension of that blue channel, but different in a way. Then a beautiful clean channel to boot and toggelz to tweak things. Yes :yes:
 
Might sound goofy but, whatever - in my head, my 'dream Marshall' has always been what i thought was the legendary '68 smallbox Accept 'allegedly' used to record the album Restless & Wild. The 101b's blue channel delivers that sound better than anything I've heard. And on top of that you have the wonderful red channel that's basically an extension of that blue channel, but different in a way. Then a beautiful clean channel to boot and toggelz to tweak things. Yes :yes:
That tone is Blue with the amp's boost engaged?
 
That tone is Blue with the amp's boost engaged?
yes, boost - b1, tight or m excursion if u must, presence dimed, vol around 9 - gain, treble & mids to suit your guitar. I'm not suggesting that will capture the dynamics from that album, but that core tone is there on the blue channel, to my ears. Supposedly they used EMG's on that album but I don't have one. When I'm on the red channel noodling around w/Accept tunes it sounds great but when switching to blue - everytime, I think to myself 'there it is'. Listen close to that album - super rich tones and that's what the xtc brings.
 
yes, boost - b1, tight or m excursion if u must, presence dimed, vol around 9 - gain, treble & mids to suit your guitar. I'm not suggesting that will capture the dynamics from that album, but that core tone is there on the blue channel, to my ears. Supposedly they used EMG's on that album but I don't have one. When I'm on the red channel noodling around w/Accept tunes it sounds great but when switching to blue - everytime, I think to myself 'there it is'. Listen close to that album - super rich tones and that's what the xtc brings.
Thanks...will definitely give those settings a try...and yes, the harmonic richness and mid complexity is what drew me to this amp.
 
Jack the presence to near all the way up and turn the treble to near off. Takes the blanket off the amp and really opens it up gain wise. Blue channel boosted is the only way to go.

HNAD. It’s a staple amp that blows an SLO out of the water. One of the best amps to play as a lead guitarist. At times I miss mine for only that purpose.
 
Locally acquired mint condition Bogner Ecstasy 101B (latest revision). Excited to learn what this thing can do, and see if the hype concerning those legendary Bogner 101B gain structure / mids is a real thing. Will certainly post one of my overly-detailed, long winded reviews after the honeymoon phase concludes. Feel free to offer any tips, settings or trick if you know this amp well.

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Tested one in a Store. They are great. But all i did was setting the Red Channel to the highest Gain possible and played a little, but i liked it. 😅
 
Might sound goofy but, whatever - in my head, my 'dream Marshall' has always been what i thought was the legendary '68 smallbox Accept 'allegedly' used to record the album Restless & Wild. The 101b's blue channel delivers that sound better than anything I've heard. And on top of that you have the wonderful red channel that's basically an extension of that blue channel, but different in a way. Then a beautiful clean channel to boot and toggelz to tweak things. Yes :yes:
Supposedly Wolf's tone was a Marshall Superlead cranked with an old Yellow/greenish MXR Distortion plus using the output level of the MXR to control the volume of the amp. I ran an old MXR Distortion plus with a 79 Marshall 2203 with a 12H-30 cab like Randy Rhoads for years and it was a great tone but I never did try the Wolf Marshall trick with the MXR and the EMG 81's..

You also have to remember Wolf was running EMG 81's as well, which I have never tried which is part of the puzzle. Those Accept albums had a great grindy tone with a distinct mid range to them, loved that tone!



Question: Did you run the amps really loud in the studio?

Wolf: It changed over the years. In the beginning we had regular non-master volume Marshalls, and those were fucking brutally loud. You couldn't be in the same building with them. And they never gave us the warm, fuzzy distortion we were looking for. So we ended up using those MXR Distortion Pluses.


Question: That's funny because my very next question was: the old Marshall plexi you used on the early albums (Breaker, Restless and Wild, Balls to the Wall) created a sound that was a lot more "heavy metal" than say the typical "hard rock" plexi sound of AC/DC or Jimmy Page. How did you achieve that more metal sound?

Wolf: Right. That again was born out of necessity. If you cranked the Marshall all the way to 10 or to 7 or 8, you could use the Distortion Plus' Output control to regulate the Marshall's volume so that you could bring it down to a volume you could actually play with. In essence you have a master volume effect — the amp is still sweating, but you can control the volume. The Distortion control was set not all the way up, but almost all the way up. You can still do it today. The only bad part is you get a lot of noise. We always had to turn down the volume immediately if there was a break. I say "we" — whoever the other guitarist was at the time would use the same set up. We always kind of did that as a team. That trained me real well, and I still do it to this day, but with the advent of hush units you don't need all that stuff.
 
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I'm on the 104BV bandwagon now but the 101B is a totally worthy if not Holy Grail amp. Enjoy!
Do you find the 104BV superior to the 101B? I've read several comparisons and while they all felt that the 104 is a fantastic amp, a few seemed to think that there was a certain "feel" or "magic" missing by comparison to the 101B...thoughts?
 
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