New Whitesnake video/single

[Badronald]

I agree about the tubby, fuzzy tone. Don't dig it at all. No edge to it. Way overpowers the tunes. Too fat.

He does play the same lick over and over as well. Not that I don't dig it, but change it up a little. Lay off the gain here and there. Use a different guitar on a part or two. Simple stuff. Using the same gain tone and same clean tone on an entire album is silly. IMO.

I actually dig DC's voice and the tunes, but I find the last album and surely this new one hard to listen to because of the guitar tone.

Where's John Sykes when you need him?

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

 

[Stramm8]

I think you can chalk up the woofie-ness to either the production or that Aldrich humbucker. I had one in a les paul and it made it sound like that...Put the 500T back in; problem solved. That said, I like the tune and the drums sound good. You can hear an actual bass drum; not that triggered click/thud sound

 

[chunkomatic]

They shouldn't have closeups of DC, that was frightening...he did not age well

seriously. nuke it from fucking orbit.

 

[jabps]

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

Agree. Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. Many high caliber players would trade places with Reb in a heartbeat...just not many "guitar" gigs out there anymore. I'd say Reb...while maybe musically isn't challenged very much is still having a good time. Besides...much like Vivian Campbell...the people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Not alot to prove anymore. Granted it would be nice to hear more of them as fans of there playing.

 

[LP Freak]

I think you can chalk up the woofie-ness to either the production or that Aldrich humbucker. I had one in a les paul and it made it sound like that...Put the 500T back in; problem solved. That said, I like the tune and the drums sound good. You can hear an actual bass drum; not that triggered click/thud sound

Hmmm.... I have Aldrich PUP's in many guitars and never had a wolfie-ness, odd.

 

[Stramm8]

I think you can chalk up the woofie-ness to either the production or that Aldrich humbucker

could have also been due to using preamp tube covers

Shit, I didn't even think about that. I changed out the amp knobs right before the pick up swap so that could have had something to do with it too

 

[petethorn]

It's the way he likes his tone. He dials it in like that! I guarantee he'd sound similar no matter what he played through. Exhibit A:

I'm not judging it or anything like that. he obviously likes that sorta thing. it wouldn't be the way I'd go about it, but, ya know... I ain't in Whitesnake

 

[Cornfordcrunch]

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

Agree. Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. Many high caliber players would trade places with Reb in a heartbeat...just not many "guitar" gigs out there anymore. I'd say Reb...while maybe musically isn't challenged very much is still having a good time. Besides...much like Vivian Campbell...the people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Not alot to prove anymore. Granted it would be nice to hear more of them as fans of there playing.

Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. 1,000 percent agreed. The willingness to tour in a Ford Econoline van at 20 years old .. quickly vanishes when you're in your 40's and have had prior success....

The people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Also agreed!

100% percent agreed.

 

[thiswaythatway]

It's the way he likes his tone. He dials it in like that! I guarantee he'd sound similar no matter what he played through. Exhibit A:

I'm not judging it or anything like that. he obviously likes that sorta thing. it wouldn't be the way I'd go about it, but, ya know... I ain't in Whitesnake

Sounds like Diezel amps would be a perfect fit for him. IMHO they're perfect for that woofy fuzzy sound.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Did you guys ever think that Reb might be doing it for fun...and a maybe little bit of money? And it's one more feather in his resume cap, not that he needs it.

If I got a gig with my favorite band from boyhood, I'd be incredibly stoked.

Anything is possible. There has got to be a reason why he is doing the gig. That's for sure but none the less, If the fans are noticing his treatment, then Im sure he is to.

I'm feeling melancholy for him

You know man, what's your problem lately? Stop with the trash talk and find something better to do with your time. I think what you really need is to experience..............................

 

[petethorn]

Ya, I basically agree too. I just think Reb and Viv Campbell are unique cases because they are both well known capable lead guitarists, so in some sense it'd be tough I'd think, taking essentially the 2nd guitar slot. I've had to do it on tours, and I guess it depends on the gig, wether or not I'd do it again. A personal example- in Cornell's band, Chris never dictated who would do what, he left it entirely up to Yogi and me. I'd just come off a 2nd guitar gig when I got the gig, and I just talked to yogi about it and said "look, I'm not into being #2 in this situation, but I will gladly go 50/50 with you" and he at first might have been reluctant, as he kind of considers himself a lead guitarist first and foremost. But we quickly grew to be a really good team, and it became obvious what he should play and what I should play. It worked out great, as we are very different and the contrasting styles made things more interesting in the end.

I just think, if both guys are capable, why not let everyone shine? It only makes your band more interesting. It's not about ego, it's about having fun making music and being able to stretch musically

That said, I'd play in Def Leppard if I was Viv, im sure the dough is stellar

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

Agree. Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. Many high caliber players would trade places with Reb in a heartbeat...just not many "guitar" gigs out there anymore. I'd say Reb...while maybe musically isn't challenged very much is still having a good time. Besides...much like Vivian Campbell...the people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Not alot to prove anymore. Granted it would be nice to hear more of them as fans of there playing.

Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. 1,000 percent agreed. The willingness to tour in a Ford Econoline van at 20 years old .. quickly vanishes when you're in your 40's and have had prior success....

The people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Also agreed!

100% percent agreed.

 

[IntenseJim]

I think you can chalk up the woofie-ness to either the production or that Aldrich humbucker

could have also been due to using preamp tube covers

 

[jabps]

Ya, I basically agree too. I just think Reb and Viv Campbell are unique cases because they are both well known capable lead guitarists, so in some sense it'd be tough I'd think, taking essentially the 2nd guitar slot. I've had to do it on tours, and I guess it depends on the gig, wether or not I'd do it again. A personal example- in Cornell's band, Chris never dictated who would do what, he left it entirely up to Yogi and me. I'd just come off a 2nd guitar gig when I got the gig, and I just talked to yogi about it and said "look, I'm not into being #2 in this situation, but I will gladly go 50/50 with you" and he at first might have been reluctant, as he kind of considers himself a lead guitarist first and foremost. But we quickly grew to be a really good team, and it became obvious what he should play and what I should play. It worked out great, as we are very different and the contrasting styles made things more interesting in the end.

I just think, if both guys are capable, why not let everyone shine? It only makes your band more interesting. It's not about ego, it's about having fun making music and being able to stretch musically

That said, I'd play in Def Leppard if I was Viv, im sure the dough is stellar

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

Agree. Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. Many high caliber players would trade places with Reb in a heartbeat...just not many "guitar" gigs out there anymore. I'd say Reb...while maybe musically isn't challenged very much is still having a good time. Besides...much like Vivian Campbell...the people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Not alot to prove anymore. Granted it would be nice to hear more of them as fans of there playing.

Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. 1,000 percent agreed. The willingness to tour in a Ford Econoline van at 20 years old .. quickly vanishes when you're in your 40's and have had prior success....

The people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Also agreed!

100% percent agreed.

Of course Pete, the flipside is maybe it's truly Davids call...I mean he worked exclusively with Syke's, then Vandenberg, then Vai and now Aldridge. Can't speak for the early incarnation of the band but with those guys they either co-wrote or played (Vai) the parts on the albums. And on the Slip tour, Adrian was clearly the number 2 guy to Vai. Maybe David got a bad taste in his mouth when Adrian and Vivian were truly trying to blow each other in the dirt on the 87 tour...maybe he didn't clarify who the number 1 and number 2 was and it caused friction. I did get that from those interviews back in the day. However anybody that saw that tour was in for a treat as each of them tried to outdo the other...it was guitar fans dream.

 

[Chubtone]

It's the way he likes his tone. He dials it in like that! I guarantee he'd sound similar no matter what he played through. Exhibit A:

I do hear a similarity in that tone to his recorded Whitesnake tone. My issue is I have been a fan of Dougs since about 1989. Maybe the problem is the Les Paul in Doug's hands. It's too fat.... it sounds like the pickup selector is in the middle position or that he dialed in his tone with a single coil loaded strat and then picked up a Les Paul and didn't touch a knob.

For comparison, I'm going to take us back to 1989. Now I don't want to hear any crap about Doug is trying to modernize or get with the times. He's playing guitar in freaking Whitesnake. His old tones and the style of his old bands is EXTREMELY similar to what he is doing now in Whitesnake. Here he is in Lion in 1989. If you want to skip to the lead it's just after the 2:00 minute mark. Tell me the young Doug Aldrich wasn't an extremely bad mutha on guitar. I like his playing when he puts the "extra" diatonic notes in there and doesn't dumb it down so much.

And then a couple of years later, still in the same Whitesnake vein, but better tone and way hipper guitar playing IMO.

I oftentimes come off as a Doug basher in threads, I'm not. I'm a huge fan. I just don't see why now that he's in one of his highest profile gigs ever, we're not getting the best Doug Aldrich ever.

 

[petethorn]

Don't get me wrong either, I think Doug rips on guitar.

Ya, I just have this theory that guys "hear" things a certain way. Most of my friends that are good players, you can give them a Dual rec or a Plexi or a Twin and an OD pedal and they will sort of make them all sound the same to some degree. Know what I mean? They dial the rig in to what their internal idea is of what they wanna hear. I think Doug likes that sound he gets. Gainy, not too tight and lots of bottom.

it's like when you hear Eric Johnson on a Gdec. Sounds like Eric

 

[petethorn]

Ya, I basically agree too. I just think Reb and Viv Campbell are unique cases because they are both well known capable lead guitarists, so in some sense it'd be tough I'd think, taking essentially the 2nd guitar slot. I've had to do it on tours, and I guess it depends on the gig, wether or not I'd do it again. A personal example- in Cornell's band, Chris never dictated who would do what, he left it entirely up to Yogi and me. I'd just come off a 2nd guitar gig when I got the gig, and I just talked to yogi about it and said "look, I'm not into being #2 in this situation, but I will gladly go 50/50 with you" and he at first might have been reluctant, as he kind of considers himself a lead guitarist first and foremost. But we quickly grew to be a really good team, and it became obvious what he should play and what I should play. It worked out great, as we are very different and the contrasting styles made things more interesting in the end.

I just think, if both guys are capable, why not let everyone shine? It only makes your band more interesting. It's not about ego, it's about having fun making music and being able to stretch musically

That said, I'd play in Def Leppard if I was Viv, im sure the dough is stellar

Reb may be the stepchild in Whitesnake, but my guess is he's still got the gig because he's a great singer, and he's easy to work with....and he'd be a fool to leave that gig based on being a pissbaby for not getting enough of the lead player spotlight....he's been doing this long enough to know that there aren't a lot of available hard rock gigs that make money...and with Whitesnake he's actually playing good gigs...not bowling alleys and hick bars for 60 people in Bumblefuck Egypt on a Tuesday night in the dead of winter.
He probably makes a very comfortable living between that and the Winger gigs....and really what more can he ask for?

Agree. Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. Many high caliber players would trade places with Reb in a heartbeat...just not many "guitar" gigs out there anymore. I'd say Reb...while maybe musically isn't challenged very much is still having a good time. Besides...much like Vivian Campbell...the people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Not alot to prove anymore. Granted it would be nice to hear more of them as fans of there playing.

Alot to be said for still getting a good paying gig, playing live in decent halls and touring with relatively nice accomodations. 1,000 percent agreed. The willingness to tour in a Ford Econoline van at 20 years old .. quickly vanishes when you're in your 40's and have had prior success....

The people that really care about the gun slinger thing know exactly how good both players are. Also agreed!

100% percent agreed.

Of course Pete, the flipside is maybe it's truly Davids call...I mean he worked exclusively with Syke's, then Vandenberg, then Vai and now Aldridge. Can't speak for the early incarnation of the band but with those guys they either co-wrote or played (Vai) the parts on the albums. And on the Slip tour, Adrian was clearly the number 2 guy to Vai. Maybe David got a bad taste in his mouth when Adrian and Vivian were truly trying to blow each other in the dirt on the 87 tour...maybe he didn't clarify who the number 1 and number 2 was and it caused friction. I did get that from those interviews back in the day. However anybody that saw that tour was in for a treat as each of them tried to outdo the other...it was guitar fans dream.

Ya you are probably spot on, I'm sure if Doug is MD, and that was dictated by David, then there you go.

Maybe I should just as Reb. He uses the PT100 after all
I honestly think Reb is a chill dude that doesn't really care that much anymore about the ego stuff, he was on the cover of guitar mags 20 years ago, he doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

 

[ke2]

I like the song pretty good.
I have the same sentiments about Reb's situation as Pete, he gets to play, sing, and probably sleep in decent hotels instead of dumps.
He loves the music (or at least he said so on the DVD)

So what if he doesn't get to play the solos or appear much in the videos?

I've played bass in bands where I obviously was the most technical able guitar player
I've sung in bands where I obviously was the most able guitar player.
I'm more than happy to play rhythm and sing backing if it's a fun gig.
And I've never been on the cover of any magazines, and the only ones who have praised my playing (that's not family), are members of Internet forums LOL. Why shouldn't he be content?

 

[zz666]

It's weird cos Doug's tone on the Burning Rain albums is killer, but he was using his strats then, and playing WAY better

 

[BGG]

It's weird cos Doug's tone on the Burning Rain albums is killer, but he was using his strats then, and playing WAY better

I'm sure it's a Burning Rain riff in this new song