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Skirmish
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Love the guitar sound on Carpe Diem
griff10672
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Wow .... I didn't know they put anything out after AJFA ......
shredi knight
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BABMusic
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I know most say that Metallica died after Cliff passed, but I think Metallica really died when Jason left.
TheGreatGreen
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Yep. They changed when Cliff died. But Jason's departure really sealed the deal. I liked almost everything they did when Jason was in the band (excluding some of Load and a lot of Reload) but IMO since Jason left, they haven't released one single thing worth listening to. It's almost bizarre.
Also, as talented as Rob is as a bass player, he looks like a gorilla doing an impression of a crab when he waddles around the stage like that and it totally kills the vibe.
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Techdeth
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Robs playing on 72 seasons is insane . They made they mofo play like a machine .
I don’t think people realize how fucking hard it is to play the same note this long and make each not IDENTICAL in time value and picking the note the same Everytime . He does it live too.
72 seasons it’s a great listen even just for him
. People say it sucks but it’s actually a very sabbathy album if you look at it that way .
Just wanted to add that since Rob came up .
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Philhouse
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I've come around a little more on 72 from where I despised it, but it's still weak as fuck, esp for a band of their (old) caliber. I can make it through the album ok now, but as soon as I put on another album it highlights how weak 72 is, especially when you consider their access to the best amps, equipment, producers, studios, and over 40 years of experience... yet this is what they produced.
They need people that can tell them the words 'No, thats not good enough' rather than the echo(brain) chamber of 'yes men' around them.
You're right though, Rob's playing and tone is great. Same as on HWTSD. I do still hate his schtick with the crabwalk. At least Jason had a bit more self respect than that to become a total gimmick performance. Just play those killer Bass lines Rob, lose the stupid act.
Lars sounds sloppy and generic af. I'd say he's still a shit lead guitar coach, but I fear to think of how much worse Kirks leads would have be in the least 30 years if he even didn't have Lars to guide and help him, as crap as it is.
James had some cool riffs, actually fun to play, but it's just a big messy riff salad with dire need for editing and culling back on the structures. His tone sounds like trash, which is a pity considering the lengths they went to explain that it was a super cool Jose as one of the primary amps, well, they did an amazing job of turning potential gold into shit there. It could be a Line 6 'Insane' mode for all we can hear.
Kirk, well.. he literally just slapped down a bunch of slop licks over the tracks, left and just let Greg and Lars assemble/comp his solos for him. The height of laziness and disregard for the art. He didn't even show up for the HWTSD writing sessions until it was his time to slap down some pentaslop in the studio.
James and Rob carry the album. Barely.
rsm
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AJFA was good, but neutered without the bass; they had a few songs after that which I liked, but they didn't top MoP, RTL, IMO
Speeddemon
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I'm basically only listening to a special version called And Justice for Jason, where some gear-geeks managed to amp up the bass guitar in a natural way.
Note that there are multiple attempts that tried this, so I had to listen 3 or 4, to pick one that sounded most like how it should've been without the Lars hissyfit, but not with some overly forward bass sound, where Jason is made into a DD Verni/Steve Harris caricature either.
Note that there are multiple attempts that tried this, so I had to listen 3 or 4, to pick one that sounded most like how it should've been without the Lars hissyfit, but not with some overly forward bass sound, where Jason is made into a DD Verni/Steve Harris caricature either.
DrewJD82
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That was my exact same entry to Metallica; I was in 7th grade when Load came out, I thought the clean guitar part on “Until It Sleeps” sounded cool as fuck, knew nothing about the band previously, probably didn’t even know “Enter Sandman” was a Metallica song, never mind anything off the previous albums.
Didn’t dig Reload much but by that point I had joined my first high school band that played shit off TBA, RTL and KEA and then I got to discover that stuff as I learned it, which was quite a bit different than learning “Hero Of The Day” hahahaha
It took me a long time to realize why they got so much pushback for Load because I was a fan before I saw the backlash and certainly before I understood it.
Also, Jason had a great podcast with Dean Delray recently. Dean’s show is pretty good, dude’s a musician and asks good questions while having a good amount of report with everyone he interviews and it makes for a great show.
Techdeth
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Deans show is great . He’s a wild dude .
Ok with Metallica it’s like this . If you love them you go for the ride . Watch the evolution . What’s funnny is how many guitarist that rag in st anger but could never play the frantic riffs right . There’s great stuff in every album . 72 Seasons is not great . But saying it’s bad is crazy . If you like sabbath it’s very Sabbath .
Each album is a snapshot of my life .
I found them at garage days in 87 at the arcade . After that every album takes me to where I was in life at those times .
But I also live nirvana to Dream theatre and see the value in both . I support anyone who jams a guitar in 2026 . The kids need to see it badly
DrewJD82
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Yeah, I thought 72 Seasons was ‘fun’ for what it was; upbeat and not trying to be too much of anything one way or the other. The songs were much cooler live than on the album. Shit, I’d be fine if they didn’t even release new music and just went out every couple years putting on badass shows. We need someone around to keep the bar up there for stadium shows.
Techdeth
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Ya we need that fr
romanianreaper
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I'm a lifelong Metallica fan and other than Lulu, I dig nearly everything yo some extent.
I do think that age seems to play a big part in what fans think about Load and Unload. For someone who started listening to Metallica in 85', Load freaked me out. I'm glad Metallica has morphed and tried new things but that threw me big time.
When i hear songs from Load and Unload, I try to picture Metallica with long hair and all black playing those songs and ask if it could have fit on another album? The guitars just are loose and greasy and I guess some people loved that.
Some of those Load and Reload songs have grown on me over the years. If "Fuel" would have been the first song I heard from the new sound, would I feel different about those albums?
I do think that age seems to play a big part in what fans think about Load and Unload. For someone who started listening to Metallica in 85', Load freaked me out. I'm glad Metallica has morphed and tried new things but that threw me big time.
When i hear songs from Load and Unload, I try to picture Metallica with long hair and all black playing those songs and ask if it could have fit on another album? The guitars just are loose and greasy and I guess some people loved that.
Some of those Load and Reload songs have grown on me over the years. If "Fuel" would have been the first song I heard from the new sound, would I feel different about those albums?
DrewJD82
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“The Outlaw Torn” is still my favorite Metallica song of all time, but not because it’s a ‘Metallica song’, I just really love the song and it’s really the only lyrics Hetfield has written I can relate to, to the point I want to tattoo the chorus on me somewhere.
If I had to pick a favorite ‘Metallica song for what we all know and love them for’ it’s “Blackened”, no hesitation or second guessing there.
If I had to pick a favorite ‘Metallica song for what we all know and love them for’ it’s “Blackened”, no hesitation or second guessing there.
BABMusic
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I believe Outlaw Torn was hinting at James' struggles with additions. I can certainly relate. Low Man's Lyric to me, is a song of a similar topic, but I can really feel James' pain and regret in that song. I didn't know it at the time, but after seeing what happened with Some Kind of Monster, it was obvious that this problem had been building for years.
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