Proof Guitars Aren't As Good As They Used To Be

but it makes me weep for the hobby when someone like that has literally hundreds of high end guitars and can barely fucking play
This. I was watching a dude demo a 7k+ PRS hollowbody ii core and all he could manage was a few cowboy chords. People don't have shame in the modern era. It's like me demoing a 10k trumpet.....I been playing for five months. I have absolutely zero business commenting.
 
What it say on your DD 214 ?
Oh thats right cowards who never served don't have one.
I never served i just have the records to prove i did.
 

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This. I was watching a dude demo a 7k+ PRS hollowbody ii core and all he could manage was a few cowboy chords. People don't have shame in the modern era. It's like me demoing a 10k trumpet.....I been playing for five months. I have absolutely zero business commenting.

Yep. I've played drums on and off for my entire adult life, but i'm nowhere near the drummer I am a guitarist.

Do you think i would jump into a Pearl vs Tama or Sabian vs Meinl debate, knowing i've just barely got the basics down? Of course not.

But everyone feels comfortable sharing their opinions on how gibsons or fenders or marshalls (or insert incredible legacy brand here) actually suck or whatever after playing "come as you are" with all downstrokes
 
This. I was watching a dude demo a 7k+ PRS hollowbody ii core and all he could manage was a few cowboy chords. People don't have shame in the modern era. It's like me demoing a 10k trumpet.....I been playing for five months. I have absolutely zero business commenting.


Trumpet? Why not flugelhorn? (serious question) (edit: or cornet?)

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I learned (alto) saxophone in 5th grade; often won solo spots in our school concerts; played in the city youth symphony for several years (practice was 4 hours every Saturday morning), and high school jazz band (tenor and baritone sax) until senior year when I got first chair guitar.

I couldn't play a sax today if my life depended on it.
 
Trumpet? Why not flugelhorn? (serious question)
I have a conn trumpet, conn cornet, and a cheap flugel. Something happened last month and my lips ain't working on the Cornet or Trumpet 3c mouthpiece properly. Hard to explain. I initially got into it for the Flugel so that's been the direction I been going with my practice.
 
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I have a conn trumpet, conn cornet, and a cheap flugel. Something happened last month and my lips ain't working on the Cornet or Trumpet 3c mouthpiece properly. Hard to explain. I initially got into it for the Flugel so that's been the direction I been going with my practice.

Yes, I just edited my post, adding cornet, it's also mellower than the trumpet. Being an adult, our face muscles have matured, so it's more difficult to learn and control a "new" embouchure for strength, endurance, and accuracy than when we're kids. I tried learning flute as an adult and gave up because getting the embouchure was too much work, and frustrating.

I played bugle in the Boy Scouts, so I learned brass embouchure...on a very small narrow mouthpiece. In 8th grade our school got two new sousaphones, mouthpiece was larger than the size of a shotglass, I enjoyed playing it, same for other instruments the school had.

I used to carry my bugle mouthpiece everywhere and could practice the different exercises conveniently

When I played alto sax in school band, we sat in front of the trumpet section, and there were always several trumpets, and trumpets are very loud and piercing - this one MF'er, our school's best (and loudest) trumpet player would often lean forward and play closer to my ear, it was painful pissed me off that I nearly punched him a few times IIRC. We were often competing for solo spots.

Kid was a real prankster, I remember in one concert, he took a wad of gum and threw it, and it hit an oboe dude in the head, and got stuck in his hair and he sat there on stage for our full concert, they had to cut it out of his hair and he had this big bald spot...fun times.

When I played tenor and baritone, I sat in front of the trombones and baritones, I formed my first paid gigging band with one of the trombone players who also played bass guitar.
 
This. I was watching a dude demo a 7k+ PRS hollowbody ii core and all he could manage was a few cowboy chords. People don't have shame in the modern era. It's like me demoing a 10k trumpet.....I been playing for five months. I have absolutely zero business commenting.
Kinda like all the dweebs over at TGP talking about how ‘reliable’ their gear is when it never leaves the basement
 
Yes, I just edited my post, adding cornet, it's also mellower than the trumpet. Being an adult, our face muscles have matured, so it's more difficult to learn and control a "new" embouchure for strength, endurance, and accuracy than when we're kids. I tried learning flute as an adult and gave up because getting the embouchure was too much work, and frustrating.

I played bugle in the Boy Scouts, so I learned brass embouchure...on a very small narrow mouthpiece. In 8th grade our school got two new sousaphones, mouthpiece was larger than the size of a shotglass, I enjoyed playing it, same for other instruments the school had.

I used to carry my bugle mouthpiece everywhere and could practice the different exercises conveniently

When I played alto sax in school band, we sat in front of the trumpet section, and there were always several trumpets, and trumpets are very loud and piercing - this one MF'er, our school's best (and loudest) trumpet player would often lean forward and play closer to my ear, it was painful pissed me off that I nearly punched him a few times IIRC. We were often competing for solo spots.

Kid was a real prankster, I remember in one concert, he took a wad of gum and threw it, and it hit an oboe dude in the head, and got stuck in his hair and he sat there on stage for our full concert, they had to cut it out of his hair and he had this big bald spot...fun times.

When I played tenor and baritone, I sat in front of the trombones and baritones, I formed my first paid gigging band with one of the trombone players who also played bass guitar.
I like the cornet a lot because it's halfway between trumpet and flugel so you still get the musically acrobatic ability of a trumpet without the piercing tone. I was able to score a '53 Conn 12a cornet for $150. It's got the electroformed copper bell which has a warm sizzle to it so I was getting obsessed with it and putting in a lot of time on it over the winter and was making a lot of progress fast.

But I did too much practice time one day and something happened. Now after five minutes on a 3c whether it's trumpet or cornet my lips start doing all kinds of weird stuff. It's like my lips swoll up and wanna slam against the bottom of the cup but I switch to a deeper cup and while it mitigates it some it's still problematic. I've been going easy trying to get them back on track with some results. It's frustrating cause unlike guitar you can't just play for hours and hours a day. So mostly I been using the flugel. I just play it better but unfortunately it's more demanding to get into the high range. Not sure how it's all gonna work out.
 
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It's absolutely amazing, the ratio of "living room couch" pictures to gig pictures isn't it?
And the gushing over new pedals and how amazing they are never having put them to use in the real world. Three weeks later it's "I didn't bond with it" and it's for sale in the classifieds, LOL.
 
I like the cornet a lot because it's halfway between trumpet and flugel so you still get the musically acrobatic ability of a trumpet without the piercing tone. I was able to score a '53 Conn 12a cornet for $150. It's got the electroformed copper bell which has a warm sizzle to it so I was getting obsessed with it and putting in a lot of time on it over the winter and was making a lot of progress fast.

But I did too much practice time one day and something happened. Now after five minutes on a 3c whether it's trumpet or cornet my lips start doing all kinds of weird stuff. It's like my lips swoll up and wanna slam against the bottom of the cup but I switch to a deeper cup and while it mitigates it some it's still problematic. I've been going easy trying to get them back on track with some results. It's frustrating cause unlike guitar you can't just play for hours and hours a day. So mostly I been using the flugel. I just play it better but unfortunately it's more demanding to get into the high range. Not sure how it's all gonna work out.


did you look for some embouchure exercises / tutorials? There may be some that address your issues which are probably common?

I haven't tried a brass instrument in decades, so I'm sure my embouchure, like sax, has completely atrophied. But I do remember there were various exercises to improve different aspects. I'm sure there are YT vids on them?

When I was learning flute, I had issues getting to the higher octave with low breath force. Every once in awhile it would work effortlessly, but I couldn't understand how/why it worked, I couldn't control it and get it to work on-demand. The fingering was easy thanks to my years of sax playing, but full control, strength and accuracy of the embouchure were elusive.
 
did you look for some embouchure exercises / tutorials? There may be some that address your issues which are probably common?
I've gotten some basic advice which always includes "get lessons" but the $ for study books and in person instruction isn't there right now as we are kind of focused on paying down debts this year and sending my old lady back to school.

I do have some idea on what I need to do. Long tones, breath control, restricting my practice times (hard when you enjoy playing). Like any instrument there will be an element of perseverance involved to overcome challenges. I think I can work through it, it will just take some time. Worst case scenario is I'm a flugelhorn player for life which is ok since I love it's singing, mellow tone.
 
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Trumpet? Why not flugelhorn? (serious question) (edit: or cornet?)

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I learned (alto) saxophone in 5th grade; often won solo spots in our school concerts; played in the city youth symphony for several years (practice was 4 hours every Saturday morning), and high school jazz band (tenor and baritone sax) until senior year when I got first chair guitar.

I couldn't play a sax today if my life depended on it.
Don't those usually require better control due to intonation issues? Might not be the best for a beginner.


I've gotten some basic advice which always includes "get lessons" but the $ for study books and in person instruction isn't there right now as we are kind of focused on paying down debts this year and sending my old lady back to school.

I do have some idea on what I need to do. Long tones, breath control, restricting my practice times (hard when you enjoy playing). Like any instrument there will be an element of perseverance involved to overcome challenges. I think I can work through it, it will just take some time. Worst case scenario is I'm a flugelhorn player for life which is ok since I love it's singing, mellow tone.
Just remember posture helps a lot with basically all aspects of wind instrument playing.
 
Don't those usually require better control due to intonation issues? Might not be the best for a beginner.
My flugel is a cheap $300 chinese model but actually plays pretty easy. TBH vs a vintage Conn cornet without fingered tuning slides I play it in tune better and since the slide is actually a trigger operated I find it easier to actuate without losing my embouchure than my trumpet.

Just remember posture helps a lot with basically all aspects of wind instrument playing.
No doubt about that. Angle of the horn, lip position, staying relaxed. Keeping teeth apart but not jutting my lower jaw. A ton of small things contribute to making it work right. It's a tricky instrument. Thanks Kagami.

Tbh after the past few days I think I've narrowed my issue down to mouthpieces. The wider rim of my cornet 3c (and some other mp's I have) gives me more issues than the narrower rim on the cheap-o mouthpiece of my flugelhorn. I can play the 3c but only for a few minutes whereas I can play the flugel mp for 15-20 mins until I run out of steam.
 

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