quadraverb?

[Anonymous]

no love for the weak or weary. he told me to prove him wrong, so i did

in all honesty i did learn alot from this thread and from steve. but im not admitting to something that is wrong vs close, with a member of a forum who i dont even know personally with a tone issue i heard first hand. close is close enough for what i heard. dont tell me im wrong 100%. it was as close to a w/d/w rig as ill ever get. ive said that maybe 8 times now. but he insists im 100% wrong. dont tell me its wrong, when you were not even there. i stand by my point and argue it because thats exactly what happened.

You misunderstand. I'm telling you it is impossible to take the mono output of a G-Major amplify that signal with a single amp that has two outputs and have delay from the G-Major in one cab connected to one output and chorus in the other cab connected to the other output. I contend that this is physically impossible, yet that is what you described in the two methods that you achieved this. MY contention is that you would have to have chorus AND delay in each cab since the signals are identical. If you use both effects in a patch, regardless of panning, the effects will be summed in the mono signal and appear identically in each cab after being amplified by one amp with 2 cabs

At this point, all of you done is said I was there I heard it, you weren't there, etc. None of these explanations tell me how what you are saying is possible...

Perhaps I've lost my mind. I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me how this is possible. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know... I'm serious.

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

you were not there. you did not hear slap back delay go from one cab, to the other with a mono connection. it may of sounded like shit and not 100% true but it did.

I FUCKING SAID IT WAS CLOSE. im not a rich bastard that has all that equipment. i said it was close for what we had to work with. at the time i was the one borrowing one of the cabs i own now AND another guitar head that i didnt even own.

you dont mean to be rude? take your physical bullshit and shove it up your ass. i said this once, and i will say this again. i did NOT have another amplifier to run a by the book wet dry wet rig, if i did i would have. but did i? no i did not. i made do with what i had and used EQ settings to make up for it to get it close.

know it all? dude fuck you. i tried to say what i heard in a nice way and you go off. i know what the hell i heard. i have 2 ears. unless you can replicate it using the same exact gear then shut it

i said ill take the knowledge i learned from you and leave it at that. i even thanked you for it. but dont stand here and correct my ass when you were not physically there to hear it OR have the same fucking rig.

THE END.

Until you or someone else gives me a factual explanation of how it is possible to have chorus in one cab and delay in the other by taking the mono output of a G-Major, amplifying it with one amp to two speaker outs, it won't be the end for me. I don't care what it sounded like to you. I just want to know how this is physically possible... All I need to know is how you can turn a summed mono signal into a stereo signal with just an amp and cabs...

Anyone? I'm starting to feel like I've lost my mind here...

Steve

 

[jcj]

I'm sure there will be plenty along to back you up....what you're saying makes sense to me, but I can barely change a string ...When I had a rack (many, many years ago, when I was WAY better) I had to have someone else take care of it for me, so I'm no expert.

 

[glpg80]

you were not there. you did not hear slap back delay go from one cab, to the other with a mono connection. it may of sounded like shit and not 100% true but it did.

I FUCKING SAID IT WAS CLOSE. im not a rich bastard that has all that equipment. i said it was close for what we had to work with. at the time i was the one borrowing one of the cabs i own now AND another guitar head that i didnt even own.

you dont mean to be rude? take your physical bullshit and shove it up your ass. i said this once, and i will say this again. i did NOT have another amplifier to run a by the book wet dry wet rig, if i did i would have. but did i? no i did not. i made do with what i had and used EQ settings to make up for it to get it close.

know it all? dude fuck you. i tried to say what i heard in a nice way and you go off. i know what the hell i heard. i have 2 ears. unless you can replicate it using the same exact gear then shut it

i said ill take the knowledge i learned from you and leave it at that. i even thanked you for it. but dont stand here and correct my ass when you were not physically there to hear it OR have the same fucking rig.

THE END.

Until you or someone else gives me a factual explanation of how it is possible to have chorus in one cab and delay in the other by taking the mono output of a G-Major, amplifying it with one amp to two speaker outs, it won't be the end for me. I don't care what it sounded like to you. I just want to know how this is physically possible... All I need to know is how you can turn a summed mono signal into a stereo signal with just an amp and cabs...

Anyone? I'm starting to feel like I've lost my mind here...

Steve

you cant. but you can get close enough.

9x ftw!

 

[glpg80]

no love for the weak or weary. he told me to prove him wrong, so i did

in all honesty i did learn alot from this thread and from steve. but im not admitting to something that is wrong vs close, with a member of a forum who i dont even know personally with a tone issue i heard first hand. close is close enough for what i heard. dont tell me im wrong 100%. it was as close to a w/d/w rig as ill ever get. ive said that maybe 8 times now. but he insists im 100% wrong. dont tell me its wrong, when you were not even there. i stand by my point and argue it because thats exactly what happened.

You misunderstand. I'm telling you it is impossible to take the mono output of a G-Major amplify that signal with a single amp that has two outputs and have delay from the G-Major in one cab connected to one output and chorus in the other cab connected to the other output. I contend that this is physically impossible, yet that is what you described in the two methods that you achieved this. MY contention is that you would have to have chorus AND delay in each cab since the signals are identical. If you use both effects in a patch, regardless of panning, the effects will be summed in the mono signal and appear identically in each cab after being amplified by one amp with 2 cabs

At this point, all of you done is said I was there I heard it, you weren't there, etc. None of these explanations tell me how what you are saying is possible...

Perhaps I've lost my mind. I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me how this is possible. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know... I'm serious.

Steve

YES! you are right. not once did i ever say i had each cabinet 100% of a certain effect. your assuming. quit that!

chorus effects are sent through a balanced output jack. you cant pan chorus in the g-major. but you can pan two separate delays on top of each other left and right advertantly. mono or not!

10xth time ill say this.. once should be enough? CLOOOSE ENOUGH FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

im not paying for another power amp and more cables just to make an effect on each cabinet.. fuck that? told ya a long time ago i couldnt care. but even before that i wouldnt have known that fact hadnt you told me in the first place what a true w/d/w setup is. but i still know what i did using the effects processor and delay settings to make it seem like the real thing.

was it the real thing? No. does it have the flexability of running a true w/d/w setup? No. i i simply said i had chorus and delay with delays panned hard left/right and it worked fine with the dry signal centered.

 

[Gainfreak]

No sweat Ralph....I tried those units back then and didnt like them at all. Might be good for a Boogie though...

My favorite unit was actually the Midiverb II, that kicked butt, presets only though.

 

[Anonymous]

YES! you are right. not once did i ever say i had each cabinet 100% of a certain effect. your assuming. quit that!

This is what you said:

we had chorus in one cab, delay in the other, a dry cab, 3 cabs total.

This, to me, says that the "chorus" cab did not have delay and the "delay" cab did not have chorus, which is saying that each cab had 100% of a certain effect and that is the only thing I've been saying isn't possible. What did you mean by this then?

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Steve,

You a friend of Joe's?

Nah... I wish - if I was I'd be taking lessons from him...

Steve

 

[Zachman]

YES! you are right. not once did i ever say i had each cabinet 100% of a certain effect. your assuming. quit that!

This is what you said:

we had chorus in one cab, delay in the other, a dry cab, 3 cabs total.

This, to me, says that the "chorus" cab did not have delay and the "delay" cab did not have chorus, which is saying that each cab had 100% of a certain effect and that is the only thing I've been saying isn't possible. What did you mean by this then?

Steve

Steve, we all know you're correct here. IF he wants to believe in his ignorance with religious zeal, let him. One day he'll try what you're talking about and realize just how far off the mark he REALLY is/was.

 

[Anonymous]

YES! you are right. not once did i ever say i had each cabinet 100% of a certain effect. your assuming. quit that!

This is what you said:

we had chorus in one cab, delay in the other, a dry cab, 3 cabs total.

This, to me, says that the "chorus" cab did not have delay and the "delay" cab did not have chorus, which is saying that each cab had 100% of a certain effect and that is the only thing I've been saying isn't possible. What did you mean by this then?

Steve

Steve, we all know you're correct here. IF he wants to believe in his ignorance with religious zeal, let him. One day he'll try what you're talking about and realize just how far off the mark he REALLY is/was.

I really MUST thank you for responding, man. I thought perhaps the laws of physics had been suspended and no one told me...

I just have a problem when someone tells me they did something that is physically not possible and then they insist on it, then they try to revise history saying they didn't say that, even though all you have to do is read the thread to see they did... The "panning" thing was driving me nuts too...

My fault... I got a PM telling me it would end up this way and I should have listened to the guy and stayed out of this... I honestly was just trying to help, but I got annoyed...

Steve

 

[Zachman]

A misunderstanding is one thing... I've had them and responded from a misunderstood POV (on my part), while trying to answer questions, but in this case- it appeared to me, to be a dude saying something that was not only incorrect, but he was getting a bit abrasive with you, and I know you were just trying to be helpful.

In my case, it's usually some noob, or analog/purist/anti-rack/pedal dude, who wants to argue about how all racks are 80's, or that a Memory man sounds just as good as a TC 2290 or something... and they've NEVER even seen a 2290 in person, let alone made any sort of A/B comparison. Ahhh... well, that's the difference I guess, between theory and real world understanding.

 

[Plexihacker]

My favorite unit was actually the Midiverb II, that kicked butt, presets only though.

I was going to say the same thing. I had a Quadraverb and hated it. It not only sucked tone, but programming the parameters of each patch seemed to affect the tone of other parameters w/i the same patch. I went crazy programming that thing trying to get a good, clean tone out of it.

Meanwhile, my lowly Midiverb II was very clean sounding and extremely easy to set up. I would use it to run two modified Marshall stacks in stereo and was actually impressive for a budget f/x unit. The downside of the Midiverb II is the lack of programability for the mix level of each patch. For instance, I liked a lot of the reverb patches with the mix at around 10:00-11:00 and the chorus/flanger patches sounded best at 2:00-3:00. So I mainly used it as a reverb/delay unit. Still have that unit and it's been 20 years now.

 

[FUZZboat]

still have mine "old-original owner" quadraverb & have to agree it pales in comparison to my PODXT for effects quality.

I used the quadra for my "cheap" bass/keyboard rig

 

[glpg80]

Steve, we all know you're correct here. IF he wants to believe in his ignorance with religious zeal, let him. One day he'll try what you're talking about and realize just how far off the mark he REALLY is/was.

i dont. i dont care too, and never will. im tired of arguing. i said what i did was close enough. there. 11 times now i have said it. was it a true 3-way setup no. it was not. i learned from this. i said this as well. i could only adjust delays. chorus was still mono. i said that i believe as well. if i didnt, i edited it out by accident.

go ahead. make me out to be big mean ugly unsmart and everything else because i havent been here for 11 years. but albeit what we had hooked up was close enough for my tastes. was it theoretically a true setup? nope. might as well had been a 2x12 combo compared to the way your knocking it down.

I really MUST thank you for responding, man. I thought perhaps the laws of physics had been suspended and no one told me...

I just have a problem when someone tells me they did something that is physically not possible and then they insist on it, then they try to revise history saying they didn't say that, even though all you have to do is read the thread to see they did... The "panning" thing was driving me nuts too...

My fault... I got a PM telling me it would end up this way and I should have listened to the guy and stayed out of this... I honestly was just trying to help, but I got annoyed...

Steve

no, i stand corrected. i TOLD you i learned what a real setup is from this. i not only said this, i also thanked you for the information, but you insisted what i was running was still nowhere close. which is where you stand wrong. it was close enough ill ever get because i just dont have that much gear.

as for re-writing history, i dont have a clue where you live. but it was reaching 5:45 am and i had still not had a drop of sleep. forgive me if staring at a monitor doing research on little endian big endian data storage in hex based memory locations dealing with command.com, IO.sys, and everything else that was due that night as well caused confusion.

and for the books, i have a problem when someone calls me out as a know it all first and foremost, before i had even said a word directed AT you. if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

it was all perfectly fine until you started telling me to proove you wrong on a matter where ( i had somewhere said?) you where wrong in your physical statistics based on a real setup. which is wrong. over 10 times i said i was close enough, meaning it was not the real deal and it wont be the same, but it was 3 cabinets and had effects with minor tweaks to cover up the realizations.

A misunderstanding is one thing... I've had them and responded from a misunderstood POV (on my part), while trying to answer questions, but in this case- it appeared to me, to be a dude saying something that was not only incorrect, but he was getting a bit abrasive with you, and I know you were just trying to be helpful.

In my case, it's usually some noob, or analog/purist/anti-rack/pedal dude, who wants to argue about how all racks are 80's, or that a Memory man sounds just as good as a TC 2290 or something... and they've NEVER even seen a 2290 in person, let alone made any sort of A/B comparison. Ahhh... well, that's the difference I guess, between theory and real world understanding.

again, read the entire conversation before making assumptions. if you cant take it, dont dish it. im all for taking up for the true physical standpoint which i had learned about before hand in this topic discussion earlier on. i was not arguing the point i had setup a perfect example breaking laws of physics and making pigs fly. i was arguing i had something close enough to my ears, which steve said he did not care about and called it 100% wrong.

what percentage is close enough.. i dont know im gonna take a wild guess and point at 88.9%.

and zach, your speaking in 3rd party about some noob is taken as a harsh direct comment on my part. id suggest stfu. this topic was actually, and still will be after i post this, a question about rack gear so i can gain knowledge about something that i am unclear or unfamilliar with.

My favorite unit was actually the Midiverb II, that kicked butt, presets only though.

I was going to say the same thing. I had a Quadraverb and hated it. It not only sucked tone, but programming the parameters of each patch seemed to affect the tone of other parameters w/i the same patch. I went crazy programming that thing trying to get a good, clean tone out of it.

Meanwhile, my lowly Midiverb II was very clean sounding and extremely easy to set up. I would use it to run two modified Marshall stacks in stereo and was actually impressive for a budget f/x unit. The downside of the Midiverb II is the lack of programability for the mix level of each patch. For instance, I liked a lot of the reverb patches with the mix at around 10:00-11:00 and the chorus/flanger patches sounded best at 2:00-3:00. So I mainly used it as a reverb/delay unit. Still have that unit and it's been 20 years now.

thanks for the opinions! =] it seems many people have agreed that the quad is definately outdated. its definately not analog, so i guess a line 6 rack mounted POD like mike's or an intellifex is the way to go. POD being if money was of no concern of course

still have mine "old-original owner" quadraverb & have to agree it pales in comparison to my PODXT for effects quality.

I used the quadra for my "cheap" bass/keyboard rig

aother tally for a no-go on the quad. thanks for your input!







as for everyone else i personally want to applogize. topic continued for any other opinons, i believe the intellifex or POD is where im at with this now, but if anyone has any comparison with the g-major vs the intellifex i would be more than happy to hear.

-matt

 

[bill]

Should I not like my Deluxe Mem Man?

 

[glpg80]

Should I not like my Deluxe Mem Man?

i literally laughed out loud when i read that

 

[Anonymous]

no, i stand corrected. i TOLD you i learned what a real setup is from this. i not only said this, i also thanked you for the information, but you insisted what i was running was still nowhere close. which is where you stand wrong. it was close enough ill ever get because i just dont have that much gear.

as for re-writing history, i dont have a clue where you live. but it was reaching 5:45 am and i had still not had a drop of sleep. forgive me if staring at a monitor doing research on little endian big endian data storage in hex based memory locations dealing with command.com, IO.sys, and everything else that was due that night as well caused confusion.

and for the books, i have a problem when someone calls me out as a know it all first and foremost, before i had even said a word directed AT you. if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

it was all perfectly fine until you started telling me to proove you wrong on a matter where ( i had somewhere said?) you where wrong in your physical statistics based on a real setup. which is wrong. over 10 times i said i was close enough, meaning it was not the real deal and it wont be the same, but it was 3 cabinets and had effects with minor tweaks to cover up the realizations.

again, read the entire conversation before making assumptions. if you cant take it, dont dish it. im all for taking up for the true physical standpoint which i had learned about before hand in this topic discussion earlier on. i was not arguing the point i had setup a perfect example breaking laws of physics and making pigs fly. i was arguing i had something close enough to my ears, which steve said he did not care about and called it 100% wrong.

what percentage is close enough.. i dont know im gonna take a wild guess and point at 88.9%.

and zach, your speaking in 3rd party about some noob is taken as a harsh direct comment on my part. id suggest stfu. this topic was actually, and still will be after i post this, a question about rack gear so i can gain knowledge about something that i am unclear or unfamilliar with.

1) What did you mean by this: "we had chorus in one cab, delay in the other, a dry cab, 3 cabs total." which you said at around 6PM California time. No matter where you are (if you are in the US) it was nowhere near 5:45AM after an all nighter... Why do you keep avoiding telling me what you meant by this? I suspect 'cause you're embarrassed that you were spouting off and had no idea what you were talking about. BTW - you also said something about delays panning from one cabinet to another, which is also impossible in the setup you described, so it isn't just one thing you said at one time that was ridiculous...

2) This is what I was saying you were 100% wrong about and you were 100% wrong about it.

3) You kept spewing nonsense about panning etc. trying to make it seem like you knew what you were talking about when you didn't. I hate that.

4) Someone has to call someone else out first. All I said was you were acting like a know it all and not listening to what I was saying. You resorted to Internet Tough Guy obscenity, which is the sign of a tiny mind. I never did.

5) You've had to backpedal this whole discussion post after post when you realized you were wrong and you've still never answered qestion 1. Now you were up all night and too delirious to know what you were saying. Please...

6) You keep on spewing useless nonsense about how you told me ten times that what you did was "close enough" when that was never the issue and I never said it wasn't "close enough". In fact earlier before you started becoming a total dick about this I said I was sure it sounded great.

7) I'm done with you on this topic. Post whatever drivel you want, I don't care. You really know and everyone else really knows what really happened here...

8) I hope we can be friends here in the future! I truly hold no grudges, just don't try to bullshit me when you don't really know what you are saying. Of course, I cannot control how you behave...

Steve

 

[glpg80]

no, i stand corrected. i TOLD you i learned what a real setup is from this. i not only said this, i also thanked you for the information, but you insisted what i was running was still nowhere close. which is where you stand wrong. it was close enough ill ever get because i just dont have that much gear.

as for re-writing history, i dont have a clue where you live. but it was reaching 5:45 am and i had still not had a drop of sleep. forgive me if staring at a monitor doing research on little endian big endian data storage in hex based memory locations dealing with command.com, IO.sys, and everything else that was due that night as well caused confusion.

and for the books, i have a problem when someone calls me out as a know it all first and foremost, before i had even said a word directed AT you. if you cant take it, dont dish it out.

it was all perfectly fine until you started telling me to proove you wrong on a matter where ( i had somewhere said?) you where wrong in your physical statistics based on a real setup. which is wrong. over 10 times i said i was close enough, meaning it was not the real deal and it wont be the same, but it was 3 cabinets and had effects with minor tweaks to cover up the realizations.

again, read the entire conversation before making assumptions. if you cant take it, dont dish it. im all for taking up for the true physical standpoint which i had learned about before hand in this topic discussion earlier on. i was not arguing the point i had setup a perfect example breaking laws of physics and making pigs fly. i was arguing i had something close enough to my ears, which steve said he did not care about and called it 100% wrong.

what percentage is close enough.. i dont know im gonna take a wild guess and point at 88.9%.

and zach, your speaking in 3rd party about some noob is taken as a harsh direct comment on my part. id suggest stfu. this topic was actually, and still will be after i post this, a question about rack gear so i can gain knowledge about something that i am unclear or unfamilliar with.

1) What did you mean by this: "we had chorus in one cab, delay in the other, a dry cab, 3 cabs total." which you said at around 6PM California time. No matter where you are (if you are in the US) it was nowhere near 5:45AM after an all nighter... Why do you keep avoiding telling me what you meant by this? I suspect 'cause you're embarrassed that you were spouting off and had no idea what you were talking about. BTW - you also said something about delays panning from one cabinet to another, which is also impossible in the setup you described, so it isn't just one thing you said at one time that was ridiculous...

2) This is what I was saying you were 100% wrong about and you were 100% wrong about it.

3) You kept spewing nonsense about panning etc. trying to make it seem like you knew what you were talking about when you didn't. I hate that.

4) Someone has to call someone else out first. All I said was you were acting like a know it all and not listening to what I was saying. You resorted to Internet Tough Guy obscenity, which is the sign of a tiny mind. I never did.

5) You've had to backpedal this whole discussion post after post when you realized you were wrong and you've still never answered qestion 1. Now you were up all night and too delirious to know what you were saying. Please...

6) You keep on spewing useless nonsense about how you told me ten times that what you did was "close enough" when that was never the issue and I never said it wasn't "close enough". In fact earlier before you started becoming a total dick about this I said I was sure it sounded great.

7) I'm done with you on this topic. Post whatever drivel you want, I don't care. You really know and everyone else really knows what really happened here...

8) I hope we can be friends here in the future! I truly hold no grudges, just don't try to bullshit me when you don't really know what you are saying. Of course, I cannot control how you behave...

Steve

1) its what i did. its what i heard. its the fucking truth so help me God. do it for yourself.

2) this is the internet. proove me wrong. get the gear. hook it up the way i said.

3) its what i did. get the owners manual for yourself and look it up.

4) if i wasnt listening to you then why would i thank you for the knowledge in the first place.. crunch on that sentence.

5) proof i was doing homework - check war admirals topic about a new job and i said i just started the fucking class 2 days ago from today. in NC i no joke went to fucking bed at 5:40am after reading this nonsense because i had class at 7:50am. take your dick fucking smiley and shove it.

6) you dont understand close enough. your too busy arguing a point that doesnt exist. i said i understood what you said about w/d/w and i said it was close, and ill take what i learned and leave it at that. yet YOU STILL.. DONT.. LISTEN.

7) glad you feel you got the whole fucking forum on your back. i knew i wasnt welcome here from the start. shit's always too good to be true.

8) friends? dude i said it once, ill say it again. fuck you. this isnt a friendship or no-where near. friendships are built off of truth and respect, nothing you know about in the first place since you dont believe a single fucking word i say.

im off and out of this forum. at least ill get somewhere typing lab reports instead of arguing with a dickhead too arrogant about his post count.

 

[jcj]

Soooo.......intellifex then? Good choice

 

[Zachman]

Steve, we all know you're correct here. IF he wants to believe in his ignorance with religious zeal, let him. One day he'll try what you're talking about and realize just how far off the mark he REALLY is/was.

i dont. i dont care too, and never will. im tired of arguing. i said what i did was close enough. there. 11 times now i have said it. was it a true 3-way setup no. it was not. i learned from this. i said this as well. i could only adjust delays. chorus was still mono. i said that i believe as well. if i didnt, i edited it out by accident.

go ahead. make me out to be big mean ugly unsmart and everything else because i havent been here for 11 years. but albeit what we had hooked up was close enough for my tastes. was it theoretically a true setup? nope. might as well had been a 2x12 combo compared to the way your knocking it down.

I'm not making you out to be anything. You are making yourself out to look like you're FOS, and backpedaling quite a bit though.

A misunderstanding is one thing... I've had them and responded from a misunderstood POV (on my part), while trying to answer questions, but in this case- it appeared to me, to be a dude saying something that was not only incorrect, but he was getting a bit abrasive with you, and I know you were just trying to be helpful.

In my case, it's usually some noob, or analog/purist/anti-rack/pedal dude, who wants to argue about how all racks are 80's, or that a Memory man sounds just as good as a TC 2290 or something... and they've NEVER even seen a 2290 in person, let alone made any sort of A/B comparison. Ahhh... well, that's the difference I guess, between theory and real world understanding.

and zach, your speaking in 3rd party about some noob is taken as a harsh direct comment on my part. id suggest stfu. this topic was actually, and still will be after i post this, a question about rack gear so i can gain knowledge about something that i am unclear or unfamilliar with.

If you are interested in learning something, how about listening to the guys here who can teach you something, instead of swearing and telling us to STFU. Steve and I are in a unique position to be able to speak with some authority on how W/D/W rigs are run.

Here's a video of Bob Bradshaw describing how he setup my rig: Watch, listen and maybe you'll learn something. Always happy to help a guy who's interested in learning, but if you think you're motivating anyone to "help" you by acting like a prick, you're sorely mistaken. I'm willing to let this go. I suggest you do the same, that way- the next time you need help with this type of stuff you have a friend, not someone who is likely to tell you to find a high bridge and take a flying leap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdHwhMzJbeo