nighttrain69
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cause no no one would by the oil if they knew it was only oil 
charge more its better 
charge more its better 
MARK1970
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When I switched to JazzIIIs I improved my picking. I have way more control. I do agree one can overcome with technique, but Jazz IIIs make things easier. I do not believe Red Bears are snake oil, but for me personally, I would lose it in a couple of days. I would love to try one out, but for now, I will stick with my Ultex Jazz IIIs.
nighttrain69
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i actually bought 3 different sizes to see if they were better than standard picks...ive come to really like the dunlop ultex clear jel.
i did notice a difference in tone ,it was nicer ,not picky if that makes sense, i however did not think they made me play any better or glide across the strings any easier,if anything i could play faster with the dunlop ultex..
are they worth it for the tone purist with deeeep pockets ...yes...
are they worth it for the working man...imo no.
they do come with a kit that enables you to buff and file the edges of your pick to keep it new feeling, thats a nice plus
worth 25 bucks you decide
i did notice a difference in tone ,it was nicer ,not picky if that makes sense, i however did not think they made me play any better or glide across the strings any easier,if anything i could play faster with the dunlop ultex..
are they worth it for the tone purist with deeeep pockets ...yes...
are they worth it for the working man...imo no.
they do come with a kit that enables you to buff and file the edges of your pick to keep it new feeling, thats a nice plus
worth 25 bucks you decide
guitarslinger
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Ventura":y7oi0dj5 said:My beef with a $20 or $25 pick is not that it's not worth it, hell, if it makes you a better player, it's actually priceless. But how can the manufacturer justify such a cost?? Are they handmade in small batches only on a full moon, in some enchanted forest of Estonia or Egypt by craftsmen who've been passed the skill of 'magical plectrum creation' through centuries of closed familial lineage??
Or has there been a die cast, readily available stock materials go into this die, thousands of these little things come out at the other end, they get put into a package, and a sticker price of $25 per pick gets slapped on 'em, and they're viewable only behind glass at all the boutique stores?
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Eastern Europe and Northern Africa have fairly reasonable labor rates.
It has to be the full moon thing.
Ventura
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guitarslinger":2tlheera said:Ventura":2tlheera said:My beef with a $20 or $25 pick is not that it's not worth it, hell, if it makes you a better player, it's actually priceless. But how can the manufacturer justify such a cost?? Are they handmade in small batches only on a full moon, in some enchanted forest of Estonia or Egypt by craftsmen who've been passed the skill of 'magical plectrum creation' through centuries of closed familial lineage??
Or has there been a die cast, readily available stock materials go into this die, thousands of these little things come out at the other end, they get put into a package, and a sticker price of $25 per pick gets slapped on 'em, and they're viewable only behind glass at all the boutique stores?
Eastern Europe and Northern Africa have fairly reasonable labor rates.
It has to be the full moon thing.
And the sacrificial burning of a rare poisonous newt upon the creation of every 7 perfect plectrums just prior to their packaging.
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rupe
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ttosh
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donbarzini":1vvnzxxx said:
glip22
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vultures
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I used this pick for the better part of 2 years, it was free from GC when they used to leave them hanging around. Finally broke on my last month, son of a bitch.
Qweklain
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As has been said a few times, buying a spendy pick is no different than many on here who buy and sell 30 guitars and amps a year or more. We all want that ideal tone and feel for us, and some of you, to copy your favorite artist(s).
Personally, I never was fully comfortable with the attack and flex of standard picks, then I went to V-Picks and I have probably spent over $100-150 trying almost every pick in every size. I now use the Snake ($10 each) and am completely happy with them, but they are $10 each, however they give me comfort and fit my picking style perfectly, so to me, they are priceless.
If the Red Bear pick helps Superunknown achieve extra comfort, confidence, and idealism from his playing, then $25 is shit compared to the thousands many spend on guitars, amps, cables, and whatever else.
What works for one may not work for another, but if it makes you that much better or strive to achieve it, a modest price is nothing for that feeling.
Personally, I never was fully comfortable with the attack and flex of standard picks, then I went to V-Picks and I have probably spent over $100-150 trying almost every pick in every size. I now use the Snake ($10 each) and am completely happy with them, but they are $10 each, however they give me comfort and fit my picking style perfectly, so to me, they are priceless.
If the Red Bear pick helps Superunknown achieve extra comfort, confidence, and idealism from his playing, then $25 is shit compared to the thousands many spend on guitars, amps, cables, and whatever else.
What works for one may not work for another, but if it makes you that much better or strive to achieve it, a modest price is nothing for that feeling.
shreder75
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$20..for one pick...that's one...as in less than two...as in singular....
ereehhhh, I think I'll pass on that one =)
ereehhhh, I think I'll pass on that one =)
Vrad
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Shit... I thought my Cool picks for $1 a pop were extravagant!
glassjaw7
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I hear ya Matt. I'd be happy with my old beat up Fender Hot Rod combo I used to own and a few pedals. And FWIW I still use Dunlop picks too (JazzIII's) I switch back and forth between a few different brands. I'm just saying that it's funny hearing people on these forums complain about dropping $20 on a pick (which will improve their tone), the same people who spend 8 grand on a new Suhr and a Fortin or whatever, when a Carvin axe and an Egnater Renegade or a Ceriatone Chupa would get them 90% of the same results.glpg80":2ybmq7h3 said:glassjaw7":2ybmq7h3 said:I got slammed for recommending em here. " $20 a pick?! You gotta be kidding me!"
This coming from a bunch of tones snobs who buy amps and guitars for several thousand dollars a pop. Why spend all the money on cables, switching systems, guitar, amp and then be a cheap-skate when it comes to your picks?
They're by far the best sounding and feeling picks I've used, so they're well worth it in my opinion. Just don't lose them.
because guy's who are successful dont NEED a $25 pick - the same as why Telephant can rip the fretboard to shreds and walk all over me with a 100W marshall and do it left handed while singing.
no pick is going to help me there. no gear is going to help me there either.
personal opinion is personal opinion - if they work for you great! but at $25 a pick - its snake oil. when then come down to 70 cents on the dollar, ill give it a try. otherwise ill be practicing technique with dunlops
Do I think these picks are overpriced? Hell yes! (seriously they should be no more than 5 bucks) I was just saying that they are top notch and when I use them I play and sound better, that's all. And it's just a bit ironic and funny to me that some people will spend so much on one factor in the tone chain, but not on others.
A different way to look at it is this: It's $20 that will improve your tone. Simple as that. It's like spending the extra 20 on a better cable or boost or whatever. Who cares what it it? If it improves your tone, then it is worth it, no?
glpg80
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glassjaw7":39hwdz27 said:I hear ya Matt. I'd be happy with my old beat up Fender Hot Rod combo I used to own and a few pedals. And FWIW I still use Dunlop picks too (JazzIII's) I switch back and forth between a few different brands. I'm just saying that it's funny hearing people on these forums complain about dropping $20 on a pick (which will improve their tone), the same people who spend 8 grand on a new Suhr and a Fortin or whatever, when a Carvin axe and an Egnater Renegade or a Ceriatone Chupa would get them 90% of the same results.glpg80":39hwdz27 said:glassjaw7":39hwdz27 said:I got slammed for recommending em here. " $20 a pick?! You gotta be kidding me!"
This coming from a bunch of tones snobs who buy amps and guitars for several thousand dollars a pop. Why spend all the money on cables, switching systems, guitar, amp and then be a cheap-skate when it comes to your picks?
They're by far the best sounding and feeling picks I've used, so they're well worth it in my opinion. Just don't lose them.
because guy's who are successful dont NEED a $25 pick - the same as why Telephant can rip the fretboard to shreds and walk all over me with a 100W marshall and do it left handed while singing.
no pick is going to help me there. no gear is going to help me there either.
personal opinion is personal opinion - if they work for you great! but at $25 a pick - its snake oil. when then come down to 70 cents on the dollar, ill give it a try. otherwise ill be practicing technique with dunlops
Do I think these picks are overpriced? Hell yes! (seriously they should be no more than 5 bucks) I was just saying that they are top notch and when I use them I play and sound better, that's all. And it's just a bit ironic and funny to me that some people will spend so much on one factor in the tone chain, but not on others.
i will agree that different tips, different thicknesses, and different compositions do make a difference. a difference in longevity, a difference in attack (metal picks for example) a difference in alternate smoothness, etc.
more money does not mean it is better, only different. this goes for anything gear related. you have to do research to make sure it is worth the investment and use your own personal judgement.
with that being said, $25 for a pick is snake oil. not saying picks dont matter, but they dont matter that much - technique can offer more variances in tone just by how you hold it and make up for the difference 10 fold.
glassjaw7
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They are overpriced for sure. I've only purchased one awhile ago, because I'm not exactly rolling in the dough at the moment. Times are tough indeed, and for me right now, spending any amount of $ on gear of any kind is difficult. I just wanted to try the Red Bears last year and I figured, why not? So I did and they're really nice!glpg80":3gsqsfdm said:glassjaw7":3gsqsfdm said:I hear ya Matt. I'd be happy with my old beat up Fender Hot Rod combo I used to own and a few pedals. And FWIW I still use Dunlop picks too (JazzIII's) I switch back and forth between a few different brands. I'm just saying that it's funny hearing people on these forums complain about dropping $20 on a pick (which will improve their tone), the same people who spend 8 grand on a new Suhr and a Fortin or whatever, when a Carvin axe and an Egnater Renegade or a Ceriatone Chupa would get them 90% of the same results.glpg80":3gsqsfdm said:glassjaw7":3gsqsfdm said:I got slammed for recommending em here. " $20 a pick?! You gotta be kidding me!"
This coming from a bunch of tones snobs who buy amps and guitars for several thousand dollars a pop. Why spend all the money on cables, switching systems, guitar, amp and then be a cheap-skate when it comes to your picks?
They're by far the best sounding and feeling picks I've used, so they're well worth it in my opinion. Just don't lose them.
because guy's who are successful dont NEED a $25 pick - the same as why Telephant can rip the fretboard to shreds and walk all over me with a 100W marshall and do it left handed while singing.
no pick is going to help me there. no gear is going to help me there either.
personal opinion is personal opinion - if they work for you great! but at $25 a pick - its snake oil. when then come down to 70 cents on the dollar, ill give it a try. otherwise ill be practicing technique with dunlops
Do I think these picks are overpriced? Hell yes! (seriously they should be no more than 5 bucks) I was just saying that they are top notch and when I use them I play and sound better, that's all. And it's just a bit ironic and funny to me that some people will spend so much on one factor in the tone chain, but not on others.
i will agree that different tips, different thicknesses, and different compositions do make a difference. a difference in longevity, a difference in attack (metal picks for example) a difference in alternate smoothness, etc.
but $25 is stupid - you can only get so much out of it before you are paying into snake oil and thats all i believe. not saying picks dont matter, but they dont matter that much - technique can offer more variances in tone just by how you hold it and make up for the difference 10 fold.
money is time and time is money - some have got more than others - each always wants what the other has. ive got the time to learn technique methods but you wont see me spending $25 on a pick when i see no reason as to why
I know what you mean though about paying into snake oil at some point...like I will spend up to $40 or so on a quality cable, but when it gets into the 100 dollar range it's just getting a bit ridiculous. Do those cables sound a bit better than my $40 one? I"m sure they do, but everyone has a limit on what they will buy and how much they will put into a certain piece of gear.
technomancer
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I considered buying one, but honestly I'm more than comfortable with the Ultex Jazz IIIs.
That and this sort of turned me off:
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-e ... picks.html
Basically their marketing all says the pics don't wear, JJ had one wear on him after 2 months, and their response was pretty much, "Well yeah that's just marketing we don't really guarantee anything." Yeah, pass.
That and this sort of turned me off:
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-e ... picks.html
Basically their marketing all says the pics don't wear, JJ had one wear on him after 2 months, and their response was pretty much, "Well yeah that's just marketing we don't really guarantee anything." Yeah, pass.
glassjaw7
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I'm not worried about wearing my picks down. I still have picks from 15 years ago that are hardly worn.
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I just want to know what this "Picking Technique" ya'll are talking about is and where can I get some??
technomancer
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glassjaw7":2s0g3ut9 said:I'm not worried about wearing my picks down. I still have picks from 15 years ago that are hardly worn.
Yeah I'm not worried about wearing one out, it's more that they make all these claims about no wear, then suddenly when someone had their pick wear down the company's response was oh sorry, that's just marketing. Not cool IMHO
