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[theclev]

Sure dude more facepalm worthy post...... From regular TGP members like you..... Coming in for your Amazon/SweetWater loving buddy 311 in my Original thread..... You know the one he stickied on his OP


Pretty lame guys..... Pretty lame. Remember this one when dude dragged his own family as a shield into an argument and I had to apologize over insults I never made to his family as I'm not that type of guy...... Classic stuff guys, just classic



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The question was, how am I all of a sudden an Amazon or Sweetwater guy? I have never posted anything positive about Sweetwater here, and I've never posted anything about Amazon at all before this conversation.

I did defend Fort Wayne from your ridiculous, unwarranted attacks because I like the town. Calling an entire town of nearly 300,000 people a third world country because you don't like one business there is way too broad a brush. But it does line up with the inexplicable prejudice you've repeatedly shown here against anyone from Northeast or Midwest America.

Oh, and I might add that you're still a fucking quack, because it still applies.

 

[The~Kid]

The question was, how am I all of a sudden an Amazon or Sweetwater guy? I have never posted anything positive about Sweetwater here, and I've never posted anything about Amazon at all before this conversation.

I did defend Fort Wayne from your ridiculous, unwarranted attacks because I like the town. Calling an entire town of nearly 300,000 people a third world country because you don't like one business there is way too broad a brush. But it does line up with the inexplicable prejudice you've repeatedly shown here against anyone from Northeast or Midwest America.

Oh, and I might add that you're still a fucking quack, because it still applies.

Fair points...... But aside from other stuff don't I don't got time for........

Youre still a TGP lover though

 

[Robostyle]

 

[The~Kid]

Anyways back on topic in thread hope Brother Von is well and sound as he's been gone for a while.


And prayers sent to Brother Von and other RT members MIA with or without us here still

 

[Robostyle]

 

[Monkey Man]

I know I said I would leave it as is, but one last thing because no one will see his original response. Kid edited his post above several times. The first couple iterations were fly off the handle bad. I can only assume he edited them trying to save face before anyone noticed.

Could be, but I do know that a substantial proportion of his editing is due to dyslexia.

I'm going to have to disagree. It sounds like you're grasping at straws to make an excuse for Kid.

Absolutely not:

You made several points and I said twice that I agreed with them, and I'll say it again now - I agree!

The comment about nobody's being able to know exactly how much effort someone is making at changing him / herself is IMHO an indisputable fact. IOW, efforts can be made but no results seen; this is possible in the cases of peeps who're basically-inept at improving themselves. If nothing else, it's a theoretical possibility.

The succinct version:
My observation was a forensic one. Unimportant at best, but as I framed it, I agreed with your entire post and simply nit-picked a possible assumptive "anomaly". Your reasoning was of course 100%-sound IMHO and that's the important thing.

Only one explanation… @The~Kid is @Monkey Man’s alt.

Non-Sequitur. See above.

Funny 'though.

 

[dcburn mk.ii]

Could be, but I do know that a substantial proportion of his editing is due to dyslexia.


Absolutely not:

You made several points and I said twice that I agreed with them, and I'll say it again now - I agree!

The comment about nobody's being able to know exactly how much effort someone is making at changing him / herself is IMHO an indisputable fact. IOW, efforts can be made but no results seen; this is possible in the cases of peeps who're basically-inept at improving themselves. If nothing else, it's a theoretical possibility.

The succinct version:
My observation was a forensic one. Unimportant at best, but as I framed it, I agreed with your entire post and simply nit-picked a possible assumptive "anomaly". Your reasoning was of course 100%-sound IMHO and that's the important thing.


Non-Sequitur. See above.

Funny 'though.

I was just The-Kidding around

 

[Monkey Man]

The comment about nobody's being able to know exactly how much effort someone is making at changing him / herself is IMHO an indisputable fact. IOW, efforts can be made but no results seen; this is possible in the cases of peeps who're basically-inept at improving themselves. If nothing else, it's a theoretical possibility.

Thought I might expand on this in case anyone thinks I was delusional:

A couple o' real-world examples:

How many guitarists plateau 6 months to 2 years after taking up the instrument? I'm guessing millions. Is this because they don't practice? In most cases, no. Experts would argue that it's 'cause they're "not doing it right" and that's a fair point, but regardless, anyone who says that they're obviously not practicing 'cause he or she isn't seeing any improvement would be 100%-wrong.

In sports, peeps plateau as well. It's not because they're not training; they may be doing so harder-the-ever. The fool says that they're obviously not training anymore. The expert says that they ought try different approaches.

Many peeps who "talk too much" have great difficulty regulating this behaviour. They focus a lot of energy into preparing their mindsets for their next opportunity to prove that they don't talk too-much. When the situation arises, they appear to be abnormally-quiet initially and then at some point the floodgates open. What's happening here is that they're nervously holding their tongues until they allow themselves to say something and viola, the energy leak becomes a flood again. The harder they try, the more-nervous they become when interacting, providing a feedback loop that makes the issue ever-more-difficult to get on top of. Anyone who says they're "obviously making no effort" doesn't understand this dynamic, but it's oh-so-real.

Based on these examples alone one can see that in both the physical and psychological realms, efforts at self-improvement can yield few if any externally-visible results.

IMHO impulsive behaviour falls into this area. Deleting a lot of posts shortly after one submits them is a classic indicator. Apologising a lot is another one, and who of us hasn't encountered an individual who apologises "too-much"?. Impulsiveness leads to hasty / poor decision-making, which in turn leads to one's feeling bad and henceforth apologising.

Rant over. I'm a keen observer of nature and behaviour is all; I was just born this way.

 

[Monkey Man]

I'll add for clarity and as a reminder to Brother MAAH that the observation I made re claiming to be able to know for-sure whether or not someone's making any effort or not was simply a "side observation" and a nit pick; it had no bearing on the subject at-hand and was, again, just a matter-of-fact tidbit I couldn't resist mentioning at the time.

 

[Robostyle]

Thought I might expand on this in case anyone thinks I was delusional:

A couple o' real-world examples:

How many guitarists plateau 6 months to 2 years after taking up the instrument? I'm guessing millions. Is this because they don't practice? In most cases, no. Experts would argue that it's 'cause they're "not doing it right" and that's a fair point, but regardless, anyone who says that they're obviously not practicing 'cause he or she isn't seeing any improvement would be 100%-wrong.

In sports, peeps plateau as well. It's not because they're not training; they may be doing so harder-the-ever. The fool says that they're obviously not training anymore. The expert says that they ought try different approaches.

Many peeps who "talk too much" have great difficulty regulating this behaviour. They focus a lot of energy into preparing their mindsets for their next opportunity to prove that they don't talk too-much. When the situation arises, they appear to be abnormally-quiet initially and then at some point the floodgates open. What's happening here is that they're nervously holding their tongues until they allow themselves to say something and viola, the energy leak becomes a flood again. The harder they try, the more-nervous they become when interacting, providing a feedback loop that makes the issue ever-more-difficult to get on top of. Anyone who says they're "obviously making no effort" doesn't understand this dynamic, but it's oh-so-real.

Based on these examples alone one can see that in both the physical and psychological realms, efforts at self-improvement can yield few if any externally-visible results.

IMHO impulsive behaviour falls into this area. Deleting a lot of posts shortly after one submits them is a classic indicator. Apologising a lot is another one, and who of us hasn't encountered an individual who apologises "too-much"?. Impulsiveness leads to hasty / poor decision-making, which in turn leads to one's feeling bad and henceforth apologising.

Rant over. I'm a keen observer of nature and behaviour is all; I was just born this way.

Which part of this explains the kid's behavior?

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I'll add for clarity and as a reminder to Brother MAAH that the observation I made re claiming to be able to know for-sure whether or not someone's making any effort or not was simply a "side observation" and a nit pick; it had no bearing on the subject at-hand and was, again, just a matter-of-fact tidbit I couldn't resist mentioning at the time.

I disagree with your comparisons and can make a retort, but as I said I don't want to derail the MIA thread any further with this subject. Maybe I'll PM you later if I feel up to typing a full response. I think we understand each other's point of view though, so I'm content to leave it at that.

 

[Monkey Man]

I disagree with your comparisons and can make a retort, but as I said I don't want to derail the MIA thread any further with this subject. Maybe I'll PM you later if I feel up to typing a full response. I think we understand each other's point of view though, so I'm content to leave it at that.

I've run out of different ways to say it. I made no comparisons.

The observation was unrelated to The~Kid.

Which part of this explains the kid's behavior?

I'm guessing none of it 'cause as I repeatedly said, I was talking about a phenomenon where peeps make assumptions about others' efforts based upon visible results, nothing more.

I saw that classic assumption being used and figured I'd point out the fact that it isn't always a reliable go-to.

I don't understand why this seems to be a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Monkey Man]

I mean, the alternative would've been to create a separate thread in order to share this somewhat-trivial phenomenon.

I trusted that you guys would be able to separate A from B. I'm not emotionally-invested but am sometimes judged to be so. Not much I can do about that.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I've run out of different ways to say it. I made no comparisons.

The observation was unrelated to The~Kid.

For the record the retort I would have posted would have had nothing to do with The-Kid. That's why I quoted your second shorter post and not the longer one. It dealt with noticing effort by seeing improvement in other areas.

I will note that I probably defaulted to using the word comparisons because of the last paragraph of your longer post. It's probably why @Robostyle assumed your post was about The-Kid as well. Impulse control, deleting posts, and apologizing too much is the behavior we've seen from The-Kid in many of his posts, including in this thread. Given the discussion at hand, that last paragraph seemed to be a direct reference to him/his behavior. It made your entire post look like all the examples were direct comparisons to Kid not showing effort. Not saying that's what you were doing, I know it's not. Just showing how it could have been interpreted that way and lead to misunderstanding on both sides.

I mean, the alternative would've been to create a separate thread in order to share this somewhat-trivial phenomenon.

I trusted that you guys would be able to separate A from B. I'm not emotionally-invested but am sometimes judged to be so. Not much I can do about that.

I'm not sure how to take this. It somewhat insinuates we don't have the ability to separate ideas which is kind of insulting. And I'm not sure if you were also insinuating we're judging you to be emotionally invested. Since it's you and there was a bit of a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of our previous posts, I'm going with you didn't really mean anything by it.



Anyway, since it's gone this deep I want to go ahead and circle back to your examples and put out my retort. The basic premise is that you can still see effort being put into change/improvement even without seeing direct results. You see them indirectly by improvements in other related areas.

For the guitarist plateau example: Like you said I think everyone learning any instrument hits a plateau and doesn't show improvement no mater how much effort they put into practicing. But you can still see improvement in the related areas. I'll use my own personal experience since I hit a few plateaus in my playing. The first one I hit was doing triplets, alternate picking and chugging. Even though it took a while to show improvement in that specific area, due to practicing those skills, my strumming and chording became noticeably stronger. The next plateau I hit; and still suck at it 30 years later, is leads and solos. In all the effort I've put in, my fingers still don't want to work right for that. But that same effort strengthened my rhythm playing for doing harmonies under a lead part. Think Metallica The 4 Horseman rhythm sections. My fingers were able to move better for those sections even though I focused my efforts on solos and didn't improve there.

Sports can be the same way. I'm not a sportsball person so I don't have any personal examples. One example off the top of my head is a basketball player who can't hit 3 pointers to save their life. Even though it's not direct practice for shorter shots, continual practice of 3 pointers could strengthen the layup shots even if long shots don't show improvement. Another example of golf. Practicing long drives may not yield improvement for that but may improve the medium length fairway shots. So, you may not see the improvement in the specific area, but you can still notice the effort by improvement other areas as an indirect result.

The talk too much example has observations of effort right in the example itself. The why you phrased things it implies that before any effort was made the floodgates of talking opened immediately. The effort put into controlling that is seen by them being quiet for a time before those floodgates open. While not fully successful it's clear that efforts had been made.

I'll go with one more personal example stemming from you mentioning dyslexia. I'm not full on dyslexic, but enough that it's more than just an inconvenience. I had to develop coping mechanisms myself and I still struggle at times to not transpose letters, numbers and and such. If you just focused on the dyslexia it may appear I'm not even trying to make improvements. But several things made great leaps that were noticed. From having to focus on what I was writing my attention to details made noticeable improvement. It also made it easier for me to take in little details and put them together to form a broad picture without losing focus on the minor things. And this is not just in writing but most areas of my life. The other improvement; because I reread what I wrote several times over making sure there were no dyslexic mistakes my professional writing skills made a big noticeable jump. That also improved my proofreading and ability to catch more grammatical mistakes in writing. My efforts focused on the dyslexia but other areas developed as an indirect result which people noticed.

All of that to say if you pay attention to the whole as well as the detail you can easily see effort being put into a specific area even if said efforts don't yield results where you would expect.

 

[Monkey Man]

What a beautiful post bro'.

Indeed, those are great examples of improvements in other areas' being evidence of effort.

My contribution unashamedly focussed on peeps' making judgements based on "problem issues" alone. A more-holistic examination should always reveal some sort of evidence to the contrary IMHO, so agreed 100%.

Fair observation about the last paragraph too. When I wrote it I considered swapping the order so that it was the first of the 3 examples, not the last, but just as I'd done previously, I trusted that you guys would view it in the context of the "side discussion" alone.

Yeah no, of course I meant no disrespect; I never do and thank you for again assuming the best. I appreciate that brother. Remember, and I may be at-fault for this approach, but I try to take the casual reader's possible interpretations into account as well, hence the sometimes-patronising tactic of stating the obvious.

Thank you again for the fantastic post. I admire the way you think bro'.

 

[NoHassle]

Where's @Robostyle as we haven't seen him since Tuesday?

Unlike him to be MIA for this long.

 

[IndyWS6]

Do people actually check the “last logon” info for others? It’s been three days… Missing Person Report time?

 

[JDs Couch]

Do people actually check the “last logon” info for others? It’s been three days… Missing Person Report time?

@NoHassle misses his boyfriend...

 

[NoHassle]

@NoHassle misses his boyfriend...

Yeah like you'd never miss a chance for another poke in your ass from us REAL warriors!

One less poke for you without @Robostyle.

 

[Floyd Eye]

@NoHassle misses his boyfriend...

Lame.