So does the Randall Thrasher equal the Fortin Natas?

[Anonymous]

I just wanted to know if the amps sound the same...guess I'll never know..

the best thing to do is get on facebook, friend mike fortin and fortin amps. ask him directly.

he'll tell you everything you want to know.

or, ask a few guys here that have amps galore....someone is bound to give you a rundown.


im more interested in the 667 also.

 

[squank]

who the fuck cares if I make it or China makes it! My RD 45 flat out smokes! I've put it up against all the high end shit out there and you guys holding the dicks of mass produced amps don't sound as good are fuckin nuts!

Carry on rant over!

Preach it man. This place becomes like snob knob at times. Every fkn electronic device is made in China. But no ones crying about their fkn cellphone,laptop or big screen tv. Get over yourselves

...as the USA slides into oblivion.

Just so you know, plenty of people are complaining that we don't manufacture much in the US anymore, including high tech gear. But the American consumer seems only interested in the absolute lowest price, without considering that policy destroys U.S. jobs and funds a totalitarian police state that has the U.S. by the economic short hairs.

If people would pay for American products, we wouldn't lose jobs to overseas markets. But our own selfish behavior is the instrument of our impending downfall. As the American consumer continues to shop at ChinaMart (oops, I mean WalMart), we deserve the economic mess we are creating for ourselves.

 

[7 Stringer]

FWIW, I didn't like the Natas proto when I played it. I love my Thrasher. Killer amp at a great price.

I had a NATAS, loved the tone, reminded me of my UL`s red channel. In the end, it was a lot of change for a brootalz two channel amp, so i sold it. KNowing what i know today, i would of kept it. Bought a Peters 3 channel.

For the price, i found my VHT more versatile and had a similar tone.

Build wise, the NATAS is the best i ever laid eyes upon, built for NASA.

Looked cool as all hell though:

 

[metalmaniac93]

who the fuck cares if I make it or China makes it! My RD 45 flat out smokes! I've put it up against all the high end shit out there and you guys holding the dicks of mass produced amps don't sound as good are fuckin nuts!

Carry on rant over!

Preach it man. This place becomes like snob knob at times. Every fkn electronic device is made in China. But no ones crying about their fkn cellphone,laptop or big screen tv. Get over yourselves

Well said, but do we have a choice when it comes to cellphones, laptops, or Big Screen TVs?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

I had a NATAS, loved the tone, reminded me of my UL`s red channel. In the end, it was a lot of change for a brootalz two channel amp, so i sold it. KNowing what i know today, i would of kept it. Bought a Peters 3 channel.

For the price, i found my VHT more versatile and had a similar tone.

Build wise, the NATAS is the best i ever laid eyes upon, built for NASA.

Looked cool as all hell though:

The transformers alone were a sight to behold on that thing, I remember when Scott/Digijams got his and posted up close pics very impressive.

It would be interesting to see what the Chinese transformers look like compared to those.

 

[Heritage Softail]

who the fuck cares if I make it or China makes it! My RD 45 flat out smokes! I've put it up against all the high end shit out there and you guys holding the dicks of mass produced amps don't sound as good are fuckin nuts!

Carry on rant over!

Preach it man. This place becomes like snob knob at times. Every fkn electronic device is made in China. But no ones crying about their fkn cellphone,laptop or big screen tv. Get over yourselves

...as the USA slides into oblivion.

Just so you know, plenty of people are complaining that we don't manufacture much in the US anymore, including high tech gear. But the American consumer seems only interested in the absolute lowest price, without considering that policy destroys U.S. jobs and funds a totalitarian police state that has the U.S. by the economic short hairs.

If people would pay for American products, we wouldn't lose jobs to overseas markets. But our own selfish behavior is the instrument of our impending downfall. As the American consumer continues to shop at ChinaMart (oops, I mean WalMart), we deserve the economic mess we are creating for ourselves.

It isn't gear snobbery to want to keep Americans in jobs. If there was a way to only buy American, from Americans that see the value in it I would.

Those saying it does not matter, hopefully you will wise up before you have your job or service outsourced.

Tone wise? It may not matter.

For jobs, recirculating money, and our economy, every dollar spent here and kept here multiplies 7-10 times depending on what bean counter you consult.

 

[jlbaxe]

If it came down to transformers couldn't you just change them out to USA transformers used in the Fortin?

Im sure you could find them on the internet somewhere

As for USA products I go out of my way to buy USA made but it isn't always that easy.

 

[dfrattaroli]

Funny stuff. We don't want to believe that an $800 Chinese amp can be any good but we'll drink the Kool-Aid all day and believe that a $3600 American-made Marshall clone is worth the money.

 

[crankyrayhanky]

FWIW, I had a FortinRandall Diavlo50 and a FortinMarshall VM2466
There is a similar vibe, but the VM presents a low end punch and attack that is frightening- the kind that shakes your body's foundation. The rd50 was good, but had a similar power section feel of mts heads- clear but lacked that low end impact
That may not matter depending on material/recording techniques
If I was going to keep the rd50, I was going to have a depth installed. Great transportable size with quality sound.
Maybe the rd45 is improved, IDK
Not exactly apples to apples, but there it is

 

[Shiny_Surface]

A high quality amp can be built anywhere if the same/spec parts are sourced. I have no doubt any high dollar amp could be made in China easily.

It's just that most manufacturers choose China to drive down costs and don't source the same parts...

 

[RedB4Black]

FWIW, I didn't like the Natas proto when I played it. I love my Thrasher. Killer amp at a great price.

I had a NATAS, loved the tone, reminded me of my UL`s red channel. In the end, it was a lot of change for a brootalz two channel amp, so i sold it. KNowing what i know today, i would of kept it. Bought a Peters 3 channel.

For the price, i found my VHT more versatile and had a similar tone.

Build wise, the NATAS is the best i ever laid eyes upon, built for NASA.

Looked cool as all hell though:

What is the unlabeled knob to the left of the Depth knob?


You're right about the UL... I love mine. I'd take it over anything.

 

[Deleted member 8761]

who the fuck cares if I make it or China makes it! My RD 45 flat out smokes! I've put it up against all the high end shit out there and you guys holding the dicks of mass produced amps don't sound as good are fuckin nuts!

Carry on rant over!

Preach it man. This place becomes like snob knob at times. Every fkn electronic device is made in China. But no ones crying about their fkn cellphone,laptop or big screen tv. Get over yourselves

...as the USA slides into oblivion.

Just so you know, plenty of people are complaining that we don't manufacture much in the US anymore, including high tech gear. But the American consumer seems only interested in the absolute lowest price, without considering that policy destroys U.S. jobs and funds a totalitarian police state that has the U.S. by the economic short hairs.

If people would pay for American products, we wouldn't lose jobs to overseas markets. But our own selfish behavior is the instrument of our impending downfall. As the American consumer continues to shop at ChinaMart (oops, I mean WalMart), we deserve the economic mess we are creating for ourselves.

It isn't gear snobbery to want to keep Americans in jobs. If there was a way to only buy American, from Americans that see the value in it I would.

Those saying it does not matter, hopefully you will wise up before you have your job or service outsourced.

Tone wise? It may not matter.

For jobs, recirculating money, and our economy, every dollar spent here and kept here multiplies 7-10 times depending on what bean counter you consult.

The times they are a- changin'...
You all know it is a different economy now. More global than ever. You don't mind the export, do you? In short, the economy will find an new equilibrium (it always will) but people will have to adapt and find new ways. Deal with it or crawl back into a cave and never buy an electronic device again. /rant

Back on topic, this has my interest as well. Also, can anyone comment on how the Randall stuff would compare to the VHT UL?

 

[Shiny_Surface]

What is the unlabeled knob to the left of the Depth knob?


You're right about the UL... I love mine. I'd take it over anything.

Hey Matt, not to sidetrack the thread but do the newer UL's have more gain on channel 2?

I really liked my '04 UL (pre black push button ) but needed to boost channel 2 for my rhythms.

Channel 3 seemed more for leads (more smear and less note clarity) and I didn't like it as much as boosting channel 2 (even I engaged the graphic) for rhythms....

 

[7 Stringer]

FWIW, I didn't like the Natas proto when I played it. I love my Thrasher. Killer amp at a great price.

I had a NATAS, loved the tone, reminded me of my UL`s red channel. In the end, it was a lot of change for a brootalz two channel amp, so i sold it. KNowing what i know today, i would of kept it. Bought a Peters 3 channel.

For the price, i found my VHT more versatile and had a similar tone.

Build wise, the NATAS is the best i ever laid eyes upon, built for NASA.

Looked cool as all hell though:

What is the unlabeled knob to the left of the Depth knob?


You're right about the UL... I love mine. I'd take it over anything.

It's a second master.

Yep, the UL is one hard amp to beat. I love channel 2 in low gain mode, has a real unique vibe to it.

Now I just got my EVH Stealth!!!!!!!

Didn't even plug it in yet

Chris

 

[RedB4Black]

What is the unlabeled knob to the left of the Depth knob?


You're right about the UL... I love mine. I'd take it over anything.

Hey Matt, not to sidetrack the thread but do the newer UL's have more gain on channel 2?

I really liked my '04 UL (pre black push button ) but needed to boost channel 2 for my rhythms.

Channel 3 seemed more for leads (more smear and less note clarity) and I didn't like it as much as boosting channel 2 (even I engaged the graphic) for rhythms....

The gain is in the buttons.

I had an '07 then a late '09/early '10 and now a '12. The last two I've had we're Fryette badged the '07 was VHT. The newer ones definitely have more gain than I remember my '07 having. They seem more saturated in the gain as well... From what I recall. I really don't boost the UL at all these days.

 

[RedB4Black]

Back on topic, this has my interest as well. Also, can anyone comment on how the Randall stuff would compare to the VHT UL?

I own the UL and the Randall. They are both great and I bet if I put KT88s in the Thrasher, it'd be close to the UL. I'd say the Thrasher is a little tighter and more saturated. The HF/LF gain is pretty cool feature on the Thrasher, but the EQ on the UL makes that amp super versatile. The Thrasher is more straight up metal voiced to my ears.

If I had to sell one, it'd be the Thrasher. The UL just has more girth/balls. I love it

 

[Ultron]

Funny stuff. We don't want to believe that an $800 Chinese amp can be any good but we'll drink the Kool-Aid all day and believe that a $3600 American-made Marshall clone is worth the money.

So much truth right here.

 

[RJF]

No. It can't, it's made in China.

But Germany is ok? For the local community? I guess since u own a vht it's cool.

Awesome, this will be fun.

I own Two Mesa recto's
1 VHT UL
1 Diezel
1 Framus
1 Bogner

Mesa headquarters is less than 100 miles from my home. I've been there, did the tour, have the T shirt.....

Both VHT (fryette) and Bogner are 350 miles from my home, and still in the same state I might add.

I chose Diezel because of their impeccable build quality and tone.
Germany is known for their high quality products and engineering. China is known for their fecal matter they call "manufactured goods". Get my drift?

Here's the winner winner chicken dinner. Germany is an Ally. If I can't keep my money in the good 'ol USA, I would then want it to go to an Ally, not an enemy for goodness sakes.

China is not an ally, far from it. China is not our friends, despite the fact that we unfortunately buy boat loads of their crap. They are a dictatorship and cheat and lie for every angle they can get. Google "usa vs. china trade deficit" for an example. What we have today was never the intent, when China was added to the world trade organization.

 

[guitarslayer]

There is no way the randall stuff even if the same circuit could sound the same with chinese transformers etc...

Just because something is made in China doesn't mean it can't sound great. The transformers are clones of the custom winds that were used in the Natas.

 

[Ari]

who the fuck cares if I make it or China makes it! My RD 45 flat out smokes! I've put it up against all the high end shit out there and you guys holding the dicks of mass produced amps don't sound as good are fuckin nuts!

Carry on rant over!

Jeff what cabs do you run the rd45 through? Thanks!