So what was/is the verdict on the Diezel D-Moll?

[yngzaklynch]

I played an Einstein and the D-Moll seems to be way more aggressive i the gain dept. I'm guessing that was also something the Diezel fanbase wanted... more gain.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I played an Einstein and the D-Moll seems to be way more aggressive i the gain dept. I'm guessing that was also something the Diezel fanbase wanted... more gain.

I think Peter Diezel realized he should have made the modes switchable on the Einstein instead of mods. As far as gain the Einstein has plenty. I think a lot depends on your cabinet. I owned an Einstein and honestly I thought it sounded like shit, a Shiva 20th I flipped it for smoked it IMHO. BUT, I borrowed a Herbert for a while and loved it! It sounded killer on an old Mesa Boogie metal grill 4x12 loaded with 2 MC90's and 2 EVM200 watters, but I didn't like the Herbert at all on a 70 Marshall's loaded with Blackbacks. I liked the Herbert for leads and heavy stuff but there's nothing Marshall whatsoever about it, and any other Diezel IMHO. But for anything the Herbert can do I've played boosted Recto's that can match them or beat them. So of you guys own some killer modded Recto's that you won't do much better than. The Herbert gives you a lot of versatility and tones without needing mods though.

 

[braintheory]

I played an Einstein and the D-Moll seems to be way more aggressive i the gain dept. I'm guessing that was also something the Diezel fanbase wanted... more gain.

I think Peter Diezel realized he should have made the modes switchable on the Einstein instead of mods. As far as gain the Einstein has plenty. I think a lot depends on your cabinet. I owned an Einstein and honestly I thought it sounded like shit, a Shiva 20th I flipped it for smoked it IMHO. BUT, I borrowed a Herbert for a while and loved it! It sounded killer on an old Mesa Boogie metal grill 4x12 loaded with 2 MC90's and 2 EVM200 watters, but I didn't like the Herbert at all on a 70 Marshall's loaded with Blackbacks. I liked the Herbert for leads and heavy stuff but there's nothing Marshall whatsoever about it, and any other Diezel IMHO. But for anything the Herbert can do I've played boosted Recto's that can match them or beat them. So of you guys own some killer modded Recto's that you won't do much better than. The Herbert gives you a lot of versatility and tones without needing mods though.

What were these mods for the recto's and who did them?

 

[steve_k]

It's a variant of the higher end Diezel's. 2.5 channels (this is the only amp with a shared EQ) and with the mid-cut. Slightly less on the peripheral functions as the VH4 or Herbert. Lower price point than the others. Still retains all that is good with a Diezel.

Not the only Diezel with shared EQ. The Einstein's Channel 1 shares EQ between clean, mid-gain, and high-gain. The D-Moll came about because people wanted an Einstein but with the clean channel on its own and the gain channel with shared EQ/Modes. The D-Moll does this. People also wanted MIDI. The D-Moll does this. The way I look at it, the D-Moll is the Einstein's replacement. Which makes sense, since the Einstein has been discontinued.

Correct. I was referring to the current production.

 

[dooredge]

Had the chance to play a D-Moll pretty extensively and it's a huge sounding beast. I wouldn't mind grabbing one, but I have the Herbert so don't feel the need to double up. What I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on is a Randall Thrasher and/or Satan.

 

[Kruegmeister]

I bought one it was nice, I prefer my 5150 mini to it though.. especially for the price.. .

I feel the opposite.
I have a 5150 III 50w (Mini) and recently bought the D-Moll which I like better.
I think the Cab choice is important though cause I did not love my D-Moll through my Mesa Recto 2x12.
When I plugged it into my Diezel Front Loaded 4x12 with V30s and G12K100s in an X Pattern, then it became awesome.
The EVH Sits at home now and the Diezel is the Band Practice/Gigging Amp.

 

[squank]

If I was going to buy another Diezel, it would definitely be a D-Moll.

 

[sp1k3]

D-Moll is like a Herbert's little brother. They are close in character. But D-Moll has less modern sound and more mids. Is it good amp or not so good? Depends on what you want. I think shredders would prefer 5150 III. But I love it for big thick tone.

Also compared to Herbert it weights less and is easier to take to a gig. Just bought it from a friend two weeks ago.

 

[Ventura]

It's a variant of the higher end Diezel's. 2.5 channels (this is the only amp with a shared EQ) and with the mid-cut. Slightly less on the peripheral functions as the VH4 or Herbert. Lower price point than the others. Still retains all that is good with a Diezel.

Not the only Diezel with shared EQ. The Einstein's Channel 1 shares EQ between clean, mid-gain, and high-gain. The D-Moll came about because people wanted an Einstein but with the clean channel on its own and the gain channel with shared EQ/Modes. The D-Moll does this. People also wanted MIDI. The D-Moll does this. The way I look at it, the D-Moll is the Einstein's replacement. Which makes sense, since the Einstein has been discontinued.

There's a lot of truth in this statement. Lots.

 

[Ventura]

I'm still somewhat and as to how many Diezel posts as of late end up having some offhand discussion about EVH amps and how they're comparable to. I don't get it. People - seriously - they're on opposite ends of the spectrum - they're not even related - I don't understand this...

I need another coffee.

 

[jharpersj]

I have one in the emporium (I need to net $2500 so if anyone wants a mint one hit me up) and have owned several Diez's included a blueface VH4. I really like the Dmoll, it seemed to take the best attributes of all the diezel's and roll it into one. Great clean channel, and awesome gain tones, mid cut is great and having the dual masters and a smaller box is great too. It was great in the studio and at gigs. For me, in the end, my two carol ann's and the axefx cover all my needs and I can't afford to keep that many amps at the moment. That being said its in my top 5 or so favorites of all times. Very big, warm and cuts great. I just sold an XTC classic and a Uber and I prefer the Dmoll to both.

 

[FourT6and2]

I played an Einstein and the D-Moll seems to be way more aggressive i the gain dept. I'm guessing that was also something the Diezel fanbase wanted... more gain.

I think Peter Diezel realized he should have made the modes switchable on the Einstein instead of mods. As far as gain the Einstein has plenty. I think a lot depends on your cabinet. I owned an Einstein and honestly I thought it sounded like shit, a Shiva 20th I flipped it for smoked it IMHO. BUT, I borrowed a Herbert for a while and loved it! It sounded killer on an old Mesa Boogie metal grill 4x12 loaded with 2 MC90's and 2 EVM200 watters, but I didn't like the Herbert at all on a 70 Marshall's loaded with Blackbacks. I liked the Herbert for leads and heavy stuff but there's nothing Marshall whatsoever about it, and any other Diezel IMHO. But for anything the Herbert can do I've played boosted Recto's that can match them or beat them. So of you guys own some killer modded Recto's that you won't do much better than. The Herbert gives you a lot of versatility and tones without needing mods though.

I have only ever played through two Einsteins. The first was a 100 watt head through a Mesa 4x12 with V30s. It sounded like ass. The second, was a 50 watt Einstein 1x12 combo with V30. I bought it. It sounds great. I also got to A/B it against a few Shivas: 20th Anni. and EL34/Reverb. The Shiva's clean channel is fantastic. So is the Einstein's (albeit a different flavor). The Shiva's mid-gain is great. The Einstein's isn't as good, I'll give it that. But for high-gain, the Einstein wins. The Shiva is loose and chewy (typical Bogner sound). The Einstein is tight and aggressive (typical Diezel sound). Choose your poison.

Though, as far as all Diezels go, I think the VH4 is the king.

However my dream Diezel amp would be the Einstein's clean channel (w/reverb) and VH4 channel 3. Though, maybe this is what the D-Moll is trying to get after?

 

[Anonymous]

Can of worms:
Why doesn't the Schmidt get talked about, like, ever?

 

[Kruegmeister]

I'm still somewhat and as to how many Diezel posts as of late end up having some offhand discussion about EVH amps and how they're comparable to. I don't get it. People - seriously - they're on opposite ends of the spectrum - they're not even related - I don't understand this...

I need another coffee.

I think its cause people looking for High Gain Stuff for Heavy Riff Work generally end up looking at EVH 5150, Peavey 5150 and Diezels.
I recently compared my D-Moll to an EVH 5150 III 50w because that was the amp I upgraded from.
I would agree that it is not the same league as the Diezel and EVHs have totally different sound in my opinion.

 

[Laura]

The D-moll is the first Diezel amp that I have owned. Its a sick amp. It won't leave my arsenal. I haven't owned every high gainer but I have owned a few. I was shocked at how well it cut even with gobs of saturation and gain. My band mates say it is their favorite amp that I own (well that and my Fortin modded Uber). My buddy bought a Herbert after playing my D-Moll. Next time he is over, we will do an a/b comparison.

 

[yngzaklynch]

Cool

 

[rlord1974]

My buddy bought a Herbert after playing my D-Moll. Next time he is over, we will do an a/b comparison.

Are you able to do clips, or too much of a pain in the A-S-S?

 

[Laura]

My buddy bought a Herbert after playing my D-Moll. Next time he is over, we will do an a/b comparison.

Are you able to do clips, or too much of a pain in the A-S-S?

Yeah mine are not stellar but I can do clips. Just need to drag dooredge back over for a few hours to make it happen.

 

[rlord1974]

Sweet! Looking forward to it!

 

[RedB4Black]

I bought a near brand one for a killer price...about $2300. Wanted to like it as I had a Herbert for years. I didn't like it. Sold it. I'm borrowing my friends VH4 right now and it's sounding pretty damn good to me. He has a pretty nice mix of NOS preamps tubes in it with 6550s... So that could be part of it.