Sound asleep at 1 am and my dog is crazy barking because

[espquade]

Detectors to tell you if someone is coming on your property and video surveillance is pretty cheap and is covered in a lot of home insurance. Always a good idea to look around when you get home no matter what time of day just to make sure no one has decided to come in and wait. Sure you can never completely protect yourself .... but as cheap as it is there is no reason to take a few precautions. Everyone in the home should know how everything works and a basic plan of what to do with these kind of problems. A little talking could change the out come of a potentially bad situation for the people you care about. It does not really matter where you live there are crazy's and idiots everywhere.

We have professional alarm system with monitoring , so I always though if something happened and our alarm went off that we would be safe , but after this I have to realize that i can't rely on the Police to be their in time and have to take matters in my own hand !

 

[espquade]

Get your self a Remington 870 pump shotgun or similar brand. The sound of a pump shotgun cocking is loud and will intimidate just about anyone. Everybody knows that sound and by doing that can end a situation quickly, if not your ready. There are home defense rounds that wont go through 2 layers of drywall, protecting family members that might be on the other side of you and the bad guy. you can also get these rounds for a handgun.

I carry my Glock 23 40cal. on me in my house at all times. Never know if your house will be the one for a home invasion, hope it never happens but if so I am prepared.

Take a gun safety (hunting) class and practice. Careful buying a gun is like guitars and amps I have dozenssssss of guns now but im also a hunter.





That's some serious firepower you have !

I'm going to consider a few options as far as guns go and i guess taking a class or even going to a gun club and doing some indoor practice shooting wouldn't hurt either .

This is a new chapter in my life for sure and at this point I'm not sure how I feel about this , but I now need to do it.

thanks for the info.

 

[espquade]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

The laws protect the criminal if they enter your home ?

 

[espquade]

Glad it turned out OK for your family. This thread is making me think about more protection for my family. I am going to look at home survalence first before buying weapons. I promised my wife years ago there would'nt be guns in the house but we may have to re-think this.
Proper gun training could be the key to make this happen. Thanks to all for opening my eyes a little wider.

I think I will look into one of those safes that have an electronic 4 key code for quick opening and keep it in our bedroom closet , so it will be safe , but will also be within easy access .

Yes , after something like this happens ... you really realize how unsafe you could be( even in your own home ) and I'm not going to take this chance anymore !

 

[espquade]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

+1

In Finland, if you even a pulled a knife on the burglar who has already entered your house, the burglar could sue you and win the case...

To the OP: So glad to hear that you and your family are ok.

Thanks

Man ... that's completely nuts ! How are you going to protect yourself and your family then ?

 

[espquade]

damn! you'd think where you moved would be safer? guess with it being acreage instead of small lots maybe thiefs think it's easier targets?


shotgun time for sure!

Yes Martin I thought so , but I guess the residential areas are just as safe as being out here with all this open land around !

I know you must be sporting some guns out where you live .

What do you have ?

 

[espquade]

Sorry to hear, That is a hell of a way to learn that you need a gun...
I would be armed gun in hand and ASP in pocket for anyone knocking at my door at 1am

Buy that dog a slimjim next time you are out as a reward..

Yes , he's a good dog for sure and I won't yell at him for barking anymore , but try to understand why , although we have alot of deer out here and he's always barking when they come around , but i guess I will get used to it .

 

[gbsmusic]

Glad you're safe man! These days I trust no one!!!!! To much shit going on to give your trust to a stranger anymore. Its really sad!

 

[Jakem]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

+1

In Finland, if you even a pulled a knife on the burglar who has already entered your house, the burglar could sue you and win the case...

To the OP: So glad to hear that you and your family are ok.

Thanks

Man ... that's completely nuts ! How are you going to protect yourself and your family then ?

If one protects his home in Finland the defender's screwed because you're not allowed to defend your property/things by using force.

Self-defense is another ridiculous thing here because the defender gets sued if the attacker gets injured. It doesn't matter if the attacker has tried to hit you 100 times and you hit one good punch dropping him after all that. You basically need to get injured before you can defend yourself but you must not injure the attacker more. God I hate Finland's (in)justice system...

Rapists and paedophiles run free in Finland because they get parole most of the time. Minimum sentence for killing someone is ONLY 8 years and 1st timers sit only half of that. You basically get longer jailtime for killing an animal than a human for christ's sake.

 

[stephen sawall]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

The laws protect the criminal if they enter your home ?

Believe it or not it is very similar here. The laws on these issues are pretty crazy. It is a very good idea for everyone to understand and know how to use the weapons in the home. Safety, understanding and respect are a must as far as I am concerned. I am a strong believer in do not pull a weapon out in less you are about to use it. I would never threaten someone with a gun or have a conversation with one out. I believe this is just opening yourself up to getting hurt.

I have lived in the middle of nowhere half my life. You really are no safer than living in a place like this. These kinds of things happen every place. Never forget your dog is your friend.

 

[JerryP]

Glad to hear everyone is safe. I learned a long time ago that I'm the only one I can depend on to protect my family.
Jerry

 

[bravedude2]

if all else fails resort to gun play, that's the rig-talk way.

 

[smdb]

About 15 years ago I had a guy trying to get in a sliding glass door on my deck, there were curtains up but I could see his silhouette due to some lights outside. I grabbed my 12 gauge (loaded of course), walked up to the door and pulled the curtains back, pumped the shotgun and put it right up to his face. I don't know who was more freaked out, him or I. But his eyes got really wide and he turned around and jumped over the deck railing, he jumped about 15 feet to the ground. I don't know how he did not break his ankles or leg but he got up and and ran. I do not want to kill anyone but, I would have let the air out of him in a second if he would have got inside my house... I called the cops, but they never caught him..
Click, Click, Boom! Get the gun bro.

 

[Wayniac]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

The laws protect the criminal if they enter your home ?

Believe it or not it is very similar here. The laws on these issues are pretty crazy. It is a very good idea for everyone to understand and know how to use the weapons in the home. Safety, understanding and respect are a must as far as I am concerned. I am a strong believer in do not pull a weapon out in less you are about to use it. I would never threaten someone with a gun or have a conversation with one out. I believe this is just opening yourself up to getting hurt.

I have lived in the middle of nowhere half my life. You really are no safer than living in a place like this. These kinds of things happen every place. Never forget your dog is your friend.

First off - let me say I'm glad it turned out OK for you guys this time. Get that dog a big steak!

I also have guns in my home.. but make sure you know your local laws on what is allowed and what is not. Laws here in CT are way different than in Texas for instance, where that older gentleman shot 2 robbers leaving his neighbors house. He got off without being prosecuted. Here in CT.. he'd be in Jail. Your local definitions of Imminent danger vs feeling threatened.. makes a HUGE difference in court...

Good luck

 

[Subclavian]

pretty spooky man

now for the whole gun thing. I am a proud veteran and proudly carry the banner of the NRA. However, I would highly suggest taking some form of tactical/home defense classes. Most ranges in your area will have somebody that is an expert that can teach you not only the right way but also if your state has "castle" laws protecting you in the event a firearm is discharged in your home. Even after coming out of the Marines and seeing combat I kinda thought I knew everything. While I knew the weapons inside and out and knew the Marine way, I was completely dead wrong on some of the situational stuff.

hope you and your family stay safe

sub

 

[jcj]

All I can say is I'm going shopping and I'm going to buy a GUN !!!! because if i had to wait for the police and the situation was different and he broke in how would I have defended my family ?!

This is the exact reason to buy a gun. Without one you are helpless.

Glad to see you are okay.

+1

During the LA riots, the # of liberals who "saw the light" about gun ownership was staggering

To the OP- If you don't have much experience with firearms (or if you do ), a shotgun is a great home defense tool.

Glad you and the wife are ok

 

[stephen sawall]

I had one of these and a 9mm around for years and a few deer hunting rifles. I am very glad I have never had been in the position to need to use them other than for hunting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwC85njIE0k&NR=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMQ981lph0

 

[RJF]

All I can say is I'm going shopping and I'm going to buy a GUN !!!! because if i had to wait for the police and the situation was different and he broke in how would I have defended my family ?!

This is the exact reason to buy a gun. Without one you are helpless.

Glad to see you are okay.

+1

During the LA riots, the # of liberals who "saw the light" about gun ownership was staggering

exactly. I can't understand why ANYONE would be for banning firearms altogether. I can understand someone not wanting to own a gun, but them having the RIGHT to own one greatly protects them, even if they don't have a firearm in their possession. Just think of how brave some of these criminals would get if they knew no one had a gun to defend their property and family. As of now a criminal driving down a street has no idea which house is armed and which aren't.


As far as the gun, buy a 12guage tactical pump shotgun. You want a pump action, not an semi auto reloader. There are two reasons, first being that sound of you cocking the gun is enough to scare off some people and second is, in a situation that you need to fire a 2nd or 3rd round, you want a gun that doesn't run the risk of jamming. Especially in the case of home defense as guns get left unused for years where dust and a lack of use could cause a jamming issue.

As far as guns, some guys suggested some Remington 870 and 887 guns, nice guns but they are pricey. I'd suggest a Mossberg 500. Big 5 sporting goods carries a Mossberg 500 that comes with two seperate barrels and is $279 when on sale vs. the Remington 870 that will be in the 400+ for the cheaper express model.

For ammunition I'd use a heavy load like buckshot #1 or a pheasant load #4. I think buckshot is a little much, but if you live in a house then it's a decent choice because you can literally shoot through walls with it and kill the guy on the other side. I wouldn't recommend buckshot for apartments or town houses Something like a pheasant load will still blow someone in half at close range but won't have the punch through a wall like buckshot will. I wouldn't recommend a target load for home defense (that is the cheap stuff) because they normally aren't packed with as much powder as a game load. If you have someone in your house, you can't resolve the situation in any other matter, and it comes down to killing them because your life is in danger, then you want a shell powerful enough to knock them off their feet because who knows on the kind of drugs a person could be on causing them to not feel pain.

Mossberg 500

 

[jaybird]

Glad to hear you are ok.

As far as laws go, I liked this one when I lived in Florida:

The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

So if someone comes into your house with a weapon you pretty much have open license to take them out by law. The way it should be IMO.

 

[turmoil]

that dog could have really saved your life man! had it not been barking up a storm they might have just tried to break right in. dogs wtf fuck cats

i would definitely get a gun if it took the police that long to respond. my dad just recently bought a gun for the first time, he's 58, and the rest of my family thinks he's nuts, but i'm on his side for the reasons he got it... if things go south, no alarm system or (most) dogs are going to stop someone from coming in and taking/doing what they want.