Sound asleep at 1 am and my dog is crazy barking because

[Audioholic]

Yup, the reason why I have a gun, and a Dog who will go ape crazy if someone either comes to our door, or is on our property, I pitty the fool who tries to come in with him there.

 

[Meathead]

Glad to hear you are ok.

As far as laws go, I liked this one when I lived in Florida:

The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

So if someone comes into your house with a weapon you pretty much have open license to take them out by law. The way it should be IMO.

I thought it was like that North America wide...that's crazy if it's not. Someone breaking into a house should have NO rights.
Someone tries to enter my house...it's definitely at their own risk.

 

[JackBootedThug]

All I can say is I'm going shopping and I'm going to buy a GUN !!!! because if i had to wait for the police and the situation was different and he broke in how would I have defended my family ?!

This is the exact reason to buy a gun. Without one you are helpless.

Glad to see you are okay.

+1

During the LA riots, the # of liberals who "saw the light" about gun ownership was staggering

exactly. I can't understand why ANYONE would be for banning firearms altogether. I can understand someone not wanting to own a gun, but them having the RIGHT to own one greatly protects them, even if they don't have a firearm in their possession. Just think of how brave some of these criminals would get if they knew no one had a gun to defend their property and family. As of now a criminal driving down a street has no idea which house is armed and which aren't.


As far as the gun, buy a 12guage tactical pump shotgun. You want a pump action, not an semi auto reloader. There are two reasons, first being that sound of you cocking the gun is enough to scare off some people and second is, in a situation that you need to fire a 2nd or 3rd round, you want a gun that doesn't run the risk of jamming. Especially in the case of home defense as guns get left unused for years where dust and a lack of use could cause a jamming issue.

As far as guns, some guys suggested some Remington 870 and 887 guns, nice guns but they are pricey. I'd suggest a Mossberg 500. Big 5 sporting goods carries a Mossberg 500 that comes with two seperate barrels and is $279 when on sale vs. the Remington 870 that will be in the 400+ for the cheaper express model.

For ammunition I'd use a heavy load like buckshot #1 or a pheasant load #4. I think buckshot is a little much, but if you live in a house then it's a decent choice because you can literally shoot through walls with it and kill the guy on the other side. I wouldn't recommend buckshot for apartments or town houses Something like a pheasant load will still blow someone in half at close range but won't have the punch through a wall like buckshot will. I wouldn't recommend a target load for home defense (that is the cheap stuff) because they normally aren't packed with as much powder as a game load. If you have someone in your house, you can't resolve the situation in any other matter, and it comes down to killing them because your life is in danger, then you want a shell powerful enough to knock them off their feet because who knows on the kind of drugs a person could be on causing them to not feel pain.

Mossberg 500

not sure about the tacticals, but alot of the mossburgs have aluminum firing pins causing failure. i'm using #4 winchester supreme 2 3/4" magnums. wonderful choice for ripping someone in half.

 

[JTyson]

Glad you and yours are OK, thats a great dog you have there. Ours will go crazy if she hears ANYTHING outside. We have a varied assortment of weapons in our household, but if I had to pick one for your scenario, it would be a short 12 gauge with 3" nitro-mag 00 buckshot much like the one JBT recommended. The REM 870's are stone reliable, and always do what you ask them to You dont look bad in a courtroom with a shotgun (as compared to a AR) no restrictions for buying it, and ammo is easy to find. Courtrooms are becoming funny about people that have black guns that are decked out with every accessory available, it gives them the idea you WANT to hurt someone. A lawyer that wants to give the court an idea you are some loon who should not have guns will have a much easier time doing so if you have a AR decked out with night-vision, laser sighting, and a grenade launcher Pistols are great for close-quarters scenario's, but a 12 gauge shotgun is hard to beat, and is still considered a hunting weapon. If you are going to have weapons in your house, teach everyone in the house proper use of them, and let them get comfortable with shooting them in varied positions and circumstances. Letting your wife fire at a target at the range is very different from taking out a invader in your house at night. They need to be confident with the weapon so they dont freak out at an inopportune time. I have spent enough time with my family training with weapons to know that if something went very wrong, they would have been very nervous if they just knew the bare minimum to fire the weapon. getting everyone confident in their abilities will give you a distinct advantage in a life and death situation

 

[JackBootedThug]

also-you can get nonlethals for the 12gauge which are totally badass. i've used beanbag rounds and they will fuck a person up. i've also been in a couple of riot situations where almost a 1000 convicts were going at it.fired off some rounds with the ar's and they kept fighting-switched to the 870's and fired off a couple and everyone got on their faces.

 

[JTyson]

Glad to hear you are ok.

As far as laws go, I liked this one when I lived in Florida:

The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

So if someone comes into your house with a weapon you pretty much have open license to take them out by law. The way it should be IMO.

Its a lot like that in Alabama, but you can take someone down outside your house also. As long as you are on your property and your life is in danger. I feel sorry for the dumb sap that decides to storm our house, he will leave wrapped in plastic

 

[JackBootedThug]

Glad to hear you are ok.

As far as laws go, I liked this one when I lived in Florida:

The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

So if someone comes into your house with a weapon you pretty much have open license to take them out by law. The way it should be IMO.

Its a lot like that in Alabama, but you can take someone down outside your house also. As long as you are on your property and your life is in danger. I feel sorry for the dumb sap that decides to storm our house, he will leave wrapped in plastic

hellz yea! same here-wont be much to clean up after i let my 150lbs. mastiff puppy chew on what's left. btw the way-i'm getting ready to get an 887 tactical and put one of these on it-
http://www.bsaoptics.com/scope.aspx?productID=484

 

[JTyson]

Glad to hear you are ok.

As far as laws go, I liked this one when I lived in Florida:

The Florida law provides that a person, not themselves engaged in an unlawful activity, who is attacked in a place where they have the legal right to be (i.e. a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle or public place) does not have an obligation to retreat and may meet force with matching comparable force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to him/herself or to another person or to prevent a forcible felony.

So if someone comes into your house with a weapon you pretty much have open license to take them out by law. The way it should be IMO.

Its a lot like that in Alabama, but you can take someone down outside your house also. As long as you are on your property and your life is in danger. I feel sorry for the dumb sap that decides to storm our house, he will leave wrapped in plastic

hellz yea! same here-wont be much to clean up after i let my 150lbs. mastiff puppy chew on what's left. btw the way-i'm getting ready to get an 887 tactical and put one of these on it-
http://www.bsaoptics.com/scope.aspx?productID=484

That 887 is badass, it kinda looks like a Benelli with the new trigger guard dont it? I have an older marine 870 police issue, that thing has probably fired a gazillion rounds with no failures, no jams. I'm curious why you picked that scope as opposed to a red-dot on a shotgun, mostly because of the eye-relief issue

 

[JackBootedThug]

i like a reflex sight. plus a light and a laser-why not?

 

[JTyson]

i like a reflex sight. plus a light and a laser-why not?

I guess I was looking at the wrong one, sounds cool For use at work?

 

[VoodooChild24]

I'm glad you and your family are ok. That is always my mantra, never in any way open a door for a stranger
in the wee hours of the morning. But I always have this dilemma of being a good Samaritan or being careful / smart.
You just can never tell what's coming right atcha.

Good idea to buy a gun. If you think that you can wait for the police to save you, it might be a little
to late in certain situation.

 

[Mr. Willy]

Shotgun, you need it.

 

[kasperjensen]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

The laws protect the criminal if they enter your home ?

I know it sounds pretty crazy, but Spain is a pretty weird country with regards to what you can and what you can't do.
What is right and what is wrong, you can debate till the sun comes up... But the fact is that I would be pretty helpless if a burglar came into my home.
If I knew, lets say, Krav Maga, I would be allowed to use that too defend myself, but only in such a manner as to do nothing more than that. I cold hold the intruder, disabling further attack, but if I actually hurt him, then I would also be an attacker.
The only thing that comforts me, is that the police force and the court take physical violence, and threat thereof, very seriously, and people tend to have a lot of respect for the police. Or more specifically, the Guardia Civil. If I placed a 911 (or 112 as it would be here), they would come swiftly, and rest assured that they beat the intruder to a pulp if he showed any hostility.

We have many weird laws. As a (commercial) landlord there can be quite complications. Say the tenant doesn't pay the rent, our contract is then technically void, and by law the tenant has to vacate the building. However, if the tenant choses not to, then there is not a damn thing I can do about it. I have to go to the police, and file the claim, and then wait for the court hearing. This can take up to 8 months (or more... The courts here are closed in August, due to heat... WTF?!!!!). During this period, the tenant is free to stay in the building, and not paying me. After I get the court hearing, and they agree that the tenant should leave the building, I can then start the whole process again to get my money. Which won't happen... Coz there will be no more money in the company.
I had a case like this a while ago, where the tenant owed 6 months rent... She showed up to the hearing in her sports car, and said that her company was willing to pay, but was unable to. And nothing more happened... She still owns the sport car, and a 4 bedroom house... and owes me a tonne of money, which I will never be able to get.
It's even worse for private landlords...

Sorry... Rant over.

 

[Mailman1971]

I say....if they enter MY HOME in the middle of the night in a BREAK IN????



Let god sort em out!

 

[JTyson]

There is only one thing, and one thing only, that I envy the residents of the USA... The right to hold a gun and pull it on anyone entering your property in a threatening manner.

I keep a big knife by the bed, but if I actually used it on a burglar, I would get sent to prison.

The laws protect the criminal if they enter your home ?

I know it sounds pretty crazy, but Spain is a pretty weird country with regards to what you can and what you can't do.
What is right and what is wrong, you can debate till the sun comes up... But the fact is that I would be pretty helpless if a burglar came into my home.
If I knew, lets say, Krav Maga, I would be allowed to use that too defend myself, but only in such a manner as to do nothing more than that. I cold hold the intruder, disabling further attack, but if I actually hurt him, then I would also be an attacker.
The only thing that comforts me, is that the police force and the court take physical violence, and threat thereof, very seriously, and people tend to have a lot of respect for the police. Or more specifically, the Guardia Civil. If I placed a 911 (or 112 as it would be here), they would come swiftly, and rest assured that they beat the intruder to a pulp if he showed any hostility.

We have many weird laws. As a (commercial) landlord there can be quite complications. Say the tenant doesn't pay the rent, our contract is then technically void, and by law the tenant has to vacate the building. However, if the tenant choses not to, then there is not a damn thing I can do about it. I have to go to the police, and file the claim, and then wait for the court hearing. This can take up to 8 months (or more... The courts here are closed in August, due to heat... WTF?!!!!). During this period, the tenant is free to stay in the building, and not paying me. After I get the court hearing, and they agree that the tenant should leave the building, I can then start the whole process again to get my money. Which won't happen... Coz there will be no more money in the company.
I had a case like this a while ago, where the tenant owed 6 months rent... She showed up to the hearing in her sports car, and said that her company was willing to pay, but was unable to. And nothing more happened... She still owns the sport car, and a 4 bedroom house... and owes me a tonne of money, which I will never be able to get.
It's even worse for private landlords...

Sorry... Rant over.

that sux. if its any consolation, landlords get screwed over here too

 

[jlbaxe]

For your thought:

90-95% of people shot with a handgun invading a house will live.

95% of people shot breaking in a home with a 12 ga die.

Im not trying to kill anyone but you wound them and they testify in court not only can (and will) lie saying they know you or something and sue you but YOU go to jail for attempted manslaughter. Dead people cant testify leaving only your word.

I will do what I have to to protect my family and deal with what ever afterwards. Dont ever pull out a gun and second guess yourself or things can go bad for you and your family.

You can get a Remington 870 used for around $200 its what most police forces and military used.

A 44 autoloader would recoil to much and go though walls for home defense and is a Desert Eagle I have a 44 revolver and winchester 44 lever action I have mannnnnnyyyyy guns ARs, revolvers, shotguns, rifles,semi auto pistols and a few law enforcement ones. they are fun and require a lot of responsibility

 

[edgarallanpoe]

For your thought:

90-95% of people shot with a handgun invading a house will live.

95% of people shot breaking in a home with a 12 ga die.

Are those legit statistics or are you making them up?

 

[Audioholic]

For your thought:

90-95% of people shot with a handgun invading a house will live.

95% of people shot breaking in a home with a 12 ga die.

Im not trying to kill anyone but you wound them and they testify in court not only can (and will) lie saying they know you or something and sue you but YOU go to jail for attempted manslaughter. Dead people cant testify leaving only your word.

I will do what I have to to protect my family and deal with what ever afterwards. Dont ever pull out a gun and second guess yourself or things can go bad for you and your family.

You can get a Remington 870 used for around $200 its what most police forces and military used.

A 44 autoloader would recoil to much and go though walls for home defense and is a Desert Eagle I have a 44 revolver and winchester 44 lever action I have mannnnnnyyyyy guns ARs, revolvers, shotguns, rifles,semi auto pistols and a few law enforcement ones. they are fun and require a lot of responsibility

first off, I don't believe those statistics one bit. I live in Florida, and have heard of many people shooting breaking and entering criminals. Most of the time, they are mortally wounded, but if they are not, I think all of the cases I have read about they were justified in using force. I can't believe that some courts and jury would actually entertain and worst, punish those who are protecting their house. That is so wrong and twisting the justice system.

 

[Jay Strange]

Yep get a gun, then you could've ripped open the door and shot the f'er.

 

[espquade]

For your thought:

90-95% of people shot with a handgun invading a house will live.

95% of people shot breaking in a home with a 12 ga die.

Are those legit statistics or are you making them up?

If I decide to get a handgun instead of a Shotgun you can bet if someone broke into our house ... I would unload it into their sorry ass and reflect on it after the fact