Mr. Willy
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No, it DOES matter who is in office. It’s those who are keeping things shut down and paying people to stay home that are exasperating this self-inflicted recession.
No, it DOES matter who is in office. It’s those who are keeping things shut down and paying people to stay home that are exasperating this self-inflicted recession.
Donnie B.
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Pretty nuts when an unemployment check equals more money than working + paying child care.
Donnie B.
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Hyperbole doesn't work. Many factors have gone into our current situation.
Shutdowns are state and local mandates anyway - not federal.
Mr. Willy
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How does that in any way change what I said? It’s not hyperbole, dude, it’s what’s actually happening. And that’s exactly what I’m referring to. The states that opened up sooner are doing much better than the states that have not opened up. It’s not rocket science or super complicated because of a bunch of little factors that we supposedly can’t understand.
Donnie B.
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It's hyperbole to say INFLATION = SELF INFLICTED. Paints a ridiculously slanted picture.
Many factors have contributed to our current situation.
Mr. Willy
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That’s EXACTLY what I’m referring to. We elect people who decide who gets welfare checks and how much. And I’m referring to stimulus checks as welfare because that’s what it is. Some politicians want to curb those benefits and get people back to work. Some want to pay people to stay home. It does matter who makes these decisions because their economic philosophy matters. It’s drives their decision making process.
Mr. Willy
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It IS self inflicted because we chose to shut everything down! We didn’t HAVE to shut everything down like we did. We could’ve allowed the most vulnerable to stay home but give others the ability to chose whether or not to stay home. We didn’t do that! We shut everything down over a virus that has a 98% survival rate. Im not saying we shouldn’t have taken precautions, but we are in this situation as a nation based on our collective response to it.
It’s self inflicted because certain politicians in certain locals are still CHOOSING to keep things in various states shut down. And yes, the current federal government in power is exasperating the situation as well by pumping money full stop into the economy. We didn’t cause the pandemic, but we are fully responsible for our reaction to it.
Donnie B.
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First off, thanks for the civil conversation.
I worked full-time for 43 years and lost my job right before Covid hit.
My unemployment (which I'd earned and contributed into for 4 decades) allowed us to keep our home
when it was extended due to the outbreak.
Unemployment is paid into by YOU and your employers. How can you consider it welfare?
All the manual laborers whose jobs shut down surely didn't go on welfare, right?
Mr. Willy
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You’re welcome for civil discourse. I hope I’m coming across as civil. And I’m very sorry for your job loss. I know what it’s like to be unemployed when you need it. It’s hard.
I consider any assistance paid by the government to be welfare. I’m not saying that as a slant or a knock. And I’m not against certain forms of welfare (and I hate, hate, hate the corruption and waste centered around most welfare projects, not by the people who receive them, but by the people writing the checks.)
Right now though, we have more jobs that need filling than we have people who are willing to go to work. That’s because the government is choosing to keep paying people to stay home. I consider that a self inflicted wound, to be clear. The pandemic was NOT self inflicted, but our response to it is.
Donnie B.
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The last year has shown that you can't leave health decisions up to the individuals.
You think airlines, buses, and trains should have just kept going? How about factories
where your 500 employees leave work and then intermingle with another 5,000 folks in
the span of a weekend?
So easy to armchair quarterback after the fact.
Mr. Willy
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You see, right there is the fundamental difference between your philosophy and mine. You feel you need an “authority” to make important decisions for you (I mean the collective “you” here); whereas I believe people should be empowered to make important decisions for themselves. And no armchair quarterbacking here. I was saying we should open up last summer back when certain people were saying shutting everything down and keeping it shut down (that’s primarily what I mean, KEEPING it shut down for as long as we did) was going to cause more problems than the actual virus.
Donnie B.
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We can agree to disagree on some aspects of this whole debacle, but unemployment
is not welfare. It's money that you and your employers have to contribute each paycheck
into an insurance fund for those that lose their jobs no fault of their own.
And I dislike the negative connotations about welfare. I grew up on it - single mom (dad left),
3 kids, and my mom working full-time wasn't enough to keep the bills paid or food on the
table.
METRIC TONS of abuse in any massive government system, but it's unfair to lump everyone
on welfare into a group.
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Dyllheaven88
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People should also be able to make a living wage at their job … if you know anything about American economics the strongest time in this country was in the mid 50s early 60s . When a blue collar job could raise a family and own a home . Wage gaps are fucking atrocious. Health care is a garbage fire . but bezos probably paid less taxes this year then half the people that posted in this thread . Makes a lot of sense eh
Donnie B.
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NO NO NO.
But with a communicable sickness that many had chosen to ignore, or simply disbelieve it was real? People can't be trusted.
Why are folks so upset that cruise ships want proof of vaccination before selling you are ticket? People can't be trusted.
Mr. Willy
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I did not think I was doing that. I did not refer to welfare as a slant, pretty sure I said that. Please don’t insinuate that I was lumping everyone on welfare into one group because that’s NOT was I was doing. Frankly, with all due respect, this is your hang-up on the term welfare and what it means or doesn’t mean. I still consider unemployment to be a form of welfare. It’s an entitlement. Perhaps that’s a better term. Again, nowhere in this conversation have I cast aversion on anyone who is the beneficiary of a government entitlement. Some folks truly need help, and thank God for a government that can and does help those folks.
Donnie B.
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My comment was general and not personal. Sorry it came across that way to you.
Enjoyed the talk Mr. Willy of Rhoadsville.
Mr. Willy
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Enjoyed the talk Mr. Willy of Rhoadsville.
You too, man. I really hope things are going well for you. I think we need to listen to some good music and play some guitar on a fine Saturday like today. ??
Donnie B.
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VESmedic
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Do cruise ships ask for vax info on the flu? What about hep B? Polio? Where exactly do you draw the line? The politized virus because bad orange man was in office that has a 99.7 percent recovery rate is the line in which a company has the right to ask you questions about your vaccination status? What country is this?
lucky for me, I live in Florida, where we have a governor who actually has a set of balls to stop this onslaught of horseshit that’s under the guise of “science” and “public safety”.
Donnie B.
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You know why it's called a novel virus, right? Same restrictions happened last time a novel
virus hit. Wonder if people bitched and moaned like babies back then too?
As far as making a germ political? Well, the bug hit all over the planet and it's only the US with a huge
amount of people choosing to make it culture war.
And let's put a hold on the numbers and results for a bit as far as states go. Not sure anyone's published
numbers that are believable or worth a shit right now. Especially little mini-me in Florida.
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