THE FRACTAL DEBACLE

[King Crimson]

 

[Ventura]

Poindexter is a very good description of sorts. Never thought of that one, but ya, definitely a good term to use. I may have to lob that one around over there and see how it gets digested

V.

Probably as well as your Nazi comment

As a point of clarification, it was the term 'Gestapo' that was referenced... And yes, that didn't go over quite the way I was expecting it to. There are a lot of very sensitive men over on that site.

Whatever.

V.

This was the funniest part! They didn't like being compared to a Gestapo...so...they proceeded to act like a Gestapo when they banned you for no reason whatsoever. I hope you thanked them for proving your point!

Like I said, I appreciated Fractal a lot more once I received direct communications from Cliff and Tom King. The rest of 'em can carry on with their holier than thou GESTAPO mentalities...

Er, as for your post KC, there's no crybabies here m'man... Just a lot of bemusement as to something that is just so weird and wrong on SO many levels.

Cheers,
Mo

 

[Man With Gas]

The worst part of them is their fans ...they are off the hook .sometimes I wonder if most of the forum is 15 .It reminds me a lot of HC
People creating threads like is it shipping yet? you said 2 weeks you said 2 weeks,It is not surprising that Cliff does not want to release information.
I fear the countdown might have backfired for this reason .He should have waited a month or 2 till the unit were in stock IMO.
The best part of that forum while Beta testing meant Jay Mitchell was busy .So before you guys go off on Peterson ,Go read some of Jay's quality responses to questions.
I have to believe that is his internet personality because if he is like that in person ...I could see him going through life getting repeated beatings

Because of the above two zealots and hypocrites I will never buy an AXE FX or any of Fractal's products again.

The FA site and most of its forumites are a cult.

Peterson and Mitchell as moderators are bullies and not just on the FA site. Did I mention blind zealots?

I look forward to when another company either swamps FA or buys them out. This is what normally happens to the vast majority of smaller technology companies, so it's just a matter of time.

For the record the AXE FX will never sound and feel like a real tube amp, it's a facsimile of a tube amp and always will be no matter what slant they put on their sales pitch.

BTW: If any of you like it for live use that's great, just don't tell me it's as good or better than a real tube amp in a live setting.

Phew!!!... I now feel better getting that off my chest

 

[Rogue]

For the record the AXE FX will never sound and feel like a real tube amp, it's a facsimile of a tube amp and always will be no matter what slant they put on their sales pitch.

I believe the AxeFX will bring about the end of the world.

The paradox of it getting more perfecter with every update without the last update being in anyway inferior will eventually cause a rupture in the spacetime continuum locally and destroy the earth, and perhaps the inner solar system.

 

[glpg80]

BTW: If any of you like it for live use that's great, just don't tell me it's as good or better than a real tube amp in a live setting.

Phew!!!... I now feel better getting that off my chest

i disagree dude, in a live setting it actually IS better than a tube amplifier. less shit to carry, no maintenance, and you have full control of your sound going to the PA without ground issues or shit loads to carry by yourself. if you're a touring musician and have roadies to do the lifting/mic placement, can afford the added costs of shipping equipment, have time for a sound check, then no doubt i would use tube amp's live all day long. even then it is best to use iso cabinets IMHO.

the only other reason i would ever buy a modeling anything would be for live use, and if i ditched my amplifiers and cabinets/effects to do so, i would be investing in an extremely nice PA system to go along with it. i wouldnt be spending 2k on a modeling unit, id rather spend 300 on a used HD500 because at that point the music matters more in a live setting and a good PA can make or break yours and the crowd's overall experience. who's running the board is a whole different topic in itself.

in a studio, its a whole different ballgame. at home or studio, analog anything tubes, mic pre's, mic's, recording, etc. rule the game - always have, always will.

 

[duodecim]

I believe the AxeFX will bring about the end of the world.

The paradox of it getting more perfecter with every update without the last update being in anyway inferior will eventually cause a rupture in the spacetime continuum locally and destroy the earth, and perhaps the inner solar system.

+1. It's a given.

Any date predictions?

 

[ttosh]

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[Bronco]

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Hey not trying to be an ass here, but what does it mean when someone only posts "..." and nothing else?

 

[Ventura]

I believe the AxeFX will bring about the end of the world.

The paradox of it getting more perfecter with every update without the last update being in anyway inferior will eventually cause a rupture in the spacetime continuum locally and destroy the earth, and perhaps the inner solar system.

+1. It's a given.

Any date predictions?

Well, I think the Mayans, being the original creators of the Axe's algorithms set it right at Dec. 21, 2012. My guess is the firmware, that's yet to be realized but by cosmic law, will most certainly be realized, and set for public release the eve of Dec. 20, 2012 will be the catalyst in all of this. Upon upgrade, that's it, armageddon.

V.

 

[aftec]

I have my standard for almost 3,5 years. I still like it and use it. The Standard and Ultra was dead a year ago, that was the last update before v11. I was planning buying an MFC and stuff, but I will not spend a dime on FA gear from now on.
Trust is gone.

 

[ttosh]

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Hey not trying to be an ass here, but what does it mean when someone only posts "..." and nothing else?

I decided not to muddy up this thread so I started a new thread, you cannot delete your post and have to have some text to save, so ... seemed to work for me. The other thread was a parody thread towards the Axe. I dig the unit so it is just all in fun and a quite good analogy for those that loves tubes and think that digital is a replica of the real thing, only getting more real.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=95250

 

[Gorehog]

I have my standard for almost 3,5 years. I still like it and use it. The Standard and Ultra was dead a year ago, that was the last update before v11. I was planning buying an MFC and stuff, but I will not spend a dime on FA gear from now on.
Trust is gone.

AGREED 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i bought my standard in january.had i known...

bye bye FA.not interested.

rather give my money to Suhr on the new Pete Thorn amp or to Dave Friedman.

there will be no more flying the flag of FA from me!

 

[Bronco]

...

Hey not trying to be an ass here, but what does it mean when someone only posts "..." and nothing else?

I decided not to muddy up this thread so I started a new thread, you cannot delete your post and have to have some text to save, so ... seemed to work for me.

ahh...right right right...makes total sense. Thanks!

 

[Gorehog]

i commented on a FRACTAL fb post about how i was upset.they deleted my post.

,,i, SCREW'EM

 

[Spaceboy]

You dudes take are taking this all way too seriously, IMO.

 

[Gorehog]

thousands of dollars is serious to me.

 

[ttosh]

Fractals forum and sites delete anything they deem a negative towards the product. I have seen it happen many times so any moderator that wants to deny it over there either A) does not know others are doing it or B) just do not care and care more about the image than the full truth of the product.

I like the concept and the thought comes and goes to get one. I still have yet to hear in a room or clip the open organic tone of the tube amps I have had. I realize some tube amps are stiff and sterile as well, and the Axe FX does a good job hitting those. I have heard with with some great power amps, etc... It is an inspiring unit with the routing and the effects but I found it way to easy to over process your tone to make up for what it lacks in pure tube goodness.

This is only an opinion, my opinion so don't go saying it can do all these things if I tweak more, or get different ears or fingers or whatever. I know guys like Ventura have gotten great tones out of it, he digs it a lot and I trust his input on tone. A lot of others that I talk to and trust do not dig it.

I think Cliff did the ultimate marketing tool by introducing VVT. A whole new way to model amps that is even better than the old units. It is a two way incentive. First the Axe FX users think deep down their unit is obsolete and have to have the new ones. The tube guys that were open to it and tried and decided to move away from it now can say, wow is this one enough better to actually do what I want. So here comes high demand and low supply for the next 3 years till the Axe FX III comes out and we do this all over again!!!

YMMV

 

[Spaceboy]

thousands of dollars is serious to me.

Those who are sore about the older Axe FX's being outdated and no longer getting firmware updates (although, isn't there supposed to be?), could sell the older units for around 1500 for the ultra to put towards the new product, which is a difference of 700, not thousands. Yeah, that's still a lot of money, but that's how the computer industry works. Just as you invest and get comfortable with a product, something will come along that takes things a step further. It's no different with home computers, studio equipment, televisions, car stereos, etc.

... or maybe I just don't get it since I didn't have an Ultra/Standard before. But, those older models still sound great, don't they?

 

[jlbaxe]

thousands of dollars is serious to me.

Those who are sore about the older Axe FX's being outdated and no longer getting firmware updates (although, isn't there supposed to be?), could sell the older units for around 1500 for the ultra to put towards the new product, which is a difference of 700, not thousands. Yeah, that's still a lot of money, but that's how the computer industry works. Just as you invest and get comfortable with a product, something will come along that takes things a step further. It's no different with home computers, studio equipment, televisions, car stereos, etc.

... or maybe I just don't get it since I didn't have an Ultra/Standard before. But, those older models still sound great, don't they?

I'm going to use my Ultra for delays and reverbs etc in my Bogner 20th A XTC effects loop. Not much different than people using a TC 2290 or Lexicon and those are pricey also. The AFX II will go where my Ultra is.

I don't feel my Ultra is obsolete, does more than my TC 2290 and I paid 1600 for that/ sold it for 1200, and it is only a delay unit. The TC is all 0's and 1's and people will swear they are the greatest delay units. I think if you find something you like And it works for you, that is all that matters.

Oh and my Ultra still sounds great to ME.

 

[King Crimson]

Er, as for your post KC, there's no crybabies here m'man... Just a lot of bemusement as to something that is just so weird and wrong on SO many levels.

Cheers,
Mo