The Second Amendment and David Hogg

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Ok, but I'm taking a fifteen minute break first.

I derive my morals from the bible and the church which wrote the bible. Am I cool with God killing children at will? I dunno if I'd state it that way. I'd state that there was nothing I can do about it, so what God wills, will be. Many of his saints were martyred, he allowed that, so what makes anyone more special? You're using children to develop a more emotional argument.

I'm using children because they are innocent. You say these people deserved to die. Ok maybe the argument could be made that the adults deserved it. BUT THE ARGUMENT CANNOT BE MADE THAT THE CHILDREN DID.

Also God is ALL KNOWING right?
 
I'm using children because they are innocent. You say these people deserved to die. Ok maybe the argument could be made that the adults deserved it. BUT THE ARGUMENT CANNOT BE MADE THAT THE CHILDREN DID.

Also God is ALL KNOWING right?
Ahh, but Crazynutz, god can see into the future and tell they were going to do bad things, therefore he got'em first, minority report style. And children are born with a sin nature anyways, so there's that!
 
Ahh, but Crazynutz, god can see into the future and tell they were going to do bad things, therefore he got'em first, minority report style. And children are born with a sin nature anyways, so there's that!

God is all knowing, so he creating them with the FULL KNOWLEDGE of what they would do. He created them to murder them.
 
In the bible, they deserved it. Your personal moral judgments notwithstanding.

And your moral judgement on the killings in the bible is that they deserved it. See how that works?

"Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.” - 1 Samuel 15:3

I thought God was "pro life". Hmmmm. Let's look into that...

Numbers 5:11-31 - The Test for an Unfaithful Wife​

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

Did the child who died due to its mother's sin in verse 27 deserve to die?
 
I'm using children because they are innocent. You say these people deserved to die. Ok maybe the argument could be made that the adults deserved it. BUT THE ARGUMENT CANNOT BE MADE THAT THE CHILDREN DID.

Also God is ALL KNOWING right?
I'm saying so what? You say they are innocent. Perhaps the Lord was removing them from contemptible parents who would make them evil. If he is the author of life then he can take and give. if he is just life is restored, so where is the crime? You are judging from your limited knowledge of that time. God has full knowledge and assures his scales are just.
 
Sorry Johnny. It's already been ruled by the Supreme Court. Cops have no obligation to protect you. NONE. Warren vs District of Columbia, Deshaney vs Winnebago county department of social services etc etc
And those decisions, just like the Dredd Scott decision, are wrong.
 
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And your moral judgement on the killings in the bible is that they deserved it. See how that works?
No, that's just what scripture is saying. In the flood incident the world was full of violence and was corrupt. Men only planned evil all day long. So they were destroyed. Pretty straight forward.
 
Ahh, but Crazynutz, god can see into the future and tell they were going to do bad things, therefore he got'em first, minority report style. And children are born with a sin nature anyways, so there's that!
"minority report style". LMAO That's perfect. Your post won the internet today.
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I typically don’t get in to gun discussions but I have a question about licensing and permits;
Are there different levels of a license in order to own different types of guns? Like once you get a permit, can you just go right in and buy a little pistol and a ar-15?
 
I'm saying so what? You say they are innocent. Perhaps the Lord was removing them from contemptible parents who would make them evil. If he is the author of life then he can take and give. if he is just life is restored, so where is the crime? You are judging from your limited knowledge of that time. God has full knowledge and assures his scales are just.

God has full knowledge, so he created these parents knowing they would be contemptible. He created them to murder them, and their children.
If you say he didn't know before hand, then he's not omnipotent.

Do you think God needed to murder these people, and children by drowning? Or could the all powerful God have been more humane?
Like just snapped fingers, and they fall lifeless?

Do you think the innocent children (not yet corrupted by the parents) that obviously suffered a horrendous death, did they go to heaven?
 
No, that's just what scripture is saying. In the flood incident the world was full of violence and was corrupt. Men only planned evil all day long. So they were destroyed. Pretty straight forward.
And it's your moral judgment that the bible is trustworthy.
Men only planned evil all day long. So they were destroyed. Pretty straight forward.
Men are adults. Why were the children drowned?
 
I typically don’t get in to gun discussions but I have a question about licensing and permits;
Are there different levels of a license in order to own different types of guns? Like once you get a permit, can you just go right in and buy a little pistol and a ar-15?
Check your state and local laws. They are more stringent in your state. Otherwise if you were in a normal state you'd go fill out a form, they'd NICS check you to see if you were a prohibited person, and if you weren't you could buy pretty much anything you want short of machine guns, sawed off shotguns, suppressed weapons, and ordnance.
 
I typically don’t get in to gun discussions but I have a question about licensing and permits;
Are there different levels of a license in order to own different types of guns? Like once you get a permit, can you just go right in and buy a little pistol and a ar-15?

In Texas no.

Only things that would require extra permitting/licensing would be full auto, and some attachments. Stuff like that.

AR-15's are not full auto, so they are treated like a pistol yes

BTW the gun range I go to, they regularly bring by a full auto AR (or M16, or M4), and a full auto AK, fun as shit. But expensive to shoot :hys:
 
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God has full knowledge, so he created these parents knowing they would be contemptible. He created them to murder them, and their children.
If you say he didn't know before hand, then he's not omnipotent.

Do you think God needed to murder these people, and children by drowning? Or could the all powerful God have been more humane?
Like just snapped fingers, and they fall lifeless?

Do you think the innocent children (not yet corrupted by the parents) that obviously suffered a horrendous death, did they go to heaven?
Yes but you have free will as did they. People choose their pathways and the two pathways are the right hand path, good or the left hand path, evil. You are presented with these choices daily. You sound like legal counsel who makes excuses for a criminal who is facing execution. The scripture says the earth was full of violence and that men plotted evil constantly. His own chosen people also did not fare well when they defied the Lord after leaving Egypt. The ground swallowed them up. He IS a jealous God. Fear of him is wisdom. That biblical. So even if you criticisms are fair you are like someone criticizing the boss. The boss doesn't have to care if you think he's wrong, you aren't the one running the business.
 
Check your state and local laws. They are more stringent in your state. Otherwise if you were in a normal state you'd go fill out a form, they'd NICS check you to see if you were a prohibited person, and if you weren't you could buy pretty much anything you want short of machine guns, sawed off shotguns, suppressed weapons, and ordnance.
In Texas no.

Only things that would require extra permitting/licensing would be full auto, and some attachments. Stuff like that.

AR-15's are not full auto, so they are treated like a pistol yes

That’s pretty wild to me. There are various classes of licenses for driving different vehicles, but not owning guns?
It seems like there would be a lot less of a stigma against guns if they were harder to get than say, a forklift operator license.

Guns are clearly not going to go away, but they will continue to get more sophisticated. they just seem so unregulated
 
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