Thinking of selling everything and getting a Kemper...

[Gainfreak]

You're not crazy at all although I wouldn't sell off everything

 

[fluff191]

The AxeFx vs. Kemper argument isnt really a valid one. They are 2 totally different things. One is for a gigging musician and the other is an amazing studio tool.

Having said that, no AxeFx I have heard has the Kemper's dynamics or detail. Here is the newest video I have made using a Kemper patch I created. So epic.

 

[Gainfreak]

The AxeFx vs. Kemper argument isnt really a valid one. They are 2 totally different things. One is for a gigging musician and the other is an amazing studio tool.

Having said that, no AxeFx I have heard has the Kemper's dynamics or detail. Here is the newest video I have made using a Kemper patch I created. So epic.

Both the Axe-fx and Kemper are amazing pieces of gear and each have their strengths depending upon what the user want's out of them.

This is my take on it. If you want a ton of effects,parameters to work with and you are an endless tweaker, Id lean more towards the AXE-FX.

If you don't need a ton of effects , don't want to have to tweak a sound in order to get it to sound like your amp and want to be up and running fast with tones that you can profile from a given amp, The Kemper is the way to go.


With that said, I don't agree with your statements regarding using the Kemper Live. I've read a few posts of yours now and for some reason I think that you have it stuck in your head that the Kemper is just a studio tool and it wont work live. That's not the case IMHO. I think that because the majority of people are using the Kemper in the studio that it's giving a false sense that it cannot be used live and that's not my findings at all. The Kemper can be used for live gigs and it actually KILLS for that. You are going to see more people using this live very soon, so I figured that Id give you a heads up Accept just made an announcement that they are using the KEMPER live and there will be more bands using it this way in the near future.

All the best

~R~

 

[zentman]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

 

[Vrad]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

Sounds like a typical gear debate doesn't it...
But that was not the intention of this thread... I'm thinking of a Kemper because the profiling concept intrigues me. The clips I've heard seems to capture tiny nuances and imperfections of the amp being profiled. I'm sure both are top notch pieces of gear.

 

[Vrad]

You're not crazy at all although I wouldn't sell off everything

I might keep the QR and cab.

 

[Gainfreak]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

No, Not at all. There are plenty of people who have had / owned both who have switched. Some have gone the axe route and other have gone the Kemper route. again, peoples decisions will be made based on what they want out of the piece of gear.

I used an AXE-FX Ultra for years and have switched to a KEMPER. If the Kemper was out at the same time the axe-fx was and I was able to try both, I still would have gone the Kemper route. The Kemper works better for what I want and I agree with Fluff 100% in that the Dynamics and detail = better on the KEMPER. I don't care if the aliasing is supposed to be better on the AXE, my ears tell me something different

all the best

~R~

 

[Gainfreak]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

Sounds like a typical gear debate doesn't it...
But that was not the intention of this thread... I'm thinking of a Kemper because the profiling concept intrigues me. The clips I've heard seems to capture tiny nuances and imperfections of the amp being profiled. I'm sure both are top notch pieces of gear.

Sup Vlad,

You are correct in your thinking The Kemper captures tiny nuances and imperfections of the amp being profiled for sure

 

[zentman]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

No, Not at all. There are plenty of people who have had / owned both who have switched. Some have gone the axe route and other have gone the Kemper route. again, peoples decisions will be made based on what they want out of the piece of gear.

I used an AXE-FX Ultra for years and have switched to a KEMPER. If the Kemper was out at the same time the axe-fx was and I was able to try both, I still would have gone the Kemper route. The Kemper works better for what I want and I agree with Fluff 100% in that the Dynamics and detail = better on the KEMPER. I don't care if the aliasing is supposed to be better on the AXE, my ears tell me something different

all the best

~R~

I think the Axe II is a bit different than the Ultra. Jus sayin. I think the Kemper sounds awesome but as a poster who owns both said above "there isn't a thing the Kemper can do that the axe can't do as well" . I see a lot of guys who own both post that. I see guys who own both sell the Axe and keep the Kemper and I also see the opposite.

I have heard clips of either that were perfect.


That being said this is a Kemper thread about a guy getting a Kemper. Why the axe is even being discussed is beyond me.

 

[fluff191]

With that said, I don't agree with your statements regarding using the Kemper Live. I've read a few posts of yours now and for some reason I think that you have it stuck in your head that the Kemper is just a studio tool and it wont work live. That's not the case IMHO. I think that because the majority of people are using the Kemper in the studio that it's giving a false sense that it cannot be used live and that's not my findings at all. The Kemper can be used for live gigs and it actually KILLS for that. You are going to see more people using this live very soon, so I figured that Id give you a heads up Accept just made an announcement that they are using the KEMPER live and there will be more bands using it this way in the near future.

All the best

~R~

I know lots of folks are using the Kemper live. And you are right it does sound amazing for that. I have never said I wont work for a live situation. But I generally refer to it as a studio tool because its purpose is to capture a mic'd setup which IMO has its most usable application in the studio environment. And thats what all of Mr. Kempers videos are demoing: him switching back and forth in a studio. That was the selling point ya know?

 

[Devin]

Honestly man for what you are wanting to do, I think you should check out a Yamaha THR10!

I played one while on vacation in Florida and it simply blew me away. As soon as I got home I had to order one.


It is, IMO, simply the ultimate at-home guitar amp. It sounds incredible even at whisper volumes, and looks really cool too

You could even use headphones with it if you like.

It has a killer usb output that lets you record a stereo track of the tone you have dialed up and a dry DI signal simultaneously, which is freaking awesome! You can take advantage of the dry track for re-amping or by adding amp sim VST's to it to add different tones to your mix. It also doubles as a monitor! No more tracking with headphones unless you really want to you can also hook up your iphone or laptop and play along with tunes and it really sounds as if you were part of the recording. It gives you the ability to control the mix of your guitar vs. aux track. Simply awesome.


For one, it's by far the most user-friendly modeling amp I've played. No endless parameters to tweak - only the things you need to dial in tones quickly and easily. Most importantly though, it sounds and FEELS amazing to play. From clean to mid gain crunch to insane brutal metal, it can do it all.

Here's the first quick and dirty clip I recorded with it - some heavy shit:

https://soundcloud.com/devinchaseortego/ ... n-amp-test


I highly recommend checking one out if you haven't, you could save yourself over a thousand dollars if it does it for you

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Kemper needs to come out with the "street Kemp" listed at 499$ and offers you 10 diff amps but with no ability to profile. Just make it stripped down and rugged for the road so that you can plug into your JMP or modded Marshall, throw some pedals out front, and rock. Give it an effects loop and bang! thousands of units sold. It would be a POD and modeler killer.

As for selling everything, don't do it. You know you'll want the real deal back. Keep one or two amps and some good cabs and sell the rest.

 

[Gainfreak]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

No, Not at all. There are plenty of people who have had / owned both who have switched. Some have gone the axe route and other have gone the Kemper route. again, peoples decisions will be made based on what they want out of the piece of gear.

I used an AXE-FX Ultra for years and have switched to a KEMPER. If the Kemper was out at the same time the axe-fx was and I was able to try both, I still would have gone the Kemper route. The Kemper works better for what I want and I agree with Fluff 100% in that the Dynamics and detail = better on the KEMPER. I don't care if the aliasing is supposed to be better on the AXE, my ears tell me something different

all the best

~R~

I think the Axe II is a bit different than the Ultra. Jus sayin. I think the Kemper sounds awesome but as a poster who owns both said above "there isn't a thing the Kemper can do that the axe can't do as well" . I see a lot of guys who own both post that. I see guys who own both sell the Axe and keep the Kemper and I also see the opposite.

I have heard clips of either that were perfect.


That being said this is a Kemper thread about a guy getting a Kemper. Why the axe is even being discussed is beyond me.

Yep. I agree with you. I'm sure the AXE II is different for sure and I can only go by my experience of what I was using at the time. I figure that the specifics of how the AXE II works, I feel that it is very similar to what I had and the Kemper just works better for what I want it to do.

I think it's just nature of the beast that once the Kemper is mentioned that the AXE FX will creep into the thread and vice versa

 

[tweed]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

No, Not at all. There are plenty of people who have had / owned both who have switched. Some have gone the axe route and other have gone the Kemper route. again, peoples decisions will be made based on what they want out of the piece of gear.

I used an AXE-FX Ultra for years and have switched to a KEMPER. If the Kemper was out at the same time the axe-fx was and I was able to try both, I still would have gone the Kemper route. The Kemper works better for what I want and I agree with Fluff 100% in that the Dynamics and detail = better on the KEMPER. I don't care if the aliasing is supposed to be better on the AXE, my ears tell me something different

all the best

~R~

I think the Axe II is a bit different than the Ultra. Jus sayin. I think the Kemper sounds awesome but as a poster who owns both said above "there isn't a thing the Kemper can do that the axe can't do as well" . I see a lot of guys who own both post that. I see guys who own both sell the Axe and keep the Kemper and I also see the opposite.

I have heard clips of either that were perfect.


That being said this is a Kemper thread about a guy getting a Kemper. Why the axe is even being discussed is beyond me.

Yep. I agree with you. I'm sure the AXE II is different for sure and I can only go by my experience of what I was using at the time. I figure that the specifics of how the AXE II works, I feel that it is very similar to what I had and the Kemper just works better for what I want it to do.

I think it's just nature of the beast that once the Kemper is mentioned that the AXE FX will creep into the thread and vice versa

That's all well and good Ralph...

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING CLIPS ALREADY!!!!!!!!

CAK!!!

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

That yamaha amp sounds just like a modeler to me... but this was a funny pump for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_n6adsWsA (notice how crappy his tone is though, very bass heavy)

 

[Gainfreak]

With that said, I don't agree with your statements regarding using the Kemper Live. I've read a few posts of yours now and for some reason I think that you have it stuck in your head that the Kemper is just a studio tool and it wont work live. That's not the case IMHO. I think that because the majority of people are using the Kemper in the studio that it's giving a false sense that it cannot be used live and that's not my findings at all. The Kemper can be used for live gigs and it actually KILLS for that. You are going to see more people using this live very soon, so I figured that Id give you a heads up Accept just made an announcement that they are using the KEMPER live and there will be more bands using it this way in the near future.

All the best

~R~

I know lots of folks are using the Kemper live. And you are right it does sound amazing for that. I have never said I wont work for a live situation. But I generally refer to it as a studio tool because its purpose is to capture a mic'd setup which IMO has its most usable application in the studio environment. And thats what all of Mr. Kempers videos are demoing: him switching back and forth in a studio. That was the selling point ya know?

First, I don't want you to take my comments as harsh because you should already know that I'm a fan of what you do and you are
one of the 3 people who made me decide to get a Kemper I had to move some gear but it was worth it

I know that you never said it blatantly, but in more then one of your posts you made the comment that the AXE FX works for live and the KEMPER is a studio piece.
Whether or not you meant it, your comments read that way and it could deter people from getting the Kemper to use for live gigs.
I just think that comment gives a false sense of what the Kemper can do, so I figured that id mention that.
I also don't agree with your studio tool analogy because the purpose of Live work is to also CAPTURE A MIC'D up rig setup. The KEMPER allows you to go to the FOH and eliminate the mic. It allows you to control your sound without having the sound guy have to mic up your amp and possibly pick the wrong Mic placement.

How I plan on using it, besides using it at home, is to use it live going to the FOH and then sending the monitor out signal to a pair of tech 21 power engines so that I can have a stage monitor reference.

Just my useless 0.02
all the best!

~R~

 

[Spaceboy]

That yamaha amp sounds just like a modeler to me... but this was a funny pump for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_n6adsWsA (notice how crappy his tone is though, very bass heavy)

that sounds good to me considering its only a 300 buck modeler with included 3" speakers and has some other nifty features... think of it as a pod competitor not an amplifier... definitely not something i would choose over the kemper though

 

[Gainfreak]

So basically guys with a Kemper say it's the best evar! Guys with an Axe II say it's the best evar! Guys with both say it's toss up. Do I have it about right?

No, Not at all. There are plenty of people who have had / owned both who have switched. Some have gone the axe route and other have gone the Kemper route. again, peoples decisions will be made based on what they want out of the piece of gear.

I used an AXE-FX Ultra for years and have switched to a KEMPER. If the Kemper was out at the same time the axe-fx was and I was able to try both, I still would have gone the Kemper route. The Kemper works better for what I want and I agree with Fluff 100% in that the Dynamics and detail = better on the KEMPER. I don't care if the aliasing is supposed to be better on the AXE, my ears tell me something different

all the best

~R~

I think the Axe II is a bit different than the Ultra. Jus sayin. I think the Kemper sounds awesome but as a poster who owns both said above "there isn't a thing the Kemper can do that the axe can't do as well" . I see a lot of guys who own both post that. I see guys who own both sell the Axe and keep the Kemper and I also see the opposite.

I have heard clips of either that were perfect.


That being said this is a Kemper thread about a guy getting a Kemper. Why the axe is even being discussed is beyond me.

Yep. I agree with you. I'm sure the AXE II is different for sure and I can only go by my experience of what I was using at the time. I figure that the specifics of how the AXE II works, I feel that it is very similar to what I had and the Kemper just works better for what I want it to do.

I think it's just nature of the beast that once the Kemper is mentioned that the AXE FX will creep into the thread and vice versa

That's all well and good Ralph...

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING CLIPS ALREADY!!!!!!!!

CAK!!!

 

[fluff191]

First, I don't want you to take my comments as harsh because you should already know that I'm a fan of what you do and you are
one of the 3 people who made me decide to get a Kemper I had to move some gear but it was worth it

I know that you never said it blatantly, but in more then one of your posts you made the comment that the AXE FX works for live and the KEMPER is a studio piece.
Whether or not you meant it, your comments read that way and it could deter people from getting the Kemper to use for live gigs.
I just think that comment gives a false sense of what the Kemper can do, so I figured that id mention that.
I also don't agree with your studio tool analogy because the purpose of Live work is to also CAPTURE A MIC'D up rig setup. The KEMPER allows you to go to the FOH and eliminate the mic. It allows you to control your sound without having the sound guy have to mic up your amp and possibly pick the wrong Mic placement.

How I plan on using it, besides using it at home, is to use it live going to the FOH and then sending the monitor out signal to a pair of tech 21 power engines so that I can have a stage monitor reference.

Just my useless 0.02
all the best!

~R~

No no wasn't taking them harsh at all. We are just a couple of gear heads discussing a botchin' piece of gear!

And might I point out, the fact that we are basically arguing 2 very good points really shows just how versitle and awesome the Kemper is. "A Ferrari is for DRIVING ON THE WEEKENDS!!" "Nooooo a Ferrari IS FOR RACING!!" ya know?

 

[Gainfreak]

First, I don't want you to take my comments as harsh because you should already know that I'm a fan of what you do and you are
one of the 3 people who made me decide to get a Kemper I had to move some gear but it was worth it

I know that you never said it blatantly, but in more then one of your posts you made the comment that the AXE FX works for live and the KEMPER is a studio piece.
Whether or not you meant it, your comments read that way and it could deter people from getting the Kemper to use for live gigs.
I just think that comment gives a false sense of what the Kemper can do, so I figured that id mention that.
I also don't agree with your studio tool analogy because the purpose of Live work is to also CAPTURE A MIC'D up rig setup. The KEMPER allows you to go to the FOH and eliminate the mic. It allows you to control your sound without having the sound guy have to mic up your amp and possibly pick the wrong Mic placement.

How I plan on using it, besides using it at home, is to use it live going to the FOH and then sending the monitor out signal to a pair of tech 21 power engines so that I can have a stage monitor reference.

Just my useless 0.02
all the best!

~R~

No no wasn't taking them harsh at all. We are just a couple of gear heads discussing a botchin' piece of gear!

And might I point out, the fact that we are basically arguing 2 very good points really shows just how versitle and awesome the Kemper is. "A Ferrari is for DRIVING ON THE WEEKENDS!!" "Nooooo a Ferrari IS FOR RACING!!" ya know?

YOU ROCK!! (forgot to mention that I loved the new video... No surprise there )

I try and make a habit to make sure that I'm not coming off as sounding negative because you never know how someone is going to perceive what I was trying to say. Well there is that and then there is the fact that I've never been good at putting my thought into words ! I've read many of my posts and said...WTF was I thinking/ trying to say