This isn’t one you guys right ?

[Omnipotent1]

I always go 4x12, one 4x12

That’s all I ever used, tho my buddy stores a 2x12 orange ppc I currently use as an end table.. no disrespect. I’m just out of space..

depends on which 4x12 and which 2x12, and for what purpose?

If you're playing in a funk covers band im sure the 2x12 is fine

If you're playing in a metal band that's big enough to have good sound reinforcement all the time i'm sure it's fine too

But most of the time if you're playing rock/metal/punk you're best served with a 4x12


In a recording situation, it also depends on the genre and tone you're going for, but you're generally only micing one speaker at a time so it isn't as big of a deal

Normally people have a single "favorite" speaker that they mic whether its a 4x12,2x12, 1x12, or 8x12

I figured that was the case typically 1 favored speaker at a time, but my suspicion is the resonance from the cab may play a part in the tone during recording for a secondary mic placed further back? Idk wasn’t sure if 2x12 provided any benefit in a certain frequency spectrum..

I have never had interest in 2x12s. It seems weird to me

Talking high gain metal- This is my bias, & I know it’s not right.. I just can’t help but look at a 2x12 & feel like I’m experiencing a botched circumcision..

Am I ever?

Touché.. you had me…

 

[VonBonfire]

It's funny because you can always tell the "i just started doing this" guitarists with their gigantic 2' by 4' pedalboards with the three strymons and 5 different fuzz pedals, and the "i literally have been doing this for decades" guitarists because they will have the most streamlined, idiotproof rigs imaginable

This is why I have a chunk of velcro on top of my amp for a basic one overdrive pedal arrangement....in the case of the tiny venue/postage stamp stage. A couple times I watched the next guitarist have to set up on the dance floor cause he had about 20 pedals on a board, lol.

 

[DanTravis62]

This is why I have a chunk of velcro on top of my amp for a basic one overdrive pedal arrangement....in the case of the tiny venue/postage stamp stage. A couple times I watched the next guitarist have to set up on the dance floor cause he had about 20 pedals on a board, lol.

I just set my pedalboard on top of my amp if that happens

Honestly it's only happened once though

I would rather take up that real estate with glass and iron than BOOTEEEK fuzz pedals

 

[VonBonfire]

I just set my pedalboard on top of my amp if that happens

Honestly it's only happened once though

I would rather take up that real estate with glass and iron than BOOTEEEK fuzz pedals

Lol, I made the little legs tall enough on my board so the power supply underneath will clear the Fender handle on top of the amp if needed.

 

[DanTravis62]

Lol, I made the little legs tall enough on my board so the power supply underneath will clear the Fender handle on top of the amp if needed.

That's so funny, great minds think alike

I always leave a handle sized void in the middle of the bottom of my board, when I machine them, just in case

it makes it so when all the gear is stacked up in a van or truck it doesn't move around as much, either

 

[VonBonfire]

That's so funny, great minds think alike

I always leave a handle sized void in the middle of the bottom of my board, when I machine them, just in case

it makes it so when all the gear is stacked up in a van or truck it doesn't move around as much, either

Small details can add up to a lot of extra convenience!

 

[japetus]

Small details can add up to a lot of extra convenience!

I wonder how many bands back in the 70's toured with no tubes and when their amps broke down , and if I revealed to them the POD 2.0, at what level of their inspiration and awe rise to

 

[VonBonfire]

I wonder how many bands back in the 70's toured with no tubes and when their amps broke down , and if I revealed to them the POD 2.0, at what level of their inspiration and awe rise to

Probably didn't need to carry much in the way of spares since tv and stereo repair shops actually still existed, techs were more common, and tubes were still abundant.

 

[japetus]

Probably didn't need to carry much in the way of spares since tv and stereo repair shops actually still existed, techs were more common, and tubes were still abundant.

What a beautiful time to be alive!

 

[DrewJD82]

Okay, I have a challenge for both of you

I want to see you guys pack that "rig" up, and drive it to a club, and set it up and be ready to play in 15 minutes without roadies or enlisting your entire friend group

Seriously, if you can get that shit set up (including the laptops! ROFL) in the 15 minutes you generally get as changeover time between bands, I wanna know exactly how, because apparently every gigging player in the universe has some shit they need to learn from you

Hahahah well, if it were my rig it’d all be connected with one snake and breakout boxes on either end so it’d just be wheeling some shit in and plugging in maybe six to seven labeled 1/4” jacks and at least one IEC, but likely 2.

Don’t need a laptop at a gig because if you’re tweakin’ fuckin’ presets at the gig ya haven’t done your homework. No one gives a shit your delay mix is 14.4% and not 15% and if the issue is worse than that give yourself a time out for showin’ up unprepared.

All that said, I wouldn’t gig that rig unless it sat in a trailer, inside road cases with functioning casters, all the rest of the time it wasn’t onstage. I live on the 2nd floor, fuck that shit!

 

[DanTravis62]

Hahahah well, if it were my rig it’d all be connected with one snake and breakout boxes on either end so it’d just be wheeling some shit in and plugging in maybe five 1/4” jacks and at least one IEC, but likely 2.

Don’t need a laptop at a gig because if you’re tweakin’ fuckin’ presets at the gig ya haven’t done your homework. No one gives a shit your delay mix is 14.4% and not 15% and if the issue is worse than that give yourself a time out for showin’ up unprepared.

All that said, I wouldn’t gig that rig unless it sat in a trailer, inside road cases with functioning casters, all the rest of the time it wasn’t onstage. I live on the 2nd floor, fuck that shit!

Exactly, so at what point is it a "rig" if you couldn't or wouldn't gig it?

And oh no, you can have breakout boxes and snaked, but you have to connect every speaker wire from it's amp to the cabinet, and every I/O cable

 

[DrewJD82]

Exactly, so at what point is it a "rig" if you couldn't or wouldn't gig it?

And oh no, you can have breakout boxes and snaked, but you have to connect every speaker wire from it's amp to the cabinet, and every I/O cable

I’m curious if the dude who posted it actually gigs or not. I can certainly say that in all my gigging years I’ve known like 3 dudes who have rolled up to a local gig with a full stack, I was one and one of my guitarists was the other after I convinced him “just because we can” was a good enough reason.

 

[DanTravis62]

I’m curious if the dude who posted it actually gigs or not. I can certainly say that in all my gigging years I’ve known like 3 dudes who have rolled up to a local gig with a full stack, I was one and one of my guitarists was the other after I convinced him “just because we can” was a good enough reason.

A full stack is certainly loud and big, but you can EASILY set it up in 15 minutes. EASILY

This rig, with 3 fractals, 2 laptops, 2 road kings, 8 2x12s, and a rack? Good luck

 

[japetus]

A full stack is certainly loud and big, but you can EASILY set it up in 15 minutes. EASILY

This rig, with 3 fractals, 2 laptops, 2 road kings, 8 2x12s, and a rack? Good luck

Gotta hire a team

 

[rstites]

what’s everyone’s feelings regarding 2x12 vs 4x12 jamming / recording? I’m curious..

I have no general thoughts. It depends on speakers, construction, specific setup, etc. I have two old Marshall 4x12s around and two old Mesa vertical 2x12s. Both are great for their purpose. With higher gain speakers, most of the reason for the 4x12s is to be big enough to hold a full-sized head, I swear. But I still love them and mine aren't going anywhere.

I really like those vertical 2x12s with separate speakers top and bottom. For recording it has the advantage of two different speaker setups for different sounds. I use those with my Mesa MKIII's and rack system.

I've also run one with a small rack before where I could mic the bottom and control my own amplifier level on stage with the top. It was a mono setup but I ran stereo into the two speakers just to allow separate volume control.

 

[cardinal]

what’s everyone’s feelings regarding 2x12 vs 4x12 jamming / recording? I’m curious..

Generally I've found that with the same speakers, a 2x12 sounds generally more hollow/clear/lean than a 4x12 IME.

But sometimes I've preferred something over a 4x12. When I had a C+, I preferred it with a mini stack of two 1x12 EVM cabs over the 4x12s I had. And my favorite rig probably ever is a JMP 2x12 combo with blackback G12Ms with a 2x12 closed back extension cab with g12-65s.

 

[311boogieman]

It is either someone trying to create a backup rig or someone trying to compensate.

 

[Omnipotent1]

I have no general thoughts. It depends on speakers, construction, specific setup, etc. I have two old Marshall 4x12s around and two old Mesa vertical 2x12s. Both are great for their purpose. With higher gain speakers, most of the reason for the 4x12s is to be big enough to hold a full-sized head, I swear. But I still love them and mine aren't going anywhere.

I really like those vertical 2x12s with separate speakers top and bottom. For recording it has the advantage of two different speaker setups for different sounds. I use those with my Mesa MKIII's and rack system.

I've also run one with a small rack before where I could mic the bottom and control my own amplifier level on stage with the top. It was a mono setup but I ran stereo into the two speakers just to allow separate volume control.

Generally I've found that with the same speakers, a 2x12 sounds generally more hollow/clear/lean than a 4x12 IME.

But sometimes I've preferred something over a 4x12. When I had a C+, I preferred it with a mini stack of two 1x12 EVM cabs over the 4x12s I had. And my favorite rig probably ever is a JMP 2x12 combo with blackback G12Ms with a 2x12 closed back extension cab with g12-65s.

Thank you guys for the insight, I really need to pull the ppc212 out & give it another go. Only used it once.. I love the 412 & it just feels massive in comparison but when it comes to recording I know what we feel in the room goes out the window.. So I figured I’d ask. Sounds like the 212 might offer a “tighter more focused” sound when needed My set up is almost complete so I’ll be finding out soon enough. Much appreciated gentlemen.

 

[rstites]

When you're recording, you're close mic'd generally, so the aspects of the cab are a lot different than what we hear out front. It's really worth just playing around with the mic in front of speakers, at angles, etc. It's a PITA but worth the effort. When you figure it out, mark it with tape so you can recreate it faster next time!

 

[Little B]

Don't be ridiculous. This is my rig...

It's been a long grueling day at work, this is just what I needed to see.thx for the therapy! Lol

























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