Baked Bean
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You disagree. No point in arguing any further about it.
You disagree. No point in arguing any further about it.
CrazyNutz
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CrazyNutz
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Here's another angle
Baked Bean
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A bit too large up front for my personal tastes. That said, after watching it straight on for at least a full minute, this post is taking much longer than it should because of the distraction-S at 12:00! 
Edited to add the s.
Edited to add the s.
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paulyc
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She’s gonna get a black eye
311boogieman
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All without a jury 
That's how I look at it and I'm not a Trumper. Honestly, I could care less. I care much more about what the Biden's were doing with China and other dangerous Countries/Companies. And the look on the democrat judge's face today said it all. Big waste of time IMO. PS: no jury either.
Bad Brain
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No, I'm arguing that we're not "paying" for anything because of it. You made up a tax case, which isn't the thing being discussed here.
CrazyNutz
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All without a jury
That's how I look at it and I'm not a Trumper. Honestly, I could care less. I care much more about what the Biden's were doing with China and other dangerous Countries/Companies. And the look on the democrat judge's face today said it all. Big waste of time IMO. PS: no jury either.
So we should all be able to lie when taking out a loan?
This is the kind of thing that helped cause the crash in 2007-08
Bad Brain
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Obviously that he lied is going to be disputed, and he will have expert witnesses that support his valuation. This thing is just stupid, politically motivated, and honestly that's a waste "we're paying for."
CrazyNutz
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I think it's less of a dispute when evidence shows he inflated assets when obtaining loans, and deflated the same assets when paying taxes.
This is the whole problem. If he stayed constant, I don't think there's an issue.
Baked Bean
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In a million years you couldn't have chosen a better user-name here.
Bad Brain
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So far as I understand they are claiming that the house is valued less simply because the FL assessor valued it less. Has no bearing on Trump's opinion, or do you think he should have argued with the assessor it was worth more so he could pay more taxes? Again, I'm not even sure that contradictory valuations in different contexts are necessarily illegal, and unless one of us is an attorney, we should not speculate.
Baked Bean
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You are trying to find anyone to pin the blame on except the Trump Organization. I'd love to see you as a business owner under these circumstances trying to make the same arguments in front of a judge.
Bad Brain
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No I'm not. I just don't think he's guilty of anything, other than potentially an administrative law in NY, which is dumb anyways because no one has been harmed. I think the bigger problem is this obsession with the man, which clouds people's better judgement, and has lead them to do anything they can to "Get him." It's not a good look for "Our democracy" OR our judicial system.
Bad Brain
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You'd be surprised.
CrazyNutz
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Baked Bean
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What anyone thinks doesn't matter. We have laws and courts and judges. Based on all of the actual evidence presented (not the bullshit we have access to on the internet) he's determined laws have been broken.
Trump Org. has been found guilty and will of course appeal. His/their record so far in that area is terrible.
Baked Bean
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From what I read the issue is more hubris. EVERYONE involved knows this stuff goes on with the uber-rich to some degree. Hell, we all try to squeeze out A LITTLE something out at tax time, right. So everyone knows and there's a bit of an unspoken way to do it as to not draw too much attention to yourself, and all involved. Trump Org. got away with it for a decade. Then Donald gets elected and starts pissing everyone off, most notably his old uber-rich connections in New York by constantly calling the place corrupt. Then Cohen get spurned and tells the Feds to look into his real estate dealings.
I'd wager that if they'd only found the typical nickel and dime stuff here and there (uber-rich relative) that is status quo among all parties - buyers, sellers, lenders, the Feds, etc. - they'd have dropped it. But the Trump Org. not only went for the fences once, but every freaking year. There's simply no way they could turn away from such greed, and degree of contempt for the law. The entire Trump Org. only has themselves to blame. I'll wager the trial is going to expose all sorts of crooked stuff, at all levels of the organization. Like I stated earlier, all the norm to a degree. Steal a few singles here and there and no-one notices. They immediately went for a handful of tens. And then kept doing it year after year. Hubris.
Disclaimer: all sorts of assumptions in the above.
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311boogieman
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1. That's not what I said.
2. Bankers have assessors.
3. It has already been proven no one was hurt or defrauded.
4. And this is the most important part: Apply what you just said to Biden. He said he never talked to his son about his business dealings.
If Donald Trump's son was caught on video smoking crack cocaine and paying to play with hookers, the democrat witch hunters would all be out chasing a property valuation that didn't hurt anyone - just to make a guy look bad and make a run at the Presidency difficult. Wait.
This is why I am now a republican.
CrazyNutz
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I actually meant to quote denialist
LOL, did hunter hurt anyone but himself? Why are these guys so hard up for Biden's son?
BECAUSE they got nothing else!, and what they do have on Hunter is pretty fucking weak sauce, he bought a gun ?
and smoked crack. What happened to liberty?
Good for you! I chose no side, and vote either way.