Unpopular Rig-pinions

[311boogieman]

Also, I think I've mentioned this before but the 80's hair metal bands didn't poof their hair and wear makeup to attract other males. The girls were the ones who dug that whole look so what does that tell ya?

Also, I noticed a lot of bands 'over' dressed for album/magazine shoots and videos for the shock value. Most of the time and in concert, Crue, Poison, Ratt, etc didn't quite look like that in everyday life.

That candle def burned itself out though.

 

[Rock Bodom]

That’s exactly right, the glam fashion that did attract the ladies really went to another level as it was the MTV era and many bands were trying to outdo each other on the image.

Other thing about the 80’s...much as some folks think it was all about self indulgent solos and lead technique (and sure, it was the decade of shred), the riffs were equally glorious. I miss someone writing a riff like Bark at the Moon or Panama or Master of Puppets more than anything else.

Back to image...great example of don’t judge a book by the cover. Cinderella’s Night Songs...cover is full on glam, but the music is just killer hard rock with fantastic song writing.

I’ll throw this out as well...another reason I think it ran its course by the end of the 80’s was every band trying to get that slick ballad hit. That became more commercially important than great riffage.

 

[311boogieman]

Yeah the riffs were killer and seemed endless.

Loved early Cinderella. Used to play Night Songs over and over again jumping around in my room with a tennis racket.


Back on topic: Unpopular opinions seem to be that B52 AT100 heads are good.

 

[skoora]

It seems to me that in many cases, the lower tuned and more bass heavy guitar has gotten, the drums (especially triggered bass drums) and bass are going the opposite direction, and getting tighter and brighter sounding.

I can’t stand a lot of newer metal drums. Very clacky and no real rich, natural bottom on the toms. Just sub kicks and snare hits/triggers with no dynamics.

 

[skoora]

The 80’s ruled. Period. If you missed it I’m sorry. There just was no other period like it. Almost everyone was into rock. Every town had a local guitar hero. All the clubs had live music. Every tune had a guitar solo. It was just the best era, no question.

You say that because that was the prime of your life. What if you aren't into rock music, and don't like hanging out with a bunch of guys dressed up like women wearing makeup, all playing the same sounding music, formulaic music. Glamorizing drugs and booze, and pure degeneracy. Oh man every tune had a guitar solo, we all know here that makes it great every time. Personally it all seemed pretty cheap, tacky and degenerate to me.

You are right. It was the prime of life.

I think the rest of your comments are rather incorrect and do not describe the time accurately. Master of Puppets, Somewhere in Time, Mechanical Resonance and Look What the Cat Dragged in were all released in 1986. So not everybody was wearing makeup. Definitely not the same sounding, formulaic music IMO. There was something for everybody. Again - because everybody was into rock music back then.

There was tackiness if you wanted it, or not. Bands in leather and studs, bands in jeans and t-shirts, along with bands in spandex. Something for everybody! Eddie played on a Michael Jackson song!

What the hell is someone doing on this forum if they’re not into rock music..?
There was so much music going on in the 80’s that wasn’t hair nation. Punk, hardcore, Thrash, independent rock, pop, goth and also great underground metal scenes including black metal, doom etc. Hip hop was starting and electronic music was there too. One of my favorite bands from the 80’s was rockabilly, The Stray Cats. The 80’s was awesome. I really miss those record stores we had. I was listening to everything from Venom to Siouxie and The Banshees.

My possibly unpopular opinion for these modern times. People who play rock and say a modeler or sim gets it done live are missing out on what rock feels like. Maybe not what it sounds like, but definitely what it feels like. Even recording in a studio, having to tame a loud amp in the room is what makes it fun and exhilarating. Everything being at safe volumes and controlled makes it too workmanlike and there’s no visceral appeal.

 

[flatheads_4ever]

What the hell is someone doing on this forum if they’re not into rock music..?
There was so much music going on in the 80’s that wasn’t hair nation. Punk, hardcore, Thrash, independent rock, pop, goth and also great underground metal scenes including black metal, doom etc. Hip hop was starting and electronic music was there too. One of my favorite bands from the 80’s was rockabilly, The Stray Cats. The 80’s was awesome. I really miss those record stores we had. I was listening to everything from Venom to Siouxie and The Banshees.
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I agree!

The youth of today are really missing out by not having record stores. I remember waiting in line for the doors to open on new release days.

The '80's was more guitar oriented in general. You could turn on pop radio and hear Bon Jovi, Huey Lewis, Bryan Adams, etc and there would always be a guitar solo. You can turn on the radio today and still here many of these artists and songs. How much music today being produced will people still want to listen to? I really couldn't tell you.

One thing that is really missing today is a guitar hero. The last guy to me to really make an impact on the guitar magazine scene was John Petrucci. That's been almost 30 years now!

Ed

 

[Dopethrone]

"Weird mids"

 

[Monkey Man]

I can’t stand a lot of newer metal drums. Very clacky and no real rich, natural bottom on the toms. Just sub kicks and snare hits/triggers with no dynamics.

Same here, mate.

 

[SpiderWars]

My possibly unpopular opinion for these modern times. People who play rock and say a modeler or sim gets it done live are missing out on what rock feels like. Maybe not what it sounds like, but definitely what it feels like. Even recording in a studio, having to tame a loud amp in the room is what makes it fun and exhilarating. Everything being at safe volumes and controlled makes it too workmanlike and there’s no visceral appeal.

I kind of liked the fact that when I went to see a band live, the guitar tone generally was more distorted and 'alive' because they cranked it live and tried to tame it in the studio. This was true more so in the 70s and earl 80s though.

 

[DrewJD82]

One thing that is really missing today is a guitar hero. The last guy to me to really make an impact on the guitar magazine scene was John Petrucci. That's been almost 30 years now!

Ed

I thought that for a while until I recently saw how many younger guitarists are being inspired by that Plini dude or Tosin Abasi. I related this story in another thread, but I’m in one of the more generic, Guitar Players Of Facebook groups, which has a few thousand members. There was a Post Your Guitars thread recently and the amount of Strandenburg’s or similar ergonomic, no-headstock guitars was staggering. Easily 1/4 of the guitars posted were one of those, if not more.

All in all, I believe there are more guitars being bought and sold today than there ever has been. If YouTubers can start their own successful guitar lines (Ola England has been killing it with Solar and it seems Chapman’s got Guitar Center distribution now) while all the big companies are putting out more and more models every year, that tells me the market for guitars is pretty big right now. The big companies (maybe not Gibson, but that’s their own fault) all seem to be doing well and the small builders are pretty much entirely running on waitlists. I know Solar (Ola’s brand) regularly sells out off models as I see people on the FB consistently asking when a next run of something is coming out. He’s shown a few videos of the factory where they’re being made and he’s not doing small, 25 unit runs, he’s banging them out in the hundreds.

While the YouTube guitar community occasionally makes me want to spew, it’s blown the world of guitars up considerably, in a positive way. Sure, it’s spawned a lot of dipshits who want to have their own channel and either don’t have the chops or experience to provide worthwhile info, they’re STILL successful at it. Seems like every week a new guitar-oriented channel is popping up in my feed and these guys have thousands of subscribers.

 

[thisguy]

The 80’s ruled. Period. If you missed it I’m sorry. There just was no other period like it. Almost everyone was into rock. Every town had a local guitar hero. All the clubs had live music. Every tune had a guitar solo. It was just the best era, no question.

You say that because that was the prime of your life. What if you aren't into rock music, and don't like hanging out with a bunch of guys dressed up like women wearing makeup, all playing the same sounding music, formulaic music. Glamorizing drugs and booze, and pure degeneracy. Oh man every tune had a guitar solo, we all know here that makes it great every time. Personally it all seemed pretty cheap, tacky and degenerate to me.

You are right. It was the prime of life.

I think the rest of your comments are rather incorrect and do not describe the time accurately. Master of Puppets, Somewhere in Time, Mechanical Resonance and Look What the Cat Dragged in were all released in 1986. So not everybody was wearing makeup. Definitely not the same sounding, formulaic music IMO. There was something for everybody. Again - because everybody was into rock music back then.

There was tackiness if you wanted it, or not. Bands in leather and studs, bands in jeans and t-shirts, along with bands in spandex. Something for everybody! Eddie played on a Michael Jackson song!

What the hell is someone doing on this forum if they’re not into rock music..?
There was so much music going on in the 80’s that wasn’t hair nation. Punk, hardcore, Thrash, independent rock, pop, goth and also great underground metal scenes including black metal, doom etc. Hip hop was starting and electronic music was there too. One of my favorite bands from the 80’s was rockabilly, The Stray Cats. The 80’s was awesome. I really miss those record stores we had. I was listening to everything from Venom to Siouxie and The Banshees.

My possibly unpopular opinion for these modern times. People who play rock and say a modeler or sim gets it done live are missing out on what rock feels like. Maybe not what it sounds like, but definitely what it feels like. Even recording in a studio, having to tame a loud amp in the room is what makes it fun and exhilarating. Everything being at safe volumes and controlled makes it too workmanlike and there’s no visceral appeal.

How about sifting through albums and buying them based on the album covers wondering what the music sounded like. I remember that's how I got this one...

 

[flatheads_4ever]

Sure, it’s spawned a lot of dipshits who want to have their own channel and either don’t have the chops or experience to provide worthwhile info, they’re STILL successful at it.

This reminds me of what someone once said on another forum:

"The world has always been full of idiots. The internet now makes it easier for them to market themselves!"


Ed

 

[ghosty999]

To all the folks in here saying the 80s was the best. Every generation has said that their nostalgic rose tinted childhood was the "best" generation, and everyone else is "missing out." It's selfish to assume the ONE 10 year span of music was the best simply because it's the only one you experienced,

This then leads onto the dislike for modern metal. For example I was born in 1991 so I grew up during the resurgence of ProgMeta/Djent which I love equally to the 80s metal/prog. Both make me happy for difference reasons. I don't judge the music by its era of origin, but more by it's sonic value.

The 7-String and virtuoso movement is HUGE. It's got so many people in guitar and music production. The only push back against such a movement would be from those who don't understand it and wish to set the cultural standard themselves.

See that feeling you got when you heard that EPIC 80s riff back in the day? Us young dudes get that too with music from our generation. Respect that!

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences. We all play guitars into amps, and we care about our signals. That should be celebrated. Don't feel threatened or angry when you see a young dude with an 8-string, shredding into oblivion.... he's no different from you shredding in your bedroom circa 1988

 

[311boogieman]

Good points there ghosty

For the record, I personally consider the "80's" to be from 1978 - 1993 ish

 

[ghosty999]

Good points there ghosty

For the record, I personally consider the "80's" to be from 1978 - 1993 ish

Agreed it had a muffin top and slipped into each neighboring eras.

 

[skullfxr]

I was born in 1990 (30th birthday is actually today!)

But I had a blast growing up and seeing Shadows Fall and Lamb of God, Killswitch, as I lay dying, early Trivium, catching on to the later Pantera and the other NOLA stuff. Also I had a blast with the Tampa death metal. Cannibal Corpse (I have been to a BBQ at Corpsegrinder's house) and yes his neck IS THAT BIG. Morbid Angel, Obituary.

It's different than the 80's probably were but it was a blast for me. I was going to concerts every week when I was 14 and 15. My first was actually Trivium, Amon Amarth, and Children of Bodom.

My guitar heros were Dime and Alexi Laiho. Alexi was fucking awesome in 2004 live. Fucker can play.

It's different but I had fun.

Also like people are saying that in the '80's rock was everywhere, I liked that in my generation the metal heads were the outcast badasses. Different kind of pride for me in a way.

 

[MrDowntown]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

 

[311boogieman]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

1. Not going to get into with you
2. I loved KISS as a kid. 'I'm back...back in the New York Groove' never did anything for me either
3. Agree (but I did like Sunday Bloody Sunday) but maybe just because of the Red Rocks video and the drumming
4. Always dug Mr Petty (RIP)
5. Not a country fan
6. Please expound upon this

 

[Monkey Man]

Funny you should say that, mate, 'cause Sunday Bloody Sunday was the only song of theirs that I liked too.

 

[errrrrl]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

I almost spit my coffee on my keyboard at work reading this lol

1.
2. I'm with you on this whole heartily
3. I liked U2 quite a bit, after Joshua Tree with that whole amish cowboy look lost me...
4. Tom ruled
5. Exactly
6.