Unpopular Rig-pinions

[blackie13]

I just don't understand why rig-talkers bash heavy superstrats, but love those heavy sipo les pauls....
I got my maple star and with my northern ash EVH replica they are the best guitars I have ever heard...

I also don'get the hype about baked maple necks....
I actually think they sound dull vs birdseye or plain maple...

 

[ghosty999]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

Now this is spicy beans!

1. Absolutely agree, he was sloppy live, he was a songwriting guitarist, not a virtuoso. Nothing wrong with that, but yeah John Sykes if he was older would of been awsome .
2. Agreed, still enjoy some of their hits when in the mood. Ace had the problem as stated above, he was sloppy live.
3. To be honest I've never given them enough time... maybe that will be todays job
4. Agreed, simple but enduring
5. Agreed, but some of the solos are awsome
6. Hahahaha

In regards to country.... you guys will love this:

 

[SpiderWars]

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

These are good.
1. Zeppelin was my favorite band in the 70s but Slim Jim was never in my top 10 guitar players. He was a great songwriter though and innovative with tunings/etc.
2. Ditto...however when VV first joined the band I thought that was the best they ever were. I actually saw them with VV.
3. Early U2 is cool to me. It was new/different and they made their own sound. Edge gets some sick tones (Bullet the Blue Sky anyone?).
4. Totally agree. And a shitty singing voice to boot. I remember listening to an early EP of theirs in late 70's.
5. I think the croony hip-hopish stuff (not even sure what its called) is worse. At least the country has guitar.
6. I would be RR and never get on that damn plane!

 

[MrDowntown]

...the modern country thang-twang... the talent IS there and some of the guitar players are just smokin. i think a lot of them, especially some of the, shall we say..."vintage" guys, if ya know what i mean... are RnR's at heart and have found their paychecks in the studio, or stage, with a country artist...

that said, the fracking click-tracks, and clap-tracks, and redneck-rap... :yuck:

and someone touched on this earlier, there doesn't appear to be a lot of soul and grit in the modern music (country as well as others)... and maybe that is what i get for listening to XM when on the road. sadly, but truthfully, the popular stations are defining what music is...suppose it's always been that way.

:breath caught:

carry on...

 

[JimAnsell]

The term "relic" should be replaced with "poser burst"

LOL, this is a good one. Relic'ed guitars are the goofiest shit ever. They never look natural, and what message is it even trying to send?

from what i remember, the relic era started around the time hispter garage rock, and faux 70's rock inspired bands, who wore vintage clothes and played 70's guitars. early/mid 2000's. The message the relic guitars is trying to send is that "i've been around, maaaan. i've played so many smokey bars, braved lots of hard weather, and worn the guitar in certain places because i just play soooo much"

tl/dr: fake ass "Experience" or "rock cred".

its like guys who sleeve up their arms and legs with tattoos these days. to me its like saying "I'm going to the tattoo shop to buy myself some cool" or some fake ass "intimidating/macho" swag. looks like an ulgly ass blob of pseudo profound symbols and sayings.

 

[thenine]

To all the folks in here saying the 80s was the best. Every generation has said that their nostalgic rose tinted childhood was the "best" generation, and everyone else is "missing out." It's selfish to assume the ONE 10 year span of music was the best simply because it's the only one you experienced,

See that feeling you got when you heard that EPIC 80s riff back in the day? Us young dudes get that too with music from our generation. Respect that!

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences. We all play guitars into amps, and we care about our signals. That should be celebrated. Don't feel threatened or angry when you see a young dude with an 8-string, shredding into oblivion.... he's no different from you shredding in your bedroom circa 1988

OK. I can smell what you are stepping in. But lets keep the beans spicy!

Here's a big difference with these generations,... Respect that! you say?

We never demanded anybody respect our shiznat. More take it or leave it point of view I would say. I remember hanging at my buddies house and his older brother and his friends were there. We were talking about this very kind of thing (back then, imagine that?!) They were appalled at the "opera singers" we were listening to - Halford, Dickinson, Tate. While I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread they had determined it was definitely not rock and roll. Just then The Ripper starts and the whole room went silent while Halford unleashed the intro "You're in for a suPRISE!" Freaking awesome! Of course, they declared it stoopid and we ended just more or less laughing at each others point of view rather than demanding anything of anyone. They liked Grand Funk, Budgie, Pink Floyd (put me to sleep), early Zep - all shit I had no use for. If they didn't "get it" I just moved on let it lay. I never demanded they Respect that!.

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

Agree with your last point - we have way more in common than not. That I do respect.

 

[Rock Bodom]

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences.

Yep. In 20 years...you'll sound exactly like a number of us.

 

[panhead]

There was a lot fucked up music in 80` also some of that has sort mutated into what is pop now sorta? Ya know minus grunge, rap is what killed a lot of shit, very little in the 80`s cept 2 live crew maybe some others. I don't a know anything about rap and don't need to lol

 

[panhead]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

Hey bro im from NC so dont take it personal but take a wack at playing some Zep. Im talking stuff off Presence/etc not radio hits and figure it out correctly. My son`s friend about 10 years ago was obsessed with Metallica etc. I was playing some Skynyrd and he wanted to know what it was. It was That Smell. I told to him learn it as close as possible and show me later. He came back to the house a month later and said he was still working on it and that it was way harder than he would have thought versus metallica stuff.

 

[MrDowntown]

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

...textural... i can damn near feel this....

 

[MrDowntown]

im digging this thread...
it's like the freedom dome at my office...which is a hand formed continuous steel thing, that if you're under it, you can say wht the fuck you want, with no threat of reprisal...

my unpopular rig-pinions:
1. i always wondered what Zeppelins music would sound like with a real guitar player
2. i never loved Kiss...never really liked them all that much actually. and, sidebar... new york groove is probably the G'heyest thing i've ever heard.
3. never dug U2...always thought the lead-singer dude was a doosh-nozle.
4. tom petty did more with 4/5 cords than my mind can calculate
5. modern country music is the worst-mf-shit ever...
6. if i could write/craft/play "real" guitar...i'd a written every riff that EVH ever wrote.

Hey bro im from NC so dont take it personal but take a wack at playing some Zep. Im talking stuff off Presence/etc not radio hits and figure it out correctly. My son`s friend about 10 years ago was obsessed with Metallica etc. I was playing some Skynyrd and he wanted to know what it was. It was That Smell. I told to him learn it as close as possible and show me later. He came back to the house a month later and said he was still working on it and that it was way harder than he would have thought versus metallica stuff.

ah...fellow Tar Heel'r


yea...Zep... so, i love (some) of their songs, not all, but some (Tangerine is my fav for some reason). the writing i've always thought was spectacular. just always thought JP was not as good as the music he scored, if that makes sense. My brother, 4.5 yrs my Jr...coming up, he LOVED Zep. He and his buddies had a band, and played the ever-loving-shit out of Zep man by the time i left for college i was so sick of hearing them,.... and sure enough, first party i go to whilst away at college, own the way there, dudes blaring Cashmere anyway...my brother at 14-15 y.o., i thought, played JP's stuff better than JP himself.

 

[skoora]

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

...textural... i can damn near feel this....

Even in '94 to think Far Beyond Driven was #1. Just nuts. It was a nice reminder that grunge was not the be all end all of what was going at the time.

 

[Monkey Man]

For the record, I personally consider the "80's" to be from 1978 - 1993 ish

Same here, mate.

 

[ghosty999]

To all the folks in here saying the 80s was the best. Every generation has said that their nostalgic rose tinted childhood was the "best" generation, and everyone else is "missing out." It's selfish to assume the ONE 10 year span of music was the best simply because it's the only one you experienced,

See that feeling you got when you heard that EPIC 80s riff back in the day? Us young dudes get that too with music from our generation. Respect that!

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences. We all play guitars into amps, and we care about our signals. That should be celebrated. Don't feel threatened or angry when you see a young dude with an 8-string, shredding into oblivion.... he's no different from you shredding in your bedroom circa 1988

OK. I can smell what you are stepping in. But lets keep the beans spicy!

Here's a big difference with these generations,... Respect that! you say?

We never demanded anybody respect our shiznat. More take it or leave it point of view I would say. I remember hanging at my buddies house and his older brother and his friends were there. We were talking about this very kind of thing (back then, imagine that?!) They were appalled at the "opera singers" we were listening to - Halford, Dickinson, Tate. While I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread they had determined it was definitely not rock and roll. Just then The Ripper starts and the whole room went silent while Halford unleashed the intro "You're in for a suPRISE!" Freaking awesome! Of course, they declared it stoopid and we ended just more or less laughing at each others point of view rather than demanding anything of anyone. They liked Grand Funk, Budgie, Pink Floyd (put me to sleep), early Zep - all shit I had no use for. If they didn't "get it" I just moved on let it lay. I never demanded they Respect that!.

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

Agree with your last point - we have way more in common than not. That I do respect.

As I said above I'm a huge 80s metal freak, so I have no idea why you are trying to convince me rock ruled the world Also us young shredders aren't demanding respect, we are saying why don't the older dudes live by their own mantra and respect that we have taken an interest in guitar, amps and gear. It was my old father that taught me respect, now that generation seem reluctant to give it out to anything they don't understand.

I've got 80s rack preamps, a huge 80s record collection, 80s guitars, I have bleached long hair, I watch Miami Vice, I live for that era.... but when I sit down with a 7 string and jam some spanky riffs, older dudes walk away.... as their elders did when they sat down to do tapping back in the 80s.

It's a cycle, every generation was misunderstood by it's previous, I'm just asking that you keep the Beans Spicy and go up to a tattoo drenched vegan sweep picking Djent iPhone millennial and don't bombard them with why your generation was the best, but ask if they like any of the classic shredders. Boom, the barrier will drop.

 

[skoora]

To all the folks in here saying the 80s was the best. Every generation has said that their nostalgic rose tinted childhood was the "best" generation, and everyone else is "missing out." It's selfish to assume the ONE 10 year span of music was the best simply because it's the only one you experienced,

See that feeling you got when you heard that EPIC 80s riff back in the day? Us young dudes get that too with music from our generation. Respect that!

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences. We all play guitars into amps, and we care about our signals. That should be celebrated. Don't feel threatened or angry when you see a young dude with an 8-string, shredding into oblivion.... he's no different from you shredding in your bedroom circa 1988

OK. I can smell what you are stepping in. But lets keep the beans spicy!

Here's a big difference with these generations,... Respect that! you say?

We never demanded anybody respect our shiznat. More take it or leave it point of view I would say. I remember hanging at my buddies house and his older brother and his friends were there. We were talking about this very kind of thing (back then, imagine that?!) They were appalled at the "opera singers" we were listening to - Halford, Dickinson, Tate. While I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread they had determined it was definitely not rock and roll. Just then The Ripper starts and the whole room went silent while Halford unleashed the intro "You're in for a suPRISE!" Freaking awesome! Of course, they declared it stoopid and we ended just more or less laughing at each others point of view rather than demanding anything of anyone. They liked Grand Funk, Budgie, Pink Floyd (put me to sleep), early Zep - all shit I had no use for. If they didn't "get it" I just moved on let it lay. I never demanded they Respect that!.

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

Agree with your last point - we have way more in common than not. That I do respect.

As I said above I'm a huge 80s metal freak, so I have no idea why you are trying to convince me rock ruled the world Also us young shredders aren't demanding respect, we are saying why don't the older dudes live by their own mantra and respect that we have taken an interest in guitar, amps and gear. It was my old father that taught me respect, now that generation seem reluctant to give it out to anything they don't understand.

I've got 80s rack preamps, a huge 80s record collection, 80s guitars, I have bleached long hair, I watch Miami Vice, I live for that era.... but when I sit down with a 7 string and jam some spanky riffs, older dudes walk away.... as their elders did when they sat down to do tapping back in the 80s.

It's a cycle, every generation was misunderstood by it's previous, I'm just asking that you keep the Beans Spicy and go up to a tattoo drenched vegan sweep picking Djent iPhone millennial and don't bombard them with why your generation was the best, but ask if they like any of the classic shredders. Boom, the barrier will drop.

I don't say this with any heat....At the end of the day who gives a shit. People will like what they like. I'm not on this Earth to satisfy other people's needs for acceptance or recognition in what they like. I love so much music from the 40's up until the 90's. I don't like Djent or 7-8 string, avante guarde masturbation. Mind you I was never a shred fan in the 80's. I liked a guitar player who could rip, for eg. Gary Moore but he still wrote good songs. All newer heavy bands I like are actually just keeping old sounds alive from the 80's and 90's. I just don't connect to anything I've heard that I would consider new new.

 

[ghosty999]

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences.

Yep. In 20 years...you'll sound exactly like a number of us.

Nope. I wish to break that cycle, using some intelligence. I'll approach Generation Z's guitar interest with an open mind, and willing to learn.

I won't just sit and tell them over and over why my era was better, my amps were better, my music was better.

 

[ghosty999]

To all the folks in here saying the 80s was the best. Every generation has said that their nostalgic rose tinted childhood was the "best" generation, and everyone else is "missing out." It's selfish to assume the ONE 10 year span of music was the best simply because it's the only one you experienced,

See that feeling you got when you heard that EPIC 80s riff back in the day? Us young dudes get that too with music from our generation. Respect that!

At the end of the day we have WAY more in common that differences. We all play guitars into amps, and we care about our signals. That should be celebrated. Don't feel threatened or angry when you see a young dude with an 8-string, shredding into oblivion.... he's no different from you shredding in your bedroom circa 1988

OK. I can smell what you are stepping in. But lets keep the beans spicy!

Here's a big difference with these generations,... Respect that! you say?

We never demanded anybody respect our shiznat. More take it or leave it point of view I would say. I remember hanging at my buddies house and his older brother and his friends were there. We were talking about this very kind of thing (back then, imagine that?!) They were appalled at the "opera singers" we were listening to - Halford, Dickinson, Tate. While I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread they had determined it was definitely not rock and roll. Just then The Ripper starts and the whole room went silent while Halford unleashed the intro "You're in for a suPRISE!" Freaking awesome! Of course, they declared it stoopid and we ended just more or less laughing at each others point of view rather than demanding anything of anyone. They liked Grand Funk, Budgie, Pink Floyd (put me to sleep), early Zep - all shit I had no use for. If they didn't "get it" I just moved on let it lay. I never demanded they Respect that!.

Again, if you weren't there I could never describe it properly to you. Most of the world was interested in rock it seemed. Don't believe me? Quiet Riot Metal Health was Billboard #1. That would never happen today.

Agree with your last point - we have way more in common than not. That I do respect.

As I said above I'm a huge 80s metal freak, so I have no idea why you are trying to convince me rock ruled the world Also us young shredders aren't demanding respect, we are saying why don't the older dudes live by their own mantra and respect that we have taken an interest in guitar, amps and gear. It was my old father that taught me respect, now that generation seem reluctant to give it out to anything they don't understand.

I've got 80s rack preamps, a huge 80s record collection, 80s guitars, I have bleached long hair, I watch Miami Vice, I live for that era.... but when I sit down with a 7 string and jam some spanky riffs, older dudes walk away.... as their elders did when they sat down to do tapping back in the 80s.

It's a cycle, every generation was misunderstood by it's previous, I'm just asking that you keep the Beans Spicy and go up to a tattoo drenched vegan sweep picking Djent iPhone millennial and don't bombard them with why your generation was the best, but ask if they like any of the classic shredders. Boom, the barrier will drop.

I don't say this with any heat....At the end of the day who gives a shit. People will like what they like. I'm not on this Earth to satisfy other people's needs for acceptance or recognition in what they like. I love so much music from the 40's up until the 90's. I don't like Djent or 7-8 string, avante guarde masturbation. Mind you I was never a shred fan in the 80's. I liked a guitar player who could rip, for eg. Gary Moore but he still wrote good songs. All newer heavy bands I like are actually just keeping old sounds alive from the 80's and 90's. I just don't connect to anything I've heard that I would consider new new.

People here seem to give a shit, alot of folks seem very invested in calling new genres "masturbation" whilst getting very insulted if flipped. Alot of older dudes have spent hours of their day telling me why everything I do is wrong. Very sensitive and fragile egos coming onto the 7-String forums with hot takes on everything.

It can get tiring for us young dudes, trying to show an interest only to get replies like "REEE SOME OF THE HEAVIEST RIFFS ARE IN E 6 STRING" and just oozings of emotion, feelings and opinions no one asked for.

Find commonality, don't be ignorant. And if you don't like it, move on.

 

[skoora]

Find commonality, don't be ignorant. And if you don't like it, move on.

Find commonality, don't be ignorant. And if you don't like it, move on.

So people who don't like what you like are ignorant? Maybe you should be the one to just move on, do what you like and not care about what "old dudes" think. Unless of course you secretly want those old dudes to recognize and appreciate what you do. It seems to matter to you a lot.

 

[SpiderWars]

Interesting how an 'Unpopular Rig-pinion' thread holds some of the more civil discussion here.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm mid-50s and I fully realize that the whole older gen v younger gen has been going on since Socrates (there is even a quote that says similar). I don't begrudge anyone for playing/liking what they do because I remember being there when I was younger.

I also think that to some degree the younger gen is going to find something they think is cool that the older gen hates. That's part of the allure, it automatically makes it more cool. Just the way it is, again since Socrates. When I was young, tattoos were head turners. That alone was prob enough to make it cool for the next gen. I think good ones look cool as hell, but I still don't have one nor want.

 

[ghosty999]

Find commonality, don't be ignorant. And if you don't like it, move on.

Find commonality, don't be ignorant. And if you don't like it, move on.

So people who don't like what you like are ignorant? Maybe you should be the one to just move on, do what you like and not care about what "old dudes" think. Unless of course you secretly want those old dudes to recognize and appreciate what you do. It seems to matter to you a lot.

Move on from what? We have nothing to move on from, we are still trying to just enjoy our stuff. I'm simply pointing out a phenomenon and discussing it in a forum dedicated to such discussion.

I do what I like, an album a year and plenty of gigs. And that is exactly what draws in these older folks who aren't gigging, aren't recording albums, but are happy to vomit their opinions because they saw Ozzy at his peak.

You've read too deep into the conversation, and are projecting. I'm simply pointing out my experience, as everyone else has been pointed out theirs.