Am I missing out not owning a straight 4-12??

[TheGreatGreen]

Personally I prefer straight 4x12 cabs because I like what they do to the low end. They sound bigger to me.

However, behind a mic, some guys (notably Nolly) prefer putting a mic on the top side of a slant 4x12's because the angled baffle means you don't have a parallel wall right reflecting directly back at the speaker.

 

[The Polish Hammer]

You gonna perch a front-heavy rack on top of a Marshall Stack?

Nooooo.. lol
The Rack goes on the straight cab.
I was just saying if I wanted to I could use the two cabs with the Marshall HEAD I have.

 

[Nigel]

The only slant cab I've owned that sounded any good was a Bogner with that batting they put in their cabs.
A slant baffle messes with the internal resonance of the cab, and the Bogner batting mitigates this somewhat.
Straight cabs sound better, project better and have a more consistent frequency response without any weird phase canceling effects from the odd angle and shallow depth of the top 2 speakers.
Yeah, it can work in a live situation for personal monitoring, and to not kill the people in the first five rows, but that's about the only positive thing they bring to the table.

I run foam on the back of my Mesa OS slant and it’s the most musical cab I’ve ever owned, perfect, almost otherworldly.

 

[Nigel]

Personally I prefer straight 4x12 cabs because I like what they do to the low end. They sound bigger to me.

However, behind a mic, some guys (notably Nolly) prefer putting a mic on the top side of a slant 4x12's because the angled baffle means you don't have a parallel wall right reflecting directly back at the speaker.

That’s a great articulation clarifying / justifying slant micing. Makes so much sense. Thanks for that.

 

[shadow]

To the OP: you're missing out on eradication of vibration by not placing the rack off the cab. I was guilty of this at one point. No room, no other "shelf" to place rack on. Sonically, I thought I was missing something with the slant, but I dig it. But I'm weird, I like the bottom tier better. I need to do a straight/slant comparo myself. someday.

 

[The~Kid]

People are going to say you are missing out, but it's just preference.

Try one, see if you like it.

I don't have a preference TBH because i'm mostly close micing

This and also practicality...... 412s are huge.


Hard to substitute a 412 but a nice oversized 212 ain't a bad alternative IME.

 

[Shask]

This and also practicality...... 412s are huge.


Hard to substitute a 412 but a nice oversized 212 ain't a bad alternative IME.

An oversized 212 is not THAT much smaller than a 412, and has the same floor print.

 

[Rottweiler]

Personally I prefer straight 4x12 cabs because I like what they do to the low end. They sound bigger to me.

However, behind a mic, some guys (notably Nolly) prefer putting a mic on the top side of a slant 4x12's because the angled baffle means you don't have a parallel wall right reflecting directly back at the speaker.

The title of the video is regarding front vs rear, but The link should take you to 10:48 where Kohle talks about the slant vs straight. If you go back a few minutes, you can see the Hz sweep effects.

 

[Rottweiler]

If you have limited space for your setup, a slant cab can help you hear the high end with a little less distance from the cab. I own one slant and two straights. This could just be my take as I have tinnitus and hearing loss.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

The title of the video is regarding front vs rear, but The link should take you to 10:48 where Kohle talks about the slant vs straight. If you go back a few minutes, you can see the Hz sweep effects.

Great video. That’s exactly what I was talking about, thanks for finding a more detailed explanation!

 

[TheGreatGreen]

If you have limited space for your setup, a slant cab can help you hear the high end with a little less distance from the cab. I own one slant and two straights. This could just be my take as I have tinnitus and hearing loss.

If you’re truly crazy, and you’re on this forum so there’s a good chance you might be, the third option is to get a straight cab but lean it back so it’s facing up toward your ears.

 

[Rottweiler]

I run foam on the back of my Mesa OS slant and it’s the most musical cab I’ve ever owned, perfect, almost otherworldly.

What would you say the foam / batting did to the sound / response?

 

[TheGreatGreen]

What would you say the foam / batting did to the sound / response?

There's a few videos or clips around I remember watching a while back, but don't remember exactly what they are. Foam seems to cut down on some of the lower frequency resonances. It makes the cab sound more clinical and controlled but at the expense of some warmth, if I remember right.

Depending on the guitar tone, less or no foam could help give some extra body to a thinner tone, while more foam could de-mud a slightly more bloated tone.

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, again it's been awhile since I've looked into it.

 

[HellraiserJohnny]

Way Back . . . . . many many, many moons agao . . . . . In our line of work . . . 1960 B Cabs were a requirement not an option.

As I started building (smaller ; ) more recording based rigs , I still always found a 1960 B had something I couldn't get anywere else. Where else could you get a stereo dry cab for the center of a W/D/W rig?

PS: I was able to solve the issue with ground contact with milk crates.

 

[The~Kid]

An oversized 212 is not THAT much smaller than a 412, and has the same floor print.

Yeah......true.


Not saying they are better or anything but they aren't bad.....


And hell this kind of talked me into getting a 412 in the future *_*

 

[Shask]

Yeah......true.


Not saying they are better or anything but they aren't bad.....


And hell this kind of talked me into getting a 412 in the future *_*

In the last year I have switched from using oversized 212 cabs to regular 412s. My basement is now a 212 graveyard, lol.

 

[The~Kid]

In the last year I have switched from using oversized 212 cabs to regular 412s. My basement is now a 212 graveyard, lol.

I mean I was thinking of getting a 112 as a backup if I wanted to go out with a head ever..... But may as well have the 212 as back up or as an option if I do ever go out to jam or take it out and get a 412 for home use.


Sounds ass backwards and stupid as hell but it makes sense.


I mean I love the 212 Bad Cat Lynx Cab I have as it's closed back but imagine it will only get better with 412. The has V30s in it.


Honestly though going back between a 112 and 212 both loaded with V30s both are great and have their place. Don't want to say the 412 will better than the 112 or 212 and well sort of like sometimes you want to play through one vs the other for different reasons. 112 moves less air than a 212 or 412 but they also get pushed harder as all the power is going through one speaker..... So depending on what you're after or mood sometimes it makes sense to use one over another IME.

 

[Simon Dorn]

all of my cabs, 1x12, 2x12, 4x12 are straight except one Marshall 4x12 that I use with my Marshall plexi full stack.

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How do you like the Full-Stack soundwise, compared to a Halfstack with a Straight Cab?

 

[HellraiserJohnny]

No matter what type of rig I put together. There always needs to be a couple 4x12 cabs around.

 

[Sick Michael]

I had a Marshall 4x12 which was slanted and an Orange 4x12 which was straight. I felt that the Slanted one sounded more "airy" and seemed to fill the room more. The Orange recorded better, but was super focussed in the one direction. Apples and Oranges, and then you factor in speakers which is massive. I'd probably go back to the straight option, but I felt that the speaker choice was more significant.