Amps that get lost in the mix....

[stephen sawall]

I thought the only active tone control on the Diezel's was the presence control ?

I thought that this was part of the reason they have a less fizz and are more compressed than a lot of high gain amp ?

I thought all the Diezel's were a solid state / tube hybrid ?

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I thought the only active tone control on the Diezel's was the presence control ?

I thought that this was part of the reason they have a less fizz and are more compressed than a lot of high gain amp ?

I thought all the Diezel's were a solid state / tube hybrid ?

Diezel are not hybrid amplifiers.

I never noticed enormous amounts of compression with their amps. No more than others.

 

[stephen sawall]

I thought the only active tone control on the Diezel's was the presence control ?

I thought that this was part of the reason they have a less fizz and are more compressed than a lot of high gain amp ?

I thought all the Diezel's were a solid state / tube hybrid ?

Diezel are not hybrid amplifiers.

I never noticed enormous amounts of compression with their amps. No more than others.

The Diezel's do not have a active presence ? That would make them a hybrid.

edit .... I just looked at three of the manuals .... it is the depth control. I believe this makes them a hybrid.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

The Diezel's do not have a active presence ? That would make them a hybrid.

edit .... I just looked at three of the manuals .... it is the depth control. I believe this makes them a hybrid.

Hmm, that's news to me. Maybe someone with more knowledge than myself will pitch in their opinion.

I always thought hybrid amps referred to amps that equip valve-based preamp sections and transistor-based power amps?

 

[stephen sawall]

The Diezel's do not have a active presence ? That would make them a hybrid.

edit .... I just looked at three of the manuals .... it is the depth control. I believe this makes them a hybrid.

Hmm, that's news to me. Maybe someone with more knowledge than myself will pitch in their opinion.

I always thought hybrid amps referred to amps that equip valve-based preamp sections and transistor-based power amps?

I have seen amps with solid state preamps and tube power-amps also.

I thought it was any time there is solid state in the amp that is part of the sound ?

I guess we might both learn something here ?

 

[zuel69]

Yea, the only thing hybrid would be the midi stuff going on..nothing with the pre-power-tone.

The Diezel's do not have a active presence ? That would make them a hybrid.

edit .... I just looked at three of the manuals .... it is the depth control. I believe this makes them a hybrid.

Hmm, that's news to me. Maybe someone with more knowledge than myself will pitch in their opinion.

I always thought hybrid amps referred to amps that equip valve-based preamp sections and transistor-based power amps?

 

[Sixtonoize]

Diezel amplifiers have no SS components in the signal path.

The Presence and Depth controls are "active" in that you can boost frequencies, but there are no SS components involved.
They're driven by passive components (capacitors for Presence, inductors for Depth) in the negative feedback loop.

And FWIW, "Hybrid" generally refers to an amplifier that has a dedicated SS section and a dedicated tube section, not an amplifier that has both tube and SS components. For example, the old Peavey amps have a tube power section and a SS preamp. However, the Silver Jubilee amps have clipping diodes and the Mark series has a transistor-driven GEQ. Are you willing to call them Hybrid?

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I thought the only active tone control on the Diezel's was the presence control ?

I thought that this was part of the reason they have a less fizz and are more compressed than a lot of high gain amp ?

I thought all the Diezel's were a solid state / tube hybrid ?

Nope... Diezels are all solid state, flat panel technology. No tubes at all. The secret is the German nanites. They are they key to the great tone.

 

[zuel69]

German nanites? sci-fi shit goin on.

 

[stephen sawall]

Diezel amplifiers have no SS components in the signal path.

The Presence and Depth controls are "active" in that you can boost frequencies, but there are no SS components involved.
They're driven by passive components (capacitors for Presence, inductors for Depth) in the negative feedback loop.

I wonder why they choose the term "active" in the manual ? I do not remember this term ever used to describe tube circuits and only in solid state circuits ?
There have been a number of amps over the years I have seen called "tube" that are hybrids .... it is not like it is uncommon.

 

[Sixtonoize]

I wonder why they choose the term "active" in the manual ? I do not remember this term ever used to describe tube circuits and only in solid state circuits ?
There have been a number of amps over the years I have seen called "tube" that are hybrids .... it is not like it is uncommon.

Anything that amplifies is "active," be it tube or solid state.
For example, the Peavey Ultra series has a fully active, tube-driven, EQ.

 

[stephen sawall]

And FWIW, "Hybrid" generally refers to an amplifier that has a dedicated SS section and a dedicated tube section, not an amplifier that has both tube and SS components. For example, the old Peavey amps have a tube power section and a SS preamp. However, the Silver Jubilee amps have clipping diodes and the Mark series has a transistor-driven GEQ. Are you willing to call them Hybrid?

Yes I would.

 

[Sixtonoize]

So when, in your opinion, does an amplifier stop being a hybrid?

 

[stephen sawall]

So when, in your opinion, does an amplifier stop being a hybrid?

In simple circuits like a plexi and the old Fender's and Vox's, etc. If they start using IC / diode clipping / etc in any part that the sound goes into ~ that it is a hybrid for me. It no longer is just a tube amp as far as I can tell. But I do understand how the term "hybrid" is commonly used when talking about amps.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

So when, in your opinion, does an amplifier stop being a hybrid?

In simple circuits like a plexi and the old Fender's and Vox's, etc. If they start using IC / diode clipping / etc in any part that the sound goes into ~ that it is a hybrid for me. It no longer is just a tube amp as far as I can tell. But I do understand how the term "hybrid" is commonly used when talking about amps.

Yes, but that would be like calling custom shop guitars "semi-custom", which is a daft, even if they don't offer you complete control.

In my opinion - and in many others as well - you don't call famous luthiers like Oni, Blackmachine, Hufschmid, Haden Rose Guitars, or even Fender and ESP, etc. semi-custom just because they may not offer a full custom shop to anybody, i.e. they disallow absolute power over the design to the customer, where you can't just order anything and everything. If you ask for a quote from these builders and mention the word "semi-custom", they'll not be too pleased.

Just the same, if you classify a Mark V as a Hybrid amp, you're going to confuse a lot of people and probably insult them, too.

 

[glpg80]

there are active and passive EQ's, just like there are active and passive pickups.

if active was the same as passive, then EMG's would not require a battery for operation.

the tube signal tone is all analog, but the EQ is "hybrid" - you cannot passively boost a frequency range in an amplifier with a passive EQ, passive EQ's can only emphasize what is already there, and the choice of the bandpass filter capacitors is what chooses the frequency to take away or emphasize. you can take away, but also boost frequencies with active EQ's which gives you more control over the tonestack - but also somewhat more tone sucking.

passive is maxed at 10, and goes to 0. active has no neutral range and is either boosting at 10 or actively cutting at 0 or actively passing at 5.

it all comes to user choice - and probably why user settings differ with the amplifiers sounding like garbage or sounding simply amazing - it really would mean that those amplifiers could cut fine or get burried easily. definately an amplifier someone would need to know what they are doing.

 

[ttosh]

I like your idea of a second amp that has a more mid range cut for some applications. I was thinking of picking up a Bogner Shiva to see how it cut in the mid range, the 101b is quite dark.

This has been a very fun conversation though, I have learned a few things reading through this and that is what I love about this place.

umm Turn the presence up.

Presence, wow I did not know that knob existed....

 

[stefvorcide]

Does Andy Wood play with another guitar player in his band? It's a complete different story when you're the only guitar player. But with 2 players things get a little more interesting. I used to use an ADA rig and my friends JCM800 killed me everytime live. Best thing i ever did was to dump the rack. As for the Herbert, i feel it's too refined and not raw enough. I heard one live and it was terrible but i didn't like the player, user error? Still, the best amps I've heard live have mostly been Marshall with a few Boogies as well.

FYI There's another guy in DFU and he uses a VHT/Fryette...

I'd like to hear Peter D's opinion on herbie not cutting thru the mix. Seriously I just dont get it...

 

[stratotone]

Crank the mids, and don't run a ton of bass/low end. You're not the bass player! You can't take your super cool scoopy bedroom tone that has all that low end thump and no mids and make it sound right live without having the sound guy put a ton of mids through FOH and cutting your bass.

Also try to run less gain, it does wonders for projection. I always get amazed at guys who use gates live because they have so much gain and volume - the louder your amp is, the less gain you need. An expensive amp with the gain and master cranked usually sounds like an AM radio in between stations.

Pete

 

[ejecta]

Crank the mids, and don't run a ton of bass/low end. You're not the bass player! You can't take your super cool scoopy bedroom tone that has all that low end thump and no mids and make it sound right live without having the sound guy put a ton of mids through FOH and cutting your bass.

Also try to run less gain, it does wonders for projection. I always get amazed at guys who use gates live because they have so much gain and volume - the louder your amp is, the less gain you need. An expensive amp with the gain and master cranked usually sounds like an AM radio in between stations.

Pete

So much truth spoken in that post.