Anyone under 40 care?

[rlord1974]

In general I don't think the younger generation attach the same significance for anything to do with electric guitar.

It's cool to see younger players on the forum still carrying the torch, I just think they are in the minority for their age bracket.

Agreed. The kids today would rather get a couple of turntables and hit some molly with their friends at the club.

 

[Bob Savage]

If you reply to this post, please indicate above or below 40 years old.

I'm over 40, don't chase Eddie's tone and find it interesting when people in their 30's ask questions for clarification of broad, sweeping generalizations.

 

[Atropos_Project]

I get why people who are under 40 don't get into EVH. But it begs the question - who is "that" guy for the last couple generations?

I dunno, I certainly dug VH growing up, but seeing that I didn't pick guitar up till much later on, I never caught the 'I must sound like him!' phase. Looking back, I'd be far more interested in capturing his feel instead of his tone. Like Page (to me anyhow), his rhythm playing is actually more interesting than his soloing.

Still, I'm not sure there'd be a clear solitary player as the influence for younger guys. Dimebag seems like the most obvious choice, but Pantera is a fairly polarizing band to people for whatever reason.

 

[JerEvil]

"My heroes were Eddie Van Halen - especially after Van Halen I, II, III, and IV - Randy Rhoads, Ace Frehley and dudes like that. My brother played drums and we jammed in the garage and started writing our own stuff."

Dimebag Darrell


http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... 994-534866


Just sayin......

Dime was a great player.

But, Ace Frehley?!
There is NOTHING about his playing that I find even remotely interesting or unique or good.

The only influence I can see him and Kiss giving to young guitarists was the whole rock star image and stage show that they put on.
They were a rock band "SHOW". If they didn't have their costumes shtick and pyrotechniques they would have never become successful based on solely on their music.

What did Frehley ever play that is memorable?
That's a rhetorical question.

Wow! I can literally hum just about every solo Ace recorded with KISS. Alive! and Hotter Than Hell were my first 2 albums when I was like 6 years old and they remain 2 of my all time favorite albums. KISS used a tried and true formula with songwriting. They certainly never set out to be ground breaking. For the thousands of music afficianados that bash them, none will have a 100th of the success KISS had. I have yet to see a band besides KISS change styles do many times and still retain as large a fan base. Maybe Metallica. Literally millions of music listening non musicians would disagree about your Ace comment.

He was obviously a huge influence for me as was VH, Maiden, Priest but also a lot of thrash and neo-classical shred. I was more influenced by styles ofmudic as opposed to individual guitar players.

Aldo I just turned 39.

 

[guitarmike]

About Van Halen, or what amp he used. Serious question, I'm 36 and I can't understand the fascination with EVH or his tone. None of my guitar player friends my age cite Van Halen as an influence. Malmsteen, Freidman, Rhoads, and Dimebag are common influences among my guitar player friends, but EVH is rarely mentioned. Not disrespected, but more in the Hendrix/Page camp. Just didn't resonate with the guys my age. It's strange, growing up the first time I heard the "Ain't Talking About Love" riff was when 2 Live Crew sampled it(didn't listen to rap, just happened that way). Seems like EVH was a big deal for guys born in the late 50's and 60's, but faded after that. I've heard the isolated VH tracks and guys mimicking his tone, I don't care for the tone. I'm not saying it's bad or you shouldn't like it, my question is it an age/generational thing?

I do not believe it is an age issue, what you like is determined by what you were exposed to when you first got into music. I lived through most of the golden age of hard rock (1968-1992) and it was a great time. Think about all of the great hard rock albums released during that time, it was a time that will never be repeated. VH pulled the spot light off of disco and put it back on rock. Between 78-90 VH conquered the charts, it was a very cool time.

Hard rock/metal has not been able to re-capture the flag since 1992, I doubt it ever will.

As far as chasing VH tone, it is not my cup of tea but if it makes someone happy, more power to them. It is cool to enjoy music with others and if the folks searching for VH tone enjoy it, great. I remember Beatle tribute bands that copied everything in their quest to sound like the Beatles, I never understood it, but they had fun.

 

[jkdsteve]

I got into Van Halen in the Hagar Era....not ashamed of it either. I can appreciate, mostly via members of this board, what a game changer Ed was but it really has no meaning for me...44 this year,

 

[ChadVanHalen]

"My heroes were Eddie Van Halen - especially after Van Halen I, II, III, and IV - Randy Rhoads, Ace Frehley and dudes like that. My brother played drums and we jammed in the garage and started writing our own stuff."

Dimebag Darrell


http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... 994-534866


Just sayin......

Dime was a great player.

But, Ace Frehley?!
There is NOTHING about his playing that I find even remotely interesting or unique or good.

The only influence I can see him and Kiss giving to young guitarists was the whole rock star image and stage show that they put on.
They were a rock band "SHOW". If they didn't have their costumes shtick and pyrotechniques they would have never become successful based on solely on their music.

What did Frehley ever play that is memorable?
That's a rhetorical question.

Dude, don't bag on the Ace!
That dude's like the most influential guitar player to me. He's the one I was listening to and learning how to play that making a solo finally clicked. His playing was so bare bones and repetitive that I was able to put 2 and 2 together about lead guitar. Ya he ain't Edward or Randy, and he never practiced to be that which is why he got canned and got replaced by the speed king Vinnie Vincent, but the simple A pentatonic box solos eventually gave me one of the biggest AHA! moments of my guitar playing career

 

[nevusofota]

There is influence for getting you into a particular style of music than there are players who influence your technique.

I think that's where bands/players like Kiss and Poison come into play. Players like Frehley and Deville grabbed many with their mainstream chart topping song's that pulled many into rock guitar based music. Then you mature as a player and begin noticing the technicians (i.e. Malmsteen, Vai, Satriani, Gilbert, Petrucci etc).

That's what is amazing about Eddie. He was both.

 

[Rushtallica]

I think too much is made about the tone, as well -- not that it wasn't a great tone, because it was, and his playing style and tone worked together perfectly. But IMO it's not difficult to attain a good approximation of the tone nor important to really have that tone down unless playing in a VH tribute band or for an EVH fanatic. Even then, there have been more VH tones since the early days that a number of current high gain amps would work great for.

 

[Heritage Softail]

"My heroes were Eddie Van Halen - especially after Van Halen I, II, III, and IV - Randy Rhoads, Ace Frehley and dudes like that. My brother played drums and we jammed in the garage and started writing our own stuff."

Dimebag Darrell


http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... 994-534866


Just sayin......

Dime was a great player.

But, Ace Frehley?!
There is NOTHING about his playing that I find even remotely interesting or unique or good.

The only influence I can see him and Kiss giving to young guitarists was the whole rock star image and stage show that they put on.
They were a rock band "SHOW". If they didn't have their costumes shtick and pyrotechniques they would have never become successful based on solely on their music.

What did Frehley ever play that is memorable?
That's a rhetorical question.

Dude, don't bag on the Ace!
That dude's like the most influential guitar player to me. He's the one I was listening to and learning how to play that making a solo finally clicked. His playing was so bare bones and repetitive that I was able to put 2 and 2 together about lead guitar. Ya he ain't Edward or Randy, and he never practiced to be that which is why he got canned and got replaced by the speed king Vinnie Vincent, but the simple A pentatonic box solos eventually gave me one of the biggest AHA! moments of my guitar playing career

And collectively I don't thnk the VV era playing touched the Ace Era.

Great songwriters and players that fit the song are what people remember.

Jerry Cantrell does it. Who on the planet does not know of Angus? I would bet that there have been more total hours of listening time to the one song Back in Black than all of the listening hours of YJM total.

EVH is cool. He took flash fretboard gymnastics and crafted songs for parking lot keggers and getting cheerleaders out of tube tops.

Getting anal about the exact gear is missing the entire point.

Rockstah nailed it on a variety of amps.

 

[jharpersj]

Learn some of his songs like Mean Streets, you'll get it then :>

 

[skoora]

I don't think you get rock 'n' roll if you don't dig what Ace Frehley did. He's easily just as important to me as Eddie or Angus or Tony Iommi. I can understand if technical prowess is what turns your crank, he's not high on the list but he is rock 'n' roll spirit personified and I thought a lot of his solo's smoked. But I've never been into Satriani, Vai or any of the shredders, except maybe for Marty Friedman and Jeff Loomis. I'll never get or like Petrucci and to some that would be blasphemous so just different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Anonymous]

About Van Halen, or what amp he used. Serious question, I'm 36 and I can't understand the fascination with EVH or his tone. None of my guitar player friends my age cite Van Halen as an influence. Malmsteen, Freidman, Rhoads, and Dimebag are common influences among my guitar player friends, but EVH is rarely mentioned. Not disrespected, but more in the Hendrix/Page camp. Just didn't resonate with the guys my age. It's strange, growing up the first time I heard the "Ain't Talking About Love" riff was when 2 Live Crew sampled it(didn't listen to rap, just happened that way). Seems like EVH was a big deal for guys born in the late 50's and 60's, but faded after that. I've heard the isolated VH tracks and guys mimicking his tone, I don't care for the tone. I'm not saying it's bad or you shouldn't like it, my question is it an age/generational thing?

Try playing "Romeo Delight" or "I'm the One" start to finish getting the swing and nuances in the playing right and maybe you'll get it.

Steve

 

[Mesa\Kramer]

Mid 40's here

Was obsessed by all that 30 some years ago, but have moved on.

Still like the tones and playing, but more as an after thought these days.

The only thing that bugs me here, is how nearly every amp clip posted (personel or Amp builder posted)has to be filled with Van Halen riffs aint talkin bout love etc.
Especially anything Marshall Mod based.

Could care less, in fact i usually stop listening once that starts.
How well can the amp also do drop tunned tight Modern Rock/Metal or anything else?

 

[mixohoytian]

the REAL question is, "does anyone under 40 care?" (about anything)

Has the myspace generation produced anything to care about?

I'm 34 and I care a lot about Van Halen, VH 2 really is magical. I don't chase the tone, but I do love it.

ps

David Lee Roth > Lady Gaga

 

[Zap]

I'm 28. EVH was/is a monster player, but, there are a lot of other guys I would rather listen to instead. It doesn't help that I've always found VH as a band to be cheesy. A ton of respect for him as a player, however.

 

[311boogieman]

I know guys in their twentys that are complete Van Halen freaks

It is def a genre thing and not an age thing.

So you don't like Van Halen. No biggie.

It is your loss

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Also 36 and love the guys that trail blazed in the 70's and 80's and guys who just plain kicked ass. I totally get it as well. EVH was a killer player and he had great tone. Not only that, he is probably one of the best of his generation because he is/was unique and had this swing and timing in his playing that Randy didn't for example. He was raw, playful, and spawned a whole generation of kick ass players. I can't see how guitar players wouldn't find him a big deal?? When it comes to amps and chasing tone, I personally find such subjects really interesting. I am always up for which mod or which pups etc..

 

[jack butler]

Every player has subtleties to their playing, I don't think it's the details that make EVH popular.

About Van Halen, or what amp he used. Serious question, I'm 36 and I can't understand the fascination with EVH or his tone. None of my guitar player friends my age cite Van Halen as an influence. Malmsteen, Freidman, Rhoads, and Dimebag are common influences among my guitar player friends, but EVH is rarely mentioned. Not disrespected, but more in the Hendrix/Page camp. Just didn't resonate with the guys my age. It's strange, growing up the first time I heard the "Ain't Talking About Love" riff was when 2 Live Crew sampled it(didn't listen to rap, just happened that way). Seems like EVH was a big deal for guys born in the late 50's and 60's, but faded after that. I've heard the isolated VH tracks and guys mimicking his tone, I don't care for the tone. I'm not saying it's bad or you shouldn't like it, my question is it an age/generational thing?

Try playing "Romeo Delight" or "I'm the One" start to finish getting the swing and nuances in the playing right and maybe you'll get it.

Steve

 

[metalmaniac93]

I am 46 and was fascinated with EVH tone up until Fair Warning and moved on to other 80's and 90's guitarists tone from there without looking back!!! Don't care about chasing anyone's tone anymore and have not for quite a while!!!