Biden states that illegal migrants have built the United States of America?

[Floyd Eye]

A country that can't control its borders loses its sovereignty.

Says the guy who's country is being overrun with Muslims.

 

[Floyd Eye]

There is just a lot of grey area. “Illegal” implies something criminal, and it’s not criminal to come in to our country. It also implies , to me at least, that it can’t be changed. The only difference between an “illegal” immigrant and a “legal” one is some paperwork. Documents if you will.

I mean I’m not saying they should not complete the paperwork, it’s of course important, but that is something our country has to do better at making sure happens.

But that is what makes the divide. People who think immigration is harmful use “illegal” because of it’s connotations, and people who think immigration is important tend to use undocumented because of its lack of connotations.

America is far from perfect, but immigration is in our DNA. I think it would be wrong to stop it, we just happen to be in a time where it’s getting away from us.

It's not criminal to break the law ? Jesus Dan, you eat a bowl of stupid this morning ?

 

[Thumbpicker]

Says the guy who's country is being overrun with Muslims.

That is actually legal though and controlled as much as I don't like it.

What the democrats are allowing over there is the stuff of insanity. It's basically saying they don't respect their own laws and border security.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

It's not criminal to break the law ? Jesus Dan, you eat a bowl of stupid this morning ?

I’m saying it’s not a criminal offense.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Not a criminal offense?
Must have had a fourth helping of stupidflakes, instead of the usual three.

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

It's not criminal to break the law ? Jesus Dan, you eat a bowl of stupid this morning ?

He just says things with words he heard about.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I’m saying it’s not a criminal offense.

And you're wrong. And you watch too much TV.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Not a criminal offense?
Must have had a fourth helping of stupidflakes, instead of the usual three.

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

Correct it is a civil offense

A federal court could chose to try you for a criminal offense, and then you could be a criminal after that

I don’t make the rules dude

 

[Dan Gleesak]

And you're wrong. And you watch too much TV.

lol I get most of my news from this place

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

Holy, that dumbfuck tries to spin everything.

From the link:

Criminal Penalties for Improper Entry to the United States​

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both.


For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

 

[Floyd Eye]

Quit being a dumbass Dan.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Holy, that dumbfuck tries to spin everything.

From the link:

Criminal Penalties for Improper Entry to the United States​

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both.


For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

That’s what I said. It can be chosen to be tried as a criminal offense.

But it is a civil offense. Being caught and deported is a civil penalty

 

[Thumbpicker]

Technically Dan is right in the US at least... however instead of illegal you can use the word unlawful in terms of civil offences. However that doesn't mean they shouldn't be deported.

 

[NowYou'rePlayingWithPower]

"Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed."

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Technically Dan is right in the US at least... however instead of illegal you can use the word unlawful in terms of civil offences. However that doesn't mean they shouldn't be deported.

Definitely. It’s all a stupid technicality. I don’t go around correcting people about it, but in a thread that is a video of a guy saying “sorry i said illegal, I should have said undocumented”, pointing out the stupid technicality is prudent imo

 

[Floyd Eye]

Technically Dan is right in the US at least... however instead of illegal you can use the word unlawful in terms of civil offences. However that doesn't mean they shouldn't be deported.

No, he isn't. Are you an expert on US law ? Unlawful IS illegal. You watch too much fucking TV too.

Jesus fucking christ. You guys all go fucking retarded today. Breaking into the country illegaly is against the god damn law. Period. The only reason there is suddenly a distinction is the mother fucking progressives and their bullshit. Even Biden ranted against illegal immigrants not too long ago. About the same time Bill fucking Clinton was using the slogan " Make America Great Again".

 

[Thumbpicker]

No, he isn't. Are you an expert on US law ? Unlawful IS illegal. You watch too much fucking TV too.

Jesus fucking christ. You guys all go fucking retarded today. Breaking into the country illegaly is against the god damn law. Period. The only reason there is suddenly a distinction is the mother fucking progressives and their bullshit. Even Biden ranted against illegal immigrants not too long ago. About the same time Bill fucking Clinton was using the slogan " Make America Great Again".

It depends according to Wikipedia.

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Visa overstay isn't a crime... illegal entry appears to be. So it seems to depend on the method of entry.

The original thing I read was by some Civil liberties body so I was mislead ie. they have a vested interest.

By the way, settle down - anyone can work out the answer to almost anything with enough reading these days.

 

[Floyd Eye]

It depends according to Wikipedia.

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Visa overstay isn't a crime... illegal entry appears to be. So it seems to depend on the method of entry.

The original thing I read was by some Civil liberties body so I was mislead ie. they have a vested interest.

By the way, settle down - anyone can work out the answer to almost anything with enough reading these days.

Wikipedia ? Really dude ? That's not a legitimate source for anything, much less US constitutional law.

And dude, you telling me to settle down is funny. I've really had enough of you constantly bashing my country and my countrymen. I don't fucking do it to you.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Wikipedia ? Really dude ? That's not a legitimate source for anything, much less US constitutional law.

And dude, you telling me to settle down is funny. I've really had enough of you constantly bashing my country and my countrymen. I don't fucking do it to you.

Given you know I'm against illegal immigration into the US and Australia or anywhere for that matter I'm not sure why you think that's bashing your country.

OK may your country be entered by illegals like your wonderful and wise leader wants. Things are so good and sensible in the USA these days I wish our system was like theirs - happier?

Is that what you want me to say to stay happy? Do you really believe that?

I don't know you at the moment. If you want to think the worst of me fine because I'm only a loyal friend up to a point. I'm sure you don't give a shit. Maybe I shouldn't either. I can go "cold as a stone" just like that too if I choose to.