Bogner 412 with 1987 g12t75s

[Racerxrated]

Best low vol speakers imo are greenbacks. Altec 417s also but not many here use them. Plus they're hard to find and not cheap when you do. All Celestions sound best when pushed; but boxy is a thing really with any cab/speaker when you're at whisper volumes.

You may not be a T75 person....lots of others to try that you may like much better.

 

[Nigel]

Tell me how you mic the cab. Because I have been wholly unsuccessful in getting a good sound. If I get too close, I clip the mic, and if I am far away enough to mic, it sounds boxy and distant. Any tips would be appreciated. Thing is dynamite for vocals and acoustics though

Yeah I bought the clip but haven't used it much at all because I'm a V30 guy and Mesa spec V30's with one 57 is the shit.

I agree it sounds killer on vocals and acoustic guitars.

I doubt very seriously that you can clip that mic with a guitar amp though, you are likely overdriving the preamp. When I did use the mic on guitars I had to put a pad in-line, like -20dB to prevent it.

 

[GuitarManTim]

Best low vol speakers imo are greenbacks. Altec 417s also but not many here use them. Plus they're hard to find and not cheap when you do. All Celestions sound best when pushed; but boxy is a thing really with any cab/speaker when you're at whisper volumes.

You may not be a T75 person....lots of others to try that you may like much better.

The marshall cab i had before I think there was something wrong with it as it sounded boxy and small even with a 2203 cranked into it. The bogner cab is very clear and open when loud and sounds 20 times better regardless of the volume, im mainly just confused by the super high frequency fizz as I thought most speakers had a steep drop off after 8k so I guess im more concerned that there may be something wrong with the speakers. I love the tone of speakers and its my favorite of all the cabs and speakers ive tried so far when its pushed its just the fizz thats bothering me mostly though its not thay easy to hear when really playing loud.

 

[Smash]

Yeah I bought the clip but haven't used it much at all because I'm a V30 guy and Mesa spec V30's with one 57 is the shit.

I agree it sounds killer on vocals and acoustic guitars.

I doubt very seriously that you can clip that mic with a guitar amp though, you are likely overdriving the preamp. When I did use the mic on guitars I had to put a pad in-line, like -20dB to prevent it.

Yes. That is exactly what i was doing. Man, thanks so much. This is exactly what i needed. I had no idea such a thing existed

 

[Smash]

Yeah I bought the clip but haven't used it much at all because I'm a V30 guy and Mesa spec V30's with one 57 is the shit.

I agree it sounds killer on vocals and acoustic guitars.

I doubt very seriously that you can clip that mic with a guitar amp though, you are likely overdriving the preamp. When I did use the mic on guitars I had to put a pad in-line, like -20dB to prevent it.

I record at between 107 and 120 dbs. Do you think a -20 is enough?

 

[7704A]

I record at between 107 and 120 dbs. Do you think a -20 is enough?

194dB or bust, man. If you aren't creating shockwaves, are you even playing?

 

[thegame]

Even the earliest 75s with the vents have a raspy top end, relative to most other Celestions. Earlier ones have much less of it, or at least have more mids which makes those scratchy highs stick out less obviously, but it’s still there and is fundamentally part and parcel of the 75 voicing.

 

[GuitarManTim]

Even the earliest 75s with the vents have a raspy top end, relative to most other Celestions. Earlier ones have much less of it, or at least have more mids which makes those scratchy highs stick out less obviously, but it’s still there and is fundamentally part and parcel of the 75 voicing.

I love everything about the speakers at volume but the sort of fizzy highs, but i just got back from Nashville and bought a tc2240 so maybe I can just cut out a little of those highs in the fx loop with it. I was using the parametric eq in my fractal in the fx loop but im hoping the tc2240 might help me smooth the highs out without sounding too dull like with the fractal. I dont really like the parametric eq in the fractal as much as other eqs ive tried in the past.

 

[GuitarManTim]

Best low vol speakers imo are greenbacks. Altec 417s also but not many here use them. Plus they're hard to find and not cheap when you do. All Celestions sound best when pushed; but boxy is a thing really with any cab/speaker when you're at whisper volumes.

You may not be a T75 person....lots of others to try that you may like much better.

For new production greenbacks what would you personally recommend?

 

[Racerxrated]

For new production greenbacks what would you personally recommend?

The EVH version, which is essentially the Heritage 20w that isn't made anymore(afaik). The EVH version is based on the OG M20 that was made in 1966-67. When Celestion made the Heritage version, it was 199 vs 159 for the EVH(a few yrs back). Same speaker though.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestion-G12-EVH-Guitar-Speaker/dp/B0012TBIHM?th=1

 

[GuitarManTim]

The EVH version, which is essentially the Heritage 20w that isn't made anymore(afaik). The EVH version is based on the OG M20 that was made in 1966-67. When Celestion made the Heritage version, it was 199 vs 159 for the EVH(a few yrs back). Same speaker though.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestion-G12-EVH-Guitar-Speaker/dp/B0012TBIHM?th=1

In your opinion do they sound really close to older greenbacks when broken in? I was actually considering that speaker or a scumback speaker but that might should be for another thread.

 

[Racerxrated]

In your opinion do they sound really close to older greenbacks when broken in? I was actually considering that speaker or a scumback speaker but that might should be for another thread.

I haven't played any Scumbacks but I trust that they'd also be a great choice. I recently got a 1968 Straight cab(empty, original handles/grill/caster cups but the tolex was stripped, and the whole thing is painted black) and also found 3 1969 Pulsonic 1221s for a good price. The 4th speaker I installed is a Heritage 20w just like the EVH. Fits the tone of the other 3 vintage GBs perfectly.
You won't go wrong with the EVH 20s or a Scumback version.

 

[Nigel]

I record at between 107 and 120 dbs. Do you think a -20 is enough?

-20 or even -24. I’ve got one I can sell you if you need one. I only need one and have two.

 

[Nigel]

The EVH version, which is essentially the Heritage 20w that isn't made anymore(afaik). The EVH version is based on the OG M20 that was made in 1966-67. When Celestion made the Heritage version, it was 199 vs 159 for the EVH(a few yrs back). Same speaker though.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestion-G12-EVH-Guitar-Speaker/dp/B0012TBIHM?th=1

King Edward’s contributions to players young and old are practically Saintly at this point.

 

[Smash]

-20 or even -24. I’ve got one I can sell you if you need one. I only need one and have two.

Shit. I would have bought it. I ordered a shure. It has a -15,-20,-25 db switch

 

[Smash]

The EVH version, which is essentially the Heritage 20w that isn't made anymore(afaik). The EVH version is based on the OG M20 that was made in 1966-67. When Celestion made the Heritage version, it was 199 vs 159 for the EVH(a few yrs back). Same speaker though.
https://www.amazon.com/Celestion-G12-EVH-Guitar-Speaker/dp/B0012TBIHM?th=1

I loved those speakers and the evh cab honestly. Not a huge evh fan, but that was a great cab

 

[metalmm785]

I think I had similar speakers at one point in a 1986-88 JCM800 cab (non-vented white label G12-T75s). I know some people love them, but they are pretty bright, and there was something in the high end that I couldn't get used to, so I sold them.

I don't have anything against 75s. They have a specific sound. I have an Uberkab with 2 75s and 2 V30s and that cab sounds great. Maybe try mixing them with another set of speakers in an X pattern or put the 75s in the bottom.