Bogner xtc 101b or axe fx

[stratotone]

How about Bogner Line 6 VS Axe fX.....

I'm still confused why Bogner did this, unless it was just to get his name into more households.

He probably gets paid per unit, doesn't have to do any manufacturing, just design it, and let Line6 back up to his door with a bunch of money. Plus it does get his name out there... and I think Line6 may have something to do with the distribution of the Alchemist amps too. If not, the deal with Line6 certainly didn't hurt.

Pete

 

[boof]

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model

Bad example on the SLO, mine is mint and I paid well under $2k for mine a few weeks ago

yup. walk out of the store with a new bogner and al of a sudden it is worth half the price. Now if they stop making the xtc then you might get the fish effect in a few years..

 

[shreder75]

hacky sack? not sure I understand what that's all about

 

[Tone Merchant]

I talk to several people a day on the phone or in the shop about the Axe Fx. And the first thing someone will usually ask is. Will I be able to replace my amp. i will then ask what they are using and if they are using a crappy amp, I will tell them yes. However, If they have a killer amp already, I tell them to keep the amp, save up for the Axe Fx and then use both in a 4 cable method with a switcher. That way you can use the Axe Fx with your amp and also use the preamp sounds of the Axe Fx. Dave Friedman is wiring alot of guys rigs these days like that and to me its the best of both worlds. Just take 6 months and save the dough and have your favorite amp with the Axe Fx

 

[gibson5413]

Lets have a head count then, who here has had amp(s) for at least 10 years?
Me...
JMP...got it in 79 used, sold it to my Brother in 89, bought it back in 2002...17 years
JMP 50 watter,...got it in 97....12 years

Stuff I just sold or am about to sell...
THD Plexi, had it for 11 years
Mesa T-verb had it for 16 years

I still have my Peavey Butcher head I bought brand new in 1986. Unfortunately, it is in my parents storage facility in Boston, MA. I will be there this fall and will finally unearth it and bring it home. That thing is built like a tank.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

Plus Cliff has updated the firmware (including new amp sims) several times for *free*. Take your TSL Marshall into the local repair center and ask for the JVM upgrade.

and apparently has plans for at least 5 years of available updates before anything in the Ultra needs to be replaced or runs out of cpu power...

Resale? whatever, buy used, buy smart - just like anything else. Are you buying gear to play, or to look at it and think "man, can you hear the resale value there - the mid level resale tones are just smoking..." Scottosan - you've been around for a long time and are an acknowleged gear slut, but you'll probably find yourself a victim of your own argument with your Alchemist (cool little amp BTW)

We'll see where this goes. I got a good deal on a used Ultra, the power amp I won't lose a dime on neither will a used controller...if it doesnt work out worse case scenario is it was a $100 or two experiment - no biggie.

I absolutely get the resistance and agree with 99% of the arguments pro / con...I had a little speach all pre packaged and ready for Jason about what a cute toy it was. That went out the window immediatley. I clearly benefitted from his time spent with the Black Box and admit that if it had shown up on my doorstep and I was left to my own devices that thing would be leaving skid marks from being returned so fast. Lots of stuff going on and I needed someone familiar with it to show me around. I think this is a huge factor in peoples adverse initial experiences with the AxeFx. I'm willing to bet that 75% of the people that comment "it doesnt sound or feel like a 'real' amp" have not played through one.

One other aspect to consider is this: While some may feel the amp sims are not dead on exact clones of different amps - thats cool too. There is a real opportunity to create your own sounds here, the things that are between the Bogner tones and the SLO tones or whatever else. I gave up an expensive amp that to me had one really good sound and two ok tones, for something that has unlimited potential. For me thats a win-win situation but YMMV.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

hacky sack? not sure I understand what that's all about

Dave Matthews, Jack Johnson - you know "hackey sack" bro

 

[jcj]

I talk to several people a day on the phone or in the shop about the Axe Fx. And the first thing someone will usually ask is. Will I be able to replace my amp. i will then ask what they are using and if they are using a crappy amp, I will tell them yes. However, If they have a killer amp already, I tell them to keep the amp, save up for the Axe Fx and then use both in a 4 cable method with a switcher. That way you can use the Axe Fx with your amp and also use the preamp sounds of the Axe Fx. Dave Friedman is wiring alot of guys rigs these days like that and to me its the best of both worlds. Just take 6 months and save the dough and have your favorite amp with the Axe Fx

Winner

Thanks again for all of your help and patience, Rob. I'll be in touch as soon as I get a couple of more things squared away.

 

[degenaro]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

 

[shreder75]

hacky sack? not sure I understand what that's all about

Dave Matthews, Jack Johnson - you know "hackey sack" bro

uh, still don't get it =)

 

[Digital Jams]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

 

[kannibul]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Two counter-points...

Fractal having supply/demand issues?

Were you looking at a used listing on ebay? (preferrably for the same relative age/condition w/ SLO listing you mentioned earlier)

 

[kannibul]

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

(mocking reference relating to "investing in things that tend to not hold their value, but for some reason a bunch of people thought it was a good idea..." thing...)

So, you're saying that I should buy a Harley, not ride it and keep it in the garage, and I can sell it for more than I paid for it in a couple years?

 

[degenaro]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Two counter-points...

Fractal having supply/demand issues?

Were you looking at a used listing on ebay? (preferrably for the same relative age/condition w/ SLO listing you mentioned earlier)

Ultra is in stock...so no the supply not being there changed about a year ago.
Well, the Spider Valve I sold is like 14 month old, compare that.

This whole argument is kinda moot. I don't get gear and worry about depreciation, otherwise all the dings I put into my guitars would be freaking me out.

 

[Digital Jams]

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

(mocking reference relating to "investing in things that tend to not hold their value, but for some reason a bunch of people thought it was a good idea..." thing...)

So, you're saying that I should buy a Harley, not ride it and keep it in the garage, and I can sell it for more than I paid for it in a couple years?

Harley saturated the market because share holders told them to, used prices have fallen off the cliff and show rooms are full of bikes going nowhere.

So no Jeff, do not buy that mid life crisis low powered scooter because it will not go up in value.

In the end if you are worried about resale you probably cant afford it in the first place.

 

[Marshall Freak]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

Not really, the Axe is only high right now used because it's new and in demand and has been a waiting list kind of thing. Kind of like how Klon's are 100 more used than they are new etc. In a year or so , production will catch up, and used prices will drop. The standards prices have already dropped some from what I've seen. Also, like every piece of computer electronics made, it will become obsolete to some degree. Sure people are using FX from the eighties still, but look at their new price compared to the price their bringing now. You can debate all day about certain rack FX from the past that are still high, but you can also see JTM 45's that are 10k, and 100Bs that are over 4k. With the rapid rate of technology, chances of the Axe FX going into that category are slim to none, or many other current amps for that matter.

That said, I still have no axe to grind (pun not intended ) it's not for me, but I have heard some great tones from some of the clips, and I think it's cool what they're doing. I'd like to have one someday, but not at the prices they sell for, knowing what I know about my abilities to get along with things like that. ;-)

 

[stratotone]

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

This is why I buy used, and at the best deal I can find. I have a little more than current price in my Bogner, but if I ever sold it and compared what I lost $$$ wise with how much playing enjoyment I've had, it's fine with me.

I bought my Fractal standard for $1250 used. I think it's still selling for around that, even if I lost a hundy or two compared to how much use I've had, it's still a wash.

Jeff, how much did you lose on those new Marshalls you bought? TSL, JVM?

 

[degenaro]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

Not really, the Axe is only high right now used because it's new and in demand and has been a waiting list kind of thing. Kind of like how Klon's are 100 more used than they are new etc. In a year or so , production will catch up, and used prices will drop. The standards prices have already dropped some from what I've seen. Also, like every piece of computer electronics made, it will become obsolete to some degree. Sure people are using FX from the eighties still, but look at their new price compared to the price their bringing now. You can debate all day about certain rack FX from the past that are still high, but you can also see JTM 45's that are 10k, and 100Bs that are over 4k. With the rapid rate of technology, chances of the Axe FX going into that category are slim to none, or many other current amps for that matter.

That said, I still have no axe to grind (pun not intended ) it's not for me, but I have heard some great tones from some of the clips, and I think it's cool what they're doing. I'd like to have one someday, but not at the prices they sell for, knowing what I know about my abilities to get along with things like that. ;-)

There is no disagreement that computer stuff won't hold its value long term from me.
That said, define new...the Axe is out what now? 3 years?

 

[Marshall Freak]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

Not really, the Axe is only high right now used because it's new and in demand and has been a waiting list kind of thing. Kind of like how Klon's are 100 more used than they are new etc. In a year or so , production will catch up, and used prices will drop. The standards prices have already dropped some from what I've seen. Also, like every piece of computer electronics made, it will become obsolete to some degree. Sure people are using FX from the eighties still, but look at their new price compared to the price their bringing now. You can debate all day about certain rack FX from the past that are still high, but you can also see JTM 45's that are 10k, and 100Bs that are over 4k. With the rapid rate of technology, chances of the Axe FX going into that category are slim to none, or many other current amps for that matter.

That said, I still have no axe to grind (pun not intended ) it's not for me, but I have heard some great tones from some of the clips, and I think it's cool what they're doing. I'd like to have one someday, but not at the prices they sell for, knowing what I know about my abilities to get along with things like that. ;-)

There is no disagreement that computer stuff won't hold its value long term from me.
That said, define new...the Axe is out what now? 3 years?

But up until a matter of months ago, the Ultra was still on a waiting list. The standard has dropped quite a bit since the ultra came out and basically started making it obsolete hasn't it? Or have they both always been available?

Also, what happens to the value when another company inevitably starts making something similar or even better/faster/cheaper? What's happened to POD sales discussions since the Axe-FX came out? Beta/VHS/DVD/Blue Ray...

 

[Digital Jams]

No opinion on this other than the "in 10 years" concept around here is freakin' hilarious.
How many folks have their amps past 6 month?

Even then, what's the resale value on the AxeFX compared to an Amp?


This is especially true when in "6 months", after the hype dies out.

I wasn't arguing the amp vs. AxeFx point, I was merely saying the idea of worrying about 10 years around here when the average life span before selling and buying something else is what about 3-9 month around here.
As for any perceived hyp, I've seen the "when the hype dies down" comment since before I got mine and I had for a year.

On the hype thing - I mentioned 6 months only because you mentioned that some don't keep their amps 6 months (no offense intended, just a reference point). While true, it plays into the whole deal.

When the hype dies down, which could be in 6 months, or a year, or 2 years - it will eventually die down, because something bigger/better will come out....the AxeFX will have lost at least 50% of it's value.

Meanwhile the Bogner (or other high-dollar amp) will stay to the same general value as they are today. The SLO is a great example. Still going for about 50-66% retail price, depending on condition/age (50% being more towards a road-beaten, spray-painted late 80's model)

At the end of hte day, most people will look at hte AxeFX as a piece of software running on some cheap hardware, and as the software becomes more "aged" relevant to newer, better software, running on newer, better hardware - it's value will plummet.

Example, how much is an original POD going for these days compared to a POD 3.0?

Anyhow, yeah, 10-year retention is a bit long for this forum

Again, that was my point, but I'll bite.
SLO is 4400 retail/3740 street, completed listing on ebay is 2100, that is less than 50 off retail. I assume you were talking street so that sold for 44% off street.
I just sold an Soldano Avenger with DeYoungs and the regular street is 1850, so lets call the one with the DeYoungs that isn't made anymore 2100 street...sold it for 1300...39% off street.
Sold a VHT SIG X for 40% off street.
Sold a VHT D60 for 42% off street price.
Sold a Spider Valve head for 40% off street

AxeFx Ultra is 1995 street, completed listing on ebay 1945.-, sold for 3% off street price.

So If I sold my Ultra right now after a year of using it I'd loose nearly nothing.

So your logic doesn't really work for the comparison.

Well that about kills this odd and very weird talk about investing in current guitar amps.........................................................................

Not really, the Axe is only high right now used because it's new and in demand and has been a waiting list kind of thing. Kind of like how Klon's are 100 more used than they are new etc. In a year or so , production will catch up, and used prices will drop. The standards prices have already dropped some from what I've seen. Also, like every piece of computer electronics made, it will become obsolete to some degree. Sure people are using FX from the eighties still, but look at their new price compared to the price their bringing now. You can debate all day about certain rack FX from the past that are still high, but you can also see JTM 45's that are 10k, and 100Bs that are over 4k. With the rapid rate of technology, chances of the Axe FX going into that category are slim to none, or many other current amps for that matter.

That said, I still have no axe to grind (pun not intended ) it's not for me, but I have heard some great tones from some of the clips, and I think it's cool what they're doing. I'd like to have one someday, but not at the prices they sell for, knowing what I know about my abilities to get along with things like that. ;-)

I agree only time will tell what happens to the axe in regards to resale value in the next 5-10 years, there are some processors that have maintained value due to multiple reasons but the same could be said of some of the amps you have listed.

The 100b is known for Vai just as 2290s and H3000s are known to be in every studio so they maintain value. They have star power behind them.

I know for a fact my JVM will be worth maybe $500 in 10 years but dont care right now