jmgman69
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rlord1974":3557luhz said:
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Heritage Softail
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bhuard75":1bbjvuo5 said:
Too common..
They need lightning bolts and a cup holder
Billy Blades sig Bugera!
FTW!
bhuard75
Techdeath’s Resident Asshole Student
Heritage Softail":oj26ltjo said:
Your not kidding. WTF was I thinking.
311boogieman
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Thanks for joining Rig-Talk to discuss your company's point of view.VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:
VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:
Really?VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:
No. Just no.VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:by designing the INFINIUM tube life extender and incorporating it into many of our classic design models. Basically a tube can fail completely and the amp will auto bias the remaining tubes and redirect power there to get you through a gig. On many of our amplifiers (with INFINIUM), you can swap tubes with virtually anything you can socket - similar to the old THD trick (i'm a big fan of Andy's designs
VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:Some other interesting facts (I hope anyway
1. - Company failure rates are far below 1%
2. - BUGERA amplifiers come with a 3-YEAR warranty, the longest warranty in the industry.
3. - We have a NEW! CARE CENTER in the US, and they have an ample supply of parts and expert technical information.
1.) 'Far below 1%' Really? I have seen (on Thomann and other sources) that the failure rate is higher than 1%. I have statistics from Thomann that show +3% for sure, unfortunately that is the only one I can still find. For some reason I don't think Thomann lists failure rates anymore.
2.) Longest warranty in the industry at 3 years? Seriously, what are they teaching you over there.
3.) Then why does it take so long, as of this day, for people to get parts and answers?
I'm not sure what those two URLs are supposed to prove. We already understand that you sell a lot of product.VPIADIVISION":ez55wgg9 said:
Wonderful. Thank you as well for signing up here to absorb some criticism and provide facts to refute the accusations.Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
Again, as noted, we are all very happy for you and your company. I personally really like the the V22. Cool little amp. I'm not sure if it is a copy of anything and I have heard of very few problems with it. Although I don't agree with your business model per say, I have to give kudos to your marketing department for pumping up your amps and getting so many shipped out of the factory.Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
BTW - the comparison from someone else between Bugera to Cameron are ridiculous. Two completely different things in my opinion.
Is it safe to say that most of your buyers are young and inexperienced? Is it true that most of your amps are sold on-line and not in stores? What was the reasoning behind the plastic clip from the power transformer to the board?Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
Poor tube quality seem to be one of the biggest culprits in your high gain amp failures. Tubes are actually not fragile by the way. If you test them so extremely well then why are your tubes causing so many problems? For what it is worth, I do not see Infinium working as you, and Bugera, claim. Also, removing the external test points and bias potentiometer in the new series was a mistake in my opinion. Can you explain to me what exact researh and dev went into this Infinium technology? What about Varipower? Is that part of your intellectual property rights as well? Yes, the TriRec sounds good in the online demos I've seen.Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
Again, how is this different than say what Mesa or Egnater does? I'm not smart enough to read schematics and determine that on my own. If you have schematics, that would be great though.Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
:lol LOL:Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
Thanks for listening.Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
Hopefully, this will turn out differently than another experience of mine on another web site where a Music Group Manager from Seattle came on, said he would answer any questions, and then never came back. He also created multiple accounts on that web site, which is against forum rules.
Best regards,
Some guy on the Internet
Edit: I don't consider myself a 'Hater'. Funny you should bring that term up.
Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
PS: I just saw this. 'Pass on these savings'? Really?
Looks like Flux'd is just an internet browser like myself. That's what we do in forums. We praise and criticize. We are not direct competitors of yours, like Peavey. We are utilizing free speech to bring up topics that we want addressed. For what it is worth, we criticize all kinds of brands here (right or wrong) so you'll just have to get used to it. Marshall, Egnater, Splawn, Cameron, Friedman, etc. The list goes on. They are get criticized at one point or another.
Joe Sanborn":ez55wgg9 said:
You've been working on 'LifeTube' for over three years? How is it different than the JetCity version that was brought up or its original design from the 60's as mentioned. Seriously, how is it different?
OK. Thanks, Bye.
Ippon
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Does TGP have a similar thread? 
dave_mc
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^ they'd need to put another zero on the end of their prices to interest the tgpers...
also:
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Joe Sanborn
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Dear 311splawndude,
Thank you for making an effort to collect all those quotes. Since we have sold over 300,000 amps to date, there are obviously many customers who are more than happy and perhaps you might want to add some of their comments as well.
Don’t get me wrong, we certainly encounter amp defects and when looking at these comments, it is clear that you can find some genuine customers with genuine problems. With so many amps sold, the absolute number of defects must be higher compared to brands who sell vastly fewer amps.
It is sad to say that we are also encountering people on forums who have a different agenda, to the point that we believe some are really competitors who try are trying to disparage our Brand. When we contact some of these people and ask for details such as serial numbers etc., we never hear back, raising our suspicions further.
From our experience, 95% of all defects relate to tubes, and according to feedback from dealers, this is common among tube amp manufacturers. Tubes are very fragile electro-mechanical components and any mechanical impact can have severe consequences.
While we test every tube excessively through a 48-hour burn-in and vibration procedure, it is usually the transportation impact that leads to defects. A short-circuit within a tube can shut down the whole amp and blow fuses. As explained earlier, this is why we invented our Infinium technology that prevents this from happening and only the defective tube is shut down.
Allow me to post a statement from our CEO Uli Behringer regarding this topic:
"First is the issue of product reliability and the public perception about our products in that regard.
To be clear, there is no manufacturer who can guarantee defect-free products no matter how much emphasis they put on using quality components and quality assurance systems. Ultimately all products will fail – the question really is when and how. Just look at how many times NASA has to cancel or delay space launches as an extreme example or how frequently high-quality automotive companies have to recall cars.
In the electronics industry we buy components from reputable semiconductor manufacturers such as Analog Devices, Texas Instruments, Motorola and others who specify their anticipated component failure rates in ppm (which stands for "parts per million"). Those ppm numbers sound very low but consider what happens when for example 7,000 parts are combined into one large mixer. Suddenly, the statistical failure rate increases dramatically and now you’re talking significant percentages.
There is however a persistent belief in the marketplace that our products are more prone to failure than those of other manufacturers. This false perception is driven by a second important dynamic that isn’t really clear to many people. That is the sheer volume of product that we produce and sell; more than 5 million pieces annually! When you think about it, even 1% of that volume equates to 50,000 pieces; enough to ensure that our products are going to be found on a repair bench more often than others.
The reality is that our products are much better than this perception would lead one to believe. With 5 million products a year and the slim margins we work on, if our products were generally fault-prone we would have been out of business long ago. Instead we focus on failure prevention where the cost is far lower than trying to clean up a mess through after-sale service. Our dramatic growth underlines that customers are happy with what they are buying from us.
That said we are the first to admit that we are certainly not perfect and have made mistakes in the past. But we have improved greatly and continue to get better every day by making the necessary investments in the equipment and fantastic people who care and who take immense pride in what they do.
As a direct result, we have now reached a quality level that allows us to confidently offer a 3-Year Warranty Program since the beginning of this year.
I must admit however that our customer service left something to be desired in recent years.
As our business doubled year over year, we failed to take proper care of our customers and struggled to build the support infrastructure. We relied on external service centers and third party spare parts providers that clearly didn’t work and I apologize for that on behalf of the Company.
We’ve learned our lesson and have since made significant investments in our Customer Care Operation. We have recently purchased a state-of-the-art facility in Las Vegas that houses our US response team, repair depot and parts fulfillment. We also repurposed our Midas manufacturing facility in Kidderminster, UK to serve as our European Care Center. Overall, our Care Division now employs over 125 employees on four continents providing support in 7 languages and we’re investing more.
As part of that process we determined that our core strengths (and interest) lay in product design, engineering and manufacturing.
We also discovered that historically we were not particularly good at several areas of our business which included service, support and distribution and so we set about to make fundamental changes across the business.
These changes include a massive investment in after-sale service through our newly-formed CARE group.
In fact, we renamed Service to CARE because it underlines what we believe is the central theme of the department - to care for our customers. This investment has added some incredible people, the best tools available and new, fully-stocked repair and support facilities across the world.
While we haven't achieved the desired Customer Care level yet, it is our Company goal is to provide the very best customer experience in the industry."
http://www.behringer.com/news/music-gro ... perations/
Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
Thank you for making an effort to collect all those quotes. Since we have sold over 300,000 amps to date, there are obviously many customers who are more than happy and perhaps you might want to add some of their comments as well.
Don’t get me wrong, we certainly encounter amp defects and when looking at these comments, it is clear that you can find some genuine customers with genuine problems. With so many amps sold, the absolute number of defects must be higher compared to brands who sell vastly fewer amps.
It is sad to say that we are also encountering people on forums who have a different agenda, to the point that we believe some are really competitors who try are trying to disparage our Brand. When we contact some of these people and ask for details such as serial numbers etc., we never hear back, raising our suspicions further.
From our experience, 95% of all defects relate to tubes, and according to feedback from dealers, this is common among tube amp manufacturers. Tubes are very fragile electro-mechanical components and any mechanical impact can have severe consequences.
While we test every tube excessively through a 48-hour burn-in and vibration procedure, it is usually the transportation impact that leads to defects. A short-circuit within a tube can shut down the whole amp and blow fuses. As explained earlier, this is why we invented our Infinium technology that prevents this from happening and only the defective tube is shut down.
Allow me to post a statement from our CEO Uli Behringer regarding this topic:
"First is the issue of product reliability and the public perception about our products in that regard.
To be clear, there is no manufacturer who can guarantee defect-free products no matter how much emphasis they put on using quality components and quality assurance systems. Ultimately all products will fail – the question really is when and how. Just look at how many times NASA has to cancel or delay space launches as an extreme example or how frequently high-quality automotive companies have to recall cars.
In the electronics industry we buy components from reputable semiconductor manufacturers such as Analog Devices, Texas Instruments, Motorola and others who specify their anticipated component failure rates in ppm (which stands for "parts per million"). Those ppm numbers sound very low but consider what happens when for example 7,000 parts are combined into one large mixer. Suddenly, the statistical failure rate increases dramatically and now you’re talking significant percentages.
There is however a persistent belief in the marketplace that our products are more prone to failure than those of other manufacturers. This false perception is driven by a second important dynamic that isn’t really clear to many people. That is the sheer volume of product that we produce and sell; more than 5 million pieces annually! When you think about it, even 1% of that volume equates to 50,000 pieces; enough to ensure that our products are going to be found on a repair bench more often than others.
The reality is that our products are much better than this perception would lead one to believe. With 5 million products a year and the slim margins we work on, if our products were generally fault-prone we would have been out of business long ago. Instead we focus on failure prevention where the cost is far lower than trying to clean up a mess through after-sale service. Our dramatic growth underlines that customers are happy with what they are buying from us.
That said we are the first to admit that we are certainly not perfect and have made mistakes in the past. But we have improved greatly and continue to get better every day by making the necessary investments in the equipment and fantastic people who care and who take immense pride in what they do.
As a direct result, we have now reached a quality level that allows us to confidently offer a 3-Year Warranty Program since the beginning of this year.
I must admit however that our customer service left something to be desired in recent years.
As our business doubled year over year, we failed to take proper care of our customers and struggled to build the support infrastructure. We relied on external service centers and third party spare parts providers that clearly didn’t work and I apologize for that on behalf of the Company.
We’ve learned our lesson and have since made significant investments in our Customer Care Operation. We have recently purchased a state-of-the-art facility in Las Vegas that houses our US response team, repair depot and parts fulfillment. We also repurposed our Midas manufacturing facility in Kidderminster, UK to serve as our European Care Center. Overall, our Care Division now employs over 125 employees on four continents providing support in 7 languages and we’re investing more.
As part of that process we determined that our core strengths (and interest) lay in product design, engineering and manufacturing.
We also discovered that historically we were not particularly good at several areas of our business which included service, support and distribution and so we set about to make fundamental changes across the business.
These changes include a massive investment in after-sale service through our newly-formed CARE group.
In fact, we renamed Service to CARE because it underlines what we believe is the central theme of the department - to care for our customers. This investment has added some incredible people, the best tools available and new, fully-stocked repair and support facilities across the world.
While we haven't achieved the desired Customer Care level yet, it is our Company goal is to provide the very best customer experience in the industry."
http://www.behringer.com/news/music-gro ... perations/
Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
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Joe Sanborn
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Dear Barron55,
We are certainly aware of the existing concepts that try to emulate the characteristics of a tube either via analog components (FET’s) or DSP’s, however there is a fundamental difference in the way we have been addressing this challenge.
Our LifeTube is certainly a solid state version, however we have developed a proprietary process using high-voltage silicon so it has the exact gain, distortion and compression function of a real 12AX7. The advantage is not only that the silicon can be “designed” exactly the way a particular tube works, but this technology also has no latency found in DSP’s and most importantly the silicon operates at full 500 Volt plate voltage, so you don’t lose any of the tube-specific dynamics.
We fully understand that tube purists would likely not accept any virtual tube, however we have done double-blind tests with experienced musicians and they could not hear any difference. We were excited that they were willing to actually use these tubes in their amps.
Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
We are certainly aware of the existing concepts that try to emulate the characteristics of a tube either via analog components (FET’s) or DSP’s, however there is a fundamental difference in the way we have been addressing this challenge.
Our LifeTube is certainly a solid state version, however we have developed a proprietary process using high-voltage silicon so it has the exact gain, distortion and compression function of a real 12AX7. The advantage is not only that the silicon can be “designed” exactly the way a particular tube works, but this technology also has no latency found in DSP’s and most importantly the silicon operates at full 500 Volt plate voltage, so you don’t lose any of the tube-specific dynamics.
We fully understand that tube purists would likely not accept any virtual tube, however we have done double-blind tests with experienced musicians and they could not hear any difference. We were excited that they were willing to actually use these tubes in their amps.
Hope it helps.
Best regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
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Flux'D
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Joe Sanborn":x2u9sjcz said:
So, what you're saying is that you have successfully designed a Solid State component that creates round-corner waveform distortion and nonlinear clipping reminiscent of tubes? If so... you have created the single greatest breakthrough in amplifier design since the vacuum tube was first implemented, and done it in 3 years.
Be very careful on how you word marketing jargon, because you have set yourself up for INCREDIBLY HIGH expectations. I would love to see a scope on this LifeTube. I'm expecting a very similar product to what Soldano and Jet City have made in recent years, and what other companies have made in the past.
(like 311 said, I'm just another forum browser like anyone else. I mentioned Jet City and Soldano again because they have a very similar product available right now
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Joe Sanborn
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Dear Robbgnarly,
Thanks for your comments.
You write:
“I am one of the few people posting that actually owns a 333 that is posting here. The component values are no where near what they are soposed to be, and I have checked some values and they are over 30% off of what they should be. But you claim that the parts/components are top notch BS.”
Can you be more specific and tell us which components you believe are 30% off? Also please identify what you think the values are supposed to be and why.
You further state:
“I have a local music store that was a Bugera dealer, and of the 10-12 heads they ordered almost all failed in the store while being demoed. I have been playing music professionally since 2000 and I have never heard of an amp company having that many out of the box failures. Needless to say they droped Bugera like a hot potato.”
Would you please tell us the name of the dealer so we can check this out?
Then you say:
“And logical thinking points to cheap parts and lousy QC as the biggest culprit.”
Can you please be more specific and tell us which parts are “cheap” and why?
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
Thanks for your comments.
You write:
“I am one of the few people posting that actually owns a 333 that is posting here. The component values are no where near what they are soposed to be, and I have checked some values and they are over 30% off of what they should be. But you claim that the parts/components are top notch BS.”
Can you be more specific and tell us which components you believe are 30% off? Also please identify what you think the values are supposed to be and why.
You further state:
“I have a local music store that was a Bugera dealer, and of the 10-12 heads they ordered almost all failed in the store while being demoed. I have been playing music professionally since 2000 and I have never heard of an amp company having that many out of the box failures. Needless to say they droped Bugera like a hot potato.”
Would you please tell us the name of the dealer so we can check this out?
Then you say:
“And logical thinking points to cheap parts and lousy QC as the biggest culprit.”
Can you please be more specific and tell us which parts are “cheap” and why?
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
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Joe Sanborn
New member
Dear 311splawndude,
The defective connector you are showing here is exactly the part we discussed in an earlier post. This occurred in our initial batch approximately 5 years back and has long been resolved.
You ask the question:
“Then why does it take so long, as of this day, for people to get parts and answers?”
What parts do you need? We have large spare parts depots in Las Vegas and in Kidderminster UK and perhaps you can put us to the test here.
You commented:
“Is it safe to say that most of your buyers are young and inexperienced? Is it true that most of your amps are sold on-line and not in stores?”
Not at all. In fact, we have many seasoned musicians such as Anvil playing our amps. A good example of where our amps are sold, is at Guitar Center stores, displayed in prime floor space, right next to all the other big selling amps in the industry.
You further state:
“Poor tube quality seem to be one of the biggest culprits in your high gain amp failures. Tubes are actually not fragile by the way. If you test them so extremely well then why are your tubes causing so many problems? For what it is worth, I do not see Infinium working as you, and Bugera, claim. Also, removing the external test points and bias potentiometer in the new series was a mistake in my opinion. Can you explain to me what exact researh and dev went into this Infinium technology? What about Varipower? Is that part of your intellectual property rights as well? Yes, the TriRec sounds good in the online demos I've seen.”
Nowadays, tubes are only made in three locations; China (Shoguan), Russia (Sovtek) and Yugoslavia (JJ). All labeled tube brands come from one of these factories. What part of Infinium is not working as you claim? Why do you think tubes are not fragile?
Someone in another post said that BUGERA did not invent auto-biasing. This is absolutely correct and we never claimed we did. However, we have used a new approach to auto-biasing by employing a micro-controller that constantly monitors the amp, constantly adjusts the tubes but only once they have reached operating temperature, and in signal pauses as that’s when tubes should be biased. The controller also checks and adjusts many other parameters which differentiates our technology.
Our Varipower technology allows you to seamlessly regulate the plate voltage so you get the fully driven amp sound at much lower volume. Also, it allows for a compressed sound often referred to as a “brown sound.”
Last but not least:
“Hopefully, this will turn out differently than another experience of mine on another web site where a Music Group Manager from Seattle came on, said he would answer any questions, and then never came back. He also created multiple accounts on that web site, which is against forum rules.”
MUSIC Group employees do not post under multiple names and it is company policy to disclose our identity on any public forum. We only wish all companies did the same. I am not sure on which forum this occurred. If this is the case, you have my apology if your question was not answered. Hit me with a PM so I can can verify the forum and help out.
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
The defective connector you are showing here is exactly the part we discussed in an earlier post. This occurred in our initial batch approximately 5 years back and has long been resolved.
You ask the question:
“Then why does it take so long, as of this day, for people to get parts and answers?”
What parts do you need? We have large spare parts depots in Las Vegas and in Kidderminster UK and perhaps you can put us to the test here.
You commented:
“Is it safe to say that most of your buyers are young and inexperienced? Is it true that most of your amps are sold on-line and not in stores?”
Not at all. In fact, we have many seasoned musicians such as Anvil playing our amps. A good example of where our amps are sold, is at Guitar Center stores, displayed in prime floor space, right next to all the other big selling amps in the industry.
You further state:
“Poor tube quality seem to be one of the biggest culprits in your high gain amp failures. Tubes are actually not fragile by the way. If you test them so extremely well then why are your tubes causing so many problems? For what it is worth, I do not see Infinium working as you, and Bugera, claim. Also, removing the external test points and bias potentiometer in the new series was a mistake in my opinion. Can you explain to me what exact researh and dev went into this Infinium technology? What about Varipower? Is that part of your intellectual property rights as well? Yes, the TriRec sounds good in the online demos I've seen.”
Nowadays, tubes are only made in three locations; China (Shoguan), Russia (Sovtek) and Yugoslavia (JJ). All labeled tube brands come from one of these factories. What part of Infinium is not working as you claim? Why do you think tubes are not fragile?
Someone in another post said that BUGERA did not invent auto-biasing. This is absolutely correct and we never claimed we did. However, we have used a new approach to auto-biasing by employing a micro-controller that constantly monitors the amp, constantly adjusts the tubes but only once they have reached operating temperature, and in signal pauses as that’s when tubes should be biased. The controller also checks and adjusts many other parameters which differentiates our technology.
Our Varipower technology allows you to seamlessly regulate the plate voltage so you get the fully driven amp sound at much lower volume. Also, it allows for a compressed sound often referred to as a “brown sound.”
Last but not least:
“Hopefully, this will turn out differently than another experience of mine on another web site where a Music Group Manager from Seattle came on, said he would answer any questions, and then never came back. He also created multiple accounts on that web site, which is against forum rules.”
MUSIC Group employees do not post under multiple names and it is company policy to disclose our identity on any public forum. We only wish all companies did the same. I am not sure on which forum this occurred. If this is the case, you have my apology if your question was not answered. Hit me with a PM so I can can verify the forum and help out.
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BUGERA
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bpetersen
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If you like an amp and it sounds good to you, buy it and enjoy it regardless of what somebody else thinks of it. If you think the amp is junk, move on and buy something else.
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Arby911
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While I think it's commendable that a few Bugera reps. have come here to discuss their products, it seems to me it's their job to show the error (if any) in the public perception. Tis a strange company indeed that defends their product by telling customers to 'prove it'....
Ante up boys, show us why the perception is wrong. Not marketing hype please just facts and schematics.
Ante up boys, show us why the perception is wrong. Not marketing hype please just facts and schematics.
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borninwinter
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Arby911":1dszogt1 said:
If you make claims or accusations, you should be prepared to back them up.
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Arby911
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borninwinter":l44stnuu said:
I'm guessing you didn't major in sales or marketing?
I understand your point but it's inapplicable in corporate to consumer relationships.
VC4Ever
New member
Dear Joe:
We get it..Bugera's are awesome
We get it..Bugera's are awesome
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borninwinter
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Arby911":8axkjakx said:
It's applicable to anything. The things that were asked to be proved were specific claims made by someone without any backup other than I say so/my friend said so. You can't just pop of with whatever half baked thing pops in your head and then demand that it's someone else's responsibility to "show why it's wrong."
Not sure what I majored in has anything to do with it. I like to think I did a little better than sales/marketing, but I'm sure many might argue with that...
311boogieman
Well-known member
Yep. I've read that before. Doesn't mean too much to me.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
Well, I find your statement a bit misleading. The 'initial batch' was a rather large batch (I'm guessing more than half the units sold) and the problem was not fixed 5 years ago. That would be 2008. That is the way your sentence reads. You may see it as being long resolved, but many in the industry do not - including consumers. There were many 333x's sold as new long after it was 'resolved'.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
I do not personally need parts. I'm not an authorized Bugera reseller or repair center. I'm not a reseller or repair center for anything. I may forward people in extreme need in your direction though if that is OK. Maybe you can make a difference.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
I didn't say you didn't have any seasoned musicians playing your amps, I said it was my opinion that most of your customers are young, inexperienced musicians with lower budgets. Either I'm crazy or you don't understand your target market.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
Thanks. Yes, I know where the tubes are made. I gave some examples earlier of Infinium based amps not working. I can't tell you specifically which part of those amps failed. Vacuum tubes are pretty hearty dude, that is why they are used in so many applications beyond amplification. Maybe I should ask you why they are fragile. Again, I'm just a consumer on the internet. I don't make and sell anything. I shouldn't have to prove a darn thing.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
Yeah, I don't bias my amp with a signal passing through it either. Not sure if the rest of it is Bugera IP but oh well.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
You just said Music Group employees do not post under multiple names. I just told you earlier that he did. I will PM you the name and the forum.Joe Sanborn":2jr7wj01 said:
Edit: PM Sent.
Last but not least. I don't remember what month this was and Thomann doesn't post failure rates anymore IIRC but here is a sample from not too long ago. 2.14% is higher than 1.0%
Peavey: 1.47% failure rate
Burgera: 2.14% failure rate
Marshall: .62% failure rate
Fender: .33% failure rate
I realize that in the grand scheme of things that is probably not a big deal.
That is not the point of all of this though.
The point is that 1.) You have to be very careful of what you say on the internet and 2.) there are a lot of younger, inexperienced people out there that got lured into the Bugera marketing and were burned.
rlord1974
Active member
bhuard75
Techdeath’s Resident Asshole Student
rlord1974":1xhc831h said:
You couldnt find two white guys fighting? Why does it always have to be white and black with you?