mchn13":2wzcb7za said:
borninwinter":2wzcb7za said:
Every successful product ever produced leads to inexpensive knockoffs. And it says "Bugera" on the front, not Mesa. And it costs a grand less. I don't think anyone is fooled into thinking its a real Mesa. And if you know here is the original, here is the knockoff you have every right to make the choice, esp if you're a working musician without that extra grand to throw around. If there was some sort of legal problem, you can be sure that Mesa would come after them. But, really, Bugera poses no threat to Mesa's continued success. And whether you buy one or the other just isn't going to affect the economy.
Bullshit. Its not only our economy, but we also keep pouring money into a nation that supports...nvrmnd. Imo its about craftmanship. And something that will stand the test of time and still be worth something ten years down the road. Not this throw away garbage that keeps getting sold to us over and over. Go on about the poor guitarist that cant affford shit. Ive personally had at least two rectos that ive bought used for that price.
I'm happy for people to buy whatever amp makes them happy for whatever reason. But the US Gov't borrows literally millions of dollars every hour of every day from China. Given that, the entire amp industry is irrelevant in the big picture. I don't think that borrowing all that money is a good thing, but the issue is way bigger than buying American. Regardless, the fact is that every amp company based wherever uses at least some parts from China out of necessity. One example, try buying some new, high end US tubes. I'm not sure supporting Russia with all my tube purchases would be my choice in abstract, but I don't really have much choice in that. Just the way things are.
To your other point, craftmanship has it's value, and I choose to own higher end amps myself. But "value" can also be had in producing something that does the same job for less money. That is the free market. I really don't get this idea that it's ok to base a product on other people's designs if you make it high end, but it's unthinkable to do it to make a low end version. Like I said before, I really don't think Bugera is going after Mesa's market, but if they are so what? Say hypothetically that Bugera is as road worthy as a Mesa. If they can make essentially the same amp and stay in business selling it for a grand less, than why does Mesa always and forever have a right to charge $1800 for a certain sound. Their design did not pop out of thin air either...
As someone else said, I think the used market it another subject, since they companies making the amp are out of the picture at that point.
. Or move out of this country. Pretty simple. In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy all that America has to offer, including the spoils of cheap electronics that aren't made here.
