CAE PT-100 Vs. Bogner 20th XTC

[Oz Hofstatter]

Oz, I really hope the new PT100 won't have that Marshall like look! Tone matters first but I really like the look of the SLO or the XTC 100b, there are so many amp companies that have that look, I hope Suhr will be original with there new design.

Same here. I like originality.
Let's hope to have a version 2 even better than 1. Maybe a separate EQ for all channels.....
Best,
Oz

 

[Suhr]

I love my PT100. I have been a Suhr fanboy for 4 years.

I like the ham on that avatar!

 

[glip22]

I love my PT100. I have been a Suhr fanboy for 4 years.

I like the ham on that avatar!

I thought you didn't eat pork. That's what Steve Smith said. How come Steve doesn't get any credit around here?

 

[richedie]

I am surprised I am hearing the 20th XTC does not cut.
I use an EL34 20th Shiva and I find it sits on the mix fine, cuts great!
I was talking to Stu from Fat Sound Guitars and he mentioned he used to be a big XTC user but struggled with cut. He said with most amps he could either get cut and an unforgiving nature or no cut and a very forgiving amp.
He agreed with me in that Bogner fixed that with the new Shiva, and I use EL34s in mind!
It actually reminds me a lot if a Marshall. Cut us great!

I find that the new 20th Shiva IS a pro gigging/studio player's amp!!!!!! Not sure what happened to the XTC.

I also use another popular low mid amp, a Mesa Dual Rec. I have never had a problem with any of the ones I heard live. However thus new Recto us way more Marshally, even with 6L6 tubes, much brighter and great cut. I think both amps are much improved over old designs.

I also often hear people say V30s are better than other speakers for live play. I agree they are good for that but I have also had no issue with Mist other Celestions assuming I tweak the amp correctly.

 

[bwgintegra]

I had a od100se+ modded to PT100 specs, I owned it and loved up until last month. I really wanted to try the Bogner 20th XTC. I traded the pt100 for a 20th xtc, I have to say miss the pt100 already and will be putting the 20th xtc up for sale. I don't regret doing the trade as I had to try both and couldn't afford both. I will wait for the release of the new PT100 and will be one of the first to put my order in. I am very excited about the new PT100 and was going to depart with my original one anyways to fund for the new one. Just have to wait now and hope it's not to far out.

The PT100 is the ultimate amp for me, just like Pete said "It's a pro gigging/studio player's amp, meant to be rocked"

 

[richedie]

I had a od100se+ modded to PT100 specs, I owned it and loved up until last month. I really wanted to try the Bogner 20th XTC. I traded the pt100 for a 20th xtc, I have to say miss the pt100 already and will be putting the 20th xtc up for sale. I don't regret doing the trade as I had to try both and couldn't afford both. I will wait for the release of the new PT100 and will be one of the first to put my order in. I am very excited about the new PT100 and was going to depart with my original one anyways to fund for the new one. Just have to wait now and hope it's not to far out.

The PT100 is the ultimate amp for me, just like Pete said "It's a pro gigging/studio player's amp, meant to be rocked"

How does the Bogner you have compare to your Diezel and Splawn? I ask because I have the new 20th EL34 Bogner Shiva and I find it fairly Marshally but with more low mids. I actually find it sorta bright and it cuts great. Maybe the XTC is darker? Interesting, because my Shiva is a killer live amp and I am seeing more pros use the 20th Shiva.

I also ask about the Splawn because I am looking at a Splawn or Baron as my next amp.

 

[bwgintegra]

I had a od100se+ modded to PT100 specs, I owned it and loved up until last month. I really wanted to try the Bogner 20th XTC. I traded the pt100 for a 20th xtc, I have to say miss the pt100 already and will be putting the 20th xtc up for sale. I don't regret doing the trade as I had to try both and couldn't afford both. I will wait for the release of the new PT100 and will be one of the first to put my order in. I am very excited about the new PT100 and was going to depart with my original one anyways to fund for the new one. Just have to wait now and hope it's not to far out.

The PT100 is the ultimate amp for me, just like Pete said "It's a pro gigging/studio player's amp, meant to be rocked"

How does the Bogner you have compare to your Diezel and Splawn? I ask because I have the new 20th EL34 Bogner Shiva and I find it fairly Marshally but with more low mids. I actually find it sorta bright and it cuts great. Maybe the XTC is darker? Interesting, because my Shiva is a killer live amp and I am seeing more pros use the 20th Shiva.

I also ask about the Splawn because I am looking at a Splawn or Baron as my next amp.

The 20th XTC cuts nice, the 101B is the darker XTC. The thing that disappoints me the most with the 20th xtc is the blue channel. The blue channel is lacking, if I could have the 20th xtc with the blue channel from the 101B it would be a winner. I have never played the 20th shiva so can't really compare. The 20th xtc is a great amp but just not the one for me.

Bogners and diezels have tones of their own that can't really be duplicated by others.
The Splawn is a great modded Marshall tone, aggressive, nice punch, and great mids.
I have owned 2 quickrods, 2 nitros, and have the streetrod now. I prefer the streetrod/quickrod tones over the nitro. It's got nice upper mids but not overwhelming.

 

[richedie]

Thanks bwgintegra,

I love my 20th Shiva and I kow Bogner worked hard to get this amp to retain some of the woody mids and squish of the old Bog's but with better cut. I thikn with the SHiva, they nailed it. I also have a new Mesa DR that I think is sorta Marshally and cuts! I really want a nice Marshall killer now and was looking at the Baron B series heads and the Quickrod or Streetrod.

Does the Streetrod sound as fat as a Quickrod? I tend to find 100 watt amps to sound fatter and fuller.
I fear the massive volume of Splawns too.

 

[richedie]

bwgintegra,

Do you notice the Streetrod being any less fat sounding to the Quickrod since it is 50 watts?

I would like to compare a Splawn to a Baron amp which seem amazing!

 

[bwgintegra]

bwgintegra,

Do you notice the Streetrod being any less fat sounding to the Quickrod since it is 50 watts?

I would like to compare a Splawn to a Baron amp which seem amazing!

I owned a Baron K2, didn't care for it. It lacked bottom end and punch. Had lots of gain but just didn't do it for me. I have the streetrod combo, last week I disconnected the combo speaker and hooked it up to my bogner 4x12 and really liked it. I thought it sounded great and just as fat sounding as the 100w quickrod. The clean channel breaks up early with it only being 40 watts. I have my streetrod in the classifieds for sale if you are interested

 

[richedie]

bwgintegra,

Do you notice the Streetrod being any less fat sounding to the Quickrod since it is 50 watts?

I would like to compare a Splawn to a Baron amp which seem amazing!

I owned a Baron K2, didn't care for it. It lacked bottom end and punch. Had lots of gain but just didn't do it for me. I have the streetrod combo, last week I disconnected the combo speaker and hooked it up to my bogner 4x12 and really liked it. I thought it sounded great and just as fat sounding as the 100w quickrod. The clean channel breaks up early with it only being 40 watts. I have my streetrod in the classifieds for sale if you are interested

Why are you selling? The clean breaking up worries me. If I am playing clean loud with a loud rock band...I might need pristine clean at high volumes. However, a little break up can add cut.

 

[bwgintegra]

bwgintegra,

Do you notice the Streetrod being any less fat sounding to the Quickrod since it is 50 watts?

I would like to compare a Splawn to a Baron amp which seem amazing!

I owned a Baron K2, didn't care for it. It lacked bottom end and punch. Had lots of gain but just didn't do it for me. I have the streetrod combo, last week I disconnected the combo speaker and hooked it up to my bogner 4x12 and really liked it. I thought it sounded great and just as fat sounding as the 100w quickrod. The clean channel breaks up early with it only being 40 watts. I have my streetrod in the classifieds for sale if you are interested

Why are you selling? The clean breaking up worries me. If I am playing clean loud with a loud rock band...I might need pristine clean at high volumes. However, a little break up can add cut.

Just to let you know the newer splawns like the one I have have a loop master. You can have the loop enabled, crank the channel volume and use the loop volume as a master, works great. I noticed with my older quickrod that it started sounding great at about 10 o'clock on the master. Now with the steetrod I can turn the channel volume to 10 o'clock and run the loop master at about noon and not blow the doors off. The clean is good for a channel switcher, single coils stays clean, humbucker good for single note chord work. If you start strumming hard you get some slight breakup but not to bad. Just roll the volume back on the guitar slightly.

 

[richedie]

Thanks man! And does the Street Rod sounds as god as the QR? I played the SR last year but had nothing to compare it to and all the clips I am hearing of the QR are amazing Marshall tones. I need to go play those two side by side. I want the tones I am hearing from the Quick Rod...but in the smaller SR package.

 

[bwgintegra]

Thanks man! And does the Street Rod sounds as god as the QR? I played the SR last year but had nothing to compare it to and all the clips I am hearing of the QR are amazing Marshall tones. I need to go play those two side by side. I want the tones I am hearing from the Quick Rod...but in the smaller SR package.

I always ran my quickrod with a splawn 4x12 cab. The other day I unhooked the combo speaker and plugged the streetrod into my bogner 4x12. Was defiantly getting the quickrod tone. Went back to the combo and defiantly changes a lot, keeps the splawn tone but with the 1x12 combo speaker and partially open back it changes. Don't get me wrong still sounds great. when you have a 1x12 semi open and closed 4x12 it makes a big difference.

 

[richedie]

Thanks, I am really looking into the SR!
I would use it with an oversized 212 or a Port City.

Have you tries other high end Marshall type amps?
Been considering the Cornford MkII, Elmwood Midena and PWE Event Hirizon as well.

For cost and pure Marshall tone it seems the SR may be best.

 

[richedie]

That is a shame the 20th XTC is not that good. Strange though because clips and from reading reviews, it is supposed to be amazing. I will say the 20th Ann. Shiva is GREAT though!

 

[johnsonkid]

nice picture ..that is so funny ..laugh ....

 

[Encapsulation]

That is a shame the 20th XTC is not that good. Strange though because clips and from reading reviews, it is supposed to be amazing. I will say the 20th Ann. Shiva is GREAT though!

Don't trust random people posting on an internet forum, go play it for yourself.

 

[dealmaker]

Just found this post.

I have an 20th XTC amongst a bunch of other boutique amps - and its one of my favourites, possibly even my all time favourite amp. It can do ANYTHING.

I have owned an OD100 , and two PT100's , the first edition signature version and the later production model. I persevered with them, but unfortunately they weren't to my taste. The last one got part-exed for a Butterslax.....

My 20th XTC will stay with me forever.....