Can you get close to Sykes Whitesnake 1987 album tone with..

[Racerxrated]

All the Mark series amps share a similar vibe. You should be able to get close using any Mark series amp really as long as you're up to the playing. I do think that using an EVM 12L speaker would help.

Funny thing, when I saw Blue Murder live Sykes was using Recto's and he sounded pretty awesome anyway. Boosted Rectos with an 808 or TS9 are pretty killer though.

What year was that Blue Murder show with the rectos ? I’ve seen some clips of tunes from around ‘95 and he sounds amazing !!! He actually used a Racktifier, no ?

There's a video out there of Blue Murder live on a talk show, playing "Billy" and you can see a giant rack with a Racto. Must be around the time of the first album....

 

[squank]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Sykes used a Mesa Mark series Coliseum head for the 87 Whitesnake album and the Blue Murder album, not a Marshall.

 

[thiswaythatway]

All the Mark series amps share a similar vibe. You should be able to get close using any Mark series amp really as long as you're up to the playing. I do think that using an EVM 12L speaker would help.

Funny thing, when I saw Blue Murder live Sykes was using Recto's and he sounded pretty awesome anyway. Boosted Rectos with an 808 or TS9 are pretty killer though.

What year was that Blue Murder show with the rectos ? I’ve seen some clips of tunes from around ‘95 and he sounds amazing !!! He actually used a Racktifier, no ?

It was sometime in the mid/early 90's and yes it was a Racktifier.

 

[Racerxrated]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Huh??

Sykes 87 tone was all Mesa Mark III Coli, and maybe 2C+...his lead tone on "Is this Love?" was his Jose Marshall but the rest of the album was NOT modded Marshall...Mesa all day.
As far as the other bands, not sure but the tone the OP is after is Mesa.

 

[paulyc]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Sorry Squank, 87 and Blue Murder are both Mesa Coli. I’d say the stuff from Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang is all Marshall. Slide it In is probably all Marshall.

 

[paulyc]

You tell me...

As a JP2C owner... imho yes you can.

If you don;t mind me asking, what were the amp and EQ settings? (If you recall...)

If you go to the original YouTube video and look through the comments he gives some of the settings...shred mode on, gain at noon-1 o'clock, presence at 11, GEQ "classic" V shape. Recorded through a Suhr reactive load with an Ownhammer IR.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

You tell me...

As a JP2C owner... imho yes you can.

If you don;t mind me asking, what were the amp and EQ settings? (If you recall...)

See the YouTube comments. Not me or my video. Just saw it randomly.

The shred mode definitely is key as it is somewhat similar to the ++ mod on a MK2C or MK3. Tightens everything thing up a bit, adds some gain and adds a healthy dose of upper mid aggression.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Bogners in general and specifically the Shiva, always sounds too dark, distant, mellow, spongy, and backed off. Not mean, aggressive, upfront and cutting enough. Not enough or the right upper mid and highend voicing either imhe.

 

[squank]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Sorry Squank, 87 and Blue Murder are both Mesa Coli. I’d say the stuff from Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang is all Marshall. Slide it In is probably all Marshall.

I'll take your guys word for it. I thought Sykes was still rocking Marshalls on 1987.

What I can say for sure is that I got closer to his 87 tone with my cranked up Friedman modded JCM800 than I ever could with any Boogie. In full disclosure, I used the more compressed, modern Boogies. As well as our brother Wizard of Ozz played on the posted clip, I don't think it quite nails the 1987 tone. And I don't mean any disrespect. The playing is great, and the tone is very cool. It's just more compressed than the 87 record, imo.

 

[paulyc]

That’s not Oz in the clip...

 

[Mr. Willy]

Only tune on 1987 with a Marshall was Is This Love. Pretty sure it was only on the solo. Jose Marshall through G12-65s. The rest was Mesa MKIII Coliseum through EVs. I bet a good old Boogie MKIII would get closer than the new 2C+ would. Other than the amps, a big part of the Sykes tone is playing with tons of attitude and a pair of massive balls.

 

[squank]

That’s not Oz in the clip...

Bummer. Great playing

 

[paulyc]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Sorry Squank, 87 and Blue Murder are both Mesa Coli. I’d say the stuff from Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang is all Marshall. Slide it In is probably all Marshall.

I'll take your guys word for it. I thought Sykes was still rocking Marshalls on 1987.

What I can say for sure is that I got closer to his 87 tone with my cranked up Friedman modded JCM800 than I ever could with any Boogie. In full disclosure, I used the more compressed, modern Boogies. As well as our brother Wizard of Ozz played on the posted clip, I don't think it quite nails the 1987 tone. And I don't mean any disrespect. The playing is great, and the tone is very cool. It's just more compressed than the 87 record, imo.

Some of the tone difference would be the hands, and I'd bet quite a bit of difference is the recording method...Sykes had a whole state of the art studio (with it's mics, mic pres, compressors, studio monitors, a properly designed and treated room, real guitar cabs/speakers, a real pro engineer and Keith Olsen producing), and a pro mastering job... the dude in the clip has his guitar, amp, a Suhr reactive load and some IRs, and his computer... which one would sound better ?

 

[Exo-metal]

When I get my Mk2C++ Coliseum back from Mike it will smoke Sykes tone and for the record my old creambacks sound just fine with it.

 

[Racerxrated]

Between a JP2C, Bogner Shiva or an EVH 5153 Stealth, which one would you choose for Whitesnake and other heavy metal tones (Megadeth, Sabbath, etc)?

Shiva, and it isn't close Well, it's kind of close, but the Shiva is the clear winner.

Sorry to be the contrarian, but as good as the JP2C sounds, it's not a modded Marshall circuit. I will give that Mesa a lot of credit because it can get a lot of great dirt tones with its powerful EQs. When I played it, I was very impressed. I only chose the Mark V over it because of the great cleans it had, but the JP2C is the superior gain machine between the two.

Having said that, Sykes' great tone was from the Marshall circuit with good old power tube distortion. The Mesa emulates that pretty well, but having owned two Shivas, I can attest that the Bogner will get you all the way there.

Sorry Squank, 87 and Blue Murder are both Mesa Coli. I’d say the stuff from Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang is all Marshall. Slide it In is probably all Marshall.

I'll take your guys word for it. I thought Sykes was still rocking Marshalls on 1987.

What I can say for sure is that I got closer to his 87 tone with my cranked up Friedman modded JCM800 than I ever could with any Boogie. In full disclosure, I used the more compressed, modern Boogies. As well as our brother Wizard of Ozz played on the posted clip, I don't think it quite nails the 1987 tone. And I don't mean any disrespect. The playing is great, and the tone is very cool. It's just more compressed than the 87 record, imo.

Some of the tone difference would be the hands, and I'd bet quite a bit of difference is the recording method...Sykes had a whole state of the art studio (with it's mics, mic pres, compressors, studio monitors, a properly designed and treated room, real guitar cabs/speakers, a real pro engineer and Keith Olsen producing), and a pro mastering job... the dude in the clip has his guitar, amp, a Suhr reactive load and some IRs, and his computer... which one would sound better ?

Honestly, I don't get the difficulty to get this tone, as long as you have a Mark 2-4 Boogie and the right speakers....I got it with either of the 2 Mk IIIs I had and either of the 2 C+s I've owned. Got very close through 65s, and V30s, and the EV halfback I had...If you listen to the remastered tunes on the anniversary disc you can hear the guitar tracks more clearly, like a tiny blanket off the original disc..more high end. Boogie lead channel with a V in the GEQ, maybe the 750 is up a little but that's it.

 

[Mr. Willy]

When I get my Mk2C++ Coliseum back from Mike it will smoke Sykes tone

That’s a bold statement.

 

[Exo-metal]

It is but really it's like stated above if u have some epic gear after that does it really take that much? My Mark IIC++ Coliseum is a great place to start...

 

[Frank_Pearl]

You tell me...

As a JP2C owner... imho yes you can.

Hi all
i'm the gplayer in that video

if you want to know more, just ask

 

[paulyc]

Welcome Frank ! Great video !