Considering switching to Super Reverb and sea of pedals...

[university81]

it's what i run, all pedals into a clean amp, awesome for flexibility and wacky sounds, and pretty consistent tone

As someone noted however dirt can be a bit more problematic, i found the perfect match in a ht dual into an old hiwatt, which is great for gainier stuff but cleans and low gains do sound better through a ceriatone dumble clone i have

The power section+tone stack of the amp will play a part, and the best thing is to grab the amp and test pedals in a shop, save a lot of money that way

Plexis with pedals sound great too imo

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Best tone I remember as a kid. This guy had a super Reverb 4x10, strat and a 808....holy shit!

 

[petejt]

Keep looking at different amps and getting tired of the modded marshall thing, mainly the DSL50 + SD1 just isn't doing it for me lately. Thinking about going to back to where I started, good clean amp and nice selection of pedals. Adam's SD18 combo has been haunting my dreams for a while now, and I have always had mad lust for a Super Reverb...

Thoughts?

Well, I've got a 50 watt 1981-82 Marshall JCM 800 2204. Most guys here mod it for high gain. I don't.
I keep it on the Low-Z input and the gain quite low, so low that the tone is clean. I then run all my effects pedals into it. I love it.
I run my MarkIV alongside it but that mostly stays 'dry'.

The only thing is that it won't get gainy enough to keep up with my Mesa/Boogie MarkIV's lead channel. So I just slam a dirt pedal (it has a triode-like op-amp in it) into the front end of the Marshall and voila! Massive stereo high gain sound!

You don't necessarily have to go for a Fender Twin Super Reverb or those sorts of amps, to do the 'clean amp with pedals' thing.
Lots of folks on TGP do that, then they are buying several boutique pedals non-stop, because they can't get the fatness of using a bigger amp with a 4x12 cab.


Some of my most favourite clean tones of all time comes from a bunch of pedals in front of two Marshall JMP Plexi half-stacks!


yup- Andy Summers!

 

[Badronald]

Some guys can get away with a Super but for me the 10" speakers never cut it. Much more depth with the 12's. When I can I run a pedalboard into a Deluxe Reverb Reissue or my JTM45. Sounds KILLER. Fulltone Fulldrive II Mosfet with both gains maxed out on the Vintage mode. For leads I leave the Fulldrive on and hit a Keeley Baked TS-9 and it goes into that liquid glassy lead infinite sustain tone. GREAT tones. Kick it off and I've got better cleans than any high gain amp mentioned on this forum. Some reverb and delay and it's perfect.

Does it work for HEAVY music? Not really. Works great for anything but. Great rock tone and stunning lead tones.

When I want the heavy, I plug into my Triple Rec.

 

[mentoneman]

fender cleans rule. the super is srv in a box when you crank it up. so you've got those tones at your service.

i'm running this currently:

12 watt super champ xd set clean, with pedals out front switched with the rivera rm-1 (it's a glab 4 loop switcher)

i had the plexitone vertex mod as my crunch/lead for a while, killer total marshall sounds, but as one band i play in has a 2nd e gtr using a mesa mark IV and the other band 2nd has a killer gibson falcon with rockier sounding pedals, i found the ethos pedal carves a unique slot in the band mix for me. smoother fatter lead tones work well for me.
here's the clean and lead sounds i can switch between on the fly:
http://soundcloud.com/mentoneman/lambda-test-w-d

i've been using the arc furnace OD for rhythm. it has a ac30/tube screamer vibe on chords, and SRV on leads.

i use a hotplate with the xd for total volume control, and take the line out to the gforce and add delay/verb/chorus post amp for my wet tech 21 cab. any misconception of a 12 watt amp sounding too small or boxy goes away with the wet cab, for me. but the dry tone gets fuller when i add my tone tubbies 2x12 to the xd

 

[Digital Jams]

Get ready for face punching.......................

Tele with 14s on it

 

[Gainzilla]

Thats one way to do it Randy and the benefits of the Fender cleans are a huge pro.

Pat has always touted the Marshally tones that he gets from his Plexi Tone and add to that what he brings to the mix with the Ethos Preamp for his love of dumble tone and the like and it makes a pretty compelling case for going that route...

 

[tweed]

Get ready for face punching.......................

Tele with 14s on it

 

[tweed]

Thats one way to do it Randy and the benefits of the Fender cleans are a huge pro.

Pat has always touted the Marshally tones that he gets from his Plexi Tone and add to that what he brings to the mix with the Ethos Preamp for his love of dumble tone and the like and it makes a pretty compelling case for going that route...

Pat's tones always have me drooling Kage, serious freaking mojo there.

I think another key part of me getting the tone that's in my head is going back to a strat style guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love my tele's/V's/LP's, but I grew up on strats and I think it's time for a return.

 

[Gainzilla]

Thats one way to do it Randy and the benefits of the Fender cleans are a huge pro.

Pat has always touted the Marshally tones that he gets from his Plexi Tone and add to that what he brings to the mix with the Ethos Preamp for his love of dumble tone and the like and it makes a pretty compelling case for going that route...

Pat's tones always have me drooling Kage, serious freaking mojo there.

I think another key part of me getting the tone that's in my head is going back to a strat style guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love my tele's/V's/LP's, but I grew up on strats and I think it's time for a return.

Its a friggin merry go round bro. for years, my favorite tones have predominantly been strat/marshall players yet Ive used everything but that. Im using that now for the most part( The Floyd Paul gets used but not as much as singles) and I couldnt be happier. the only thing that Im missing is the real stellar Fender Chime. The JVM cleans are great but not in the same league . The cool thing with the rig that you are proposing is that with the addition of something like one of these Plexi type pedals, you can have your cake and eat it too . I dont see it being as easy when using a MArshall as a starting point.

The one part of Pats rig that I refuse to do is go through the whole W/D setup. I crave simplicity...

 

[tweed]

i had the plexitone vertex mod as my crunch/lead for a while, killer total marshall sounds, but as one band i play in has a 2nd e gtr using a mesa mark IV and the other band 2nd has a killer gibson falcon with rockier sounding pedals, i found the ethos pedal carves a unique slot in the band mix for me. smoother fatter lead tones work well for me.
here's the clean and lead sounds i can switch between on the fly:
http://soundcloud.com/mentoneman/lambda-test-w-d

Man you hit part of the equation on the head Pat. In my current setup, we both use Marshall heads, and I feel like we are both fighting in the same tonal space if that makes sense. Maybe I'll I can go hunting in pawn shops soon and score some Silver Face Fendery goodness, then break out the iron and change it to black face specs...

 

[tweed]

Thats one way to do it Randy and the benefits of the Fender cleans are a huge pro.

Pat has always touted the Marshally tones that he gets from his Plexi Tone and add to that what he brings to the mix with the Ethos Preamp for his love of dumble tone and the like and it makes a pretty compelling case for going that route...

Pat's tones always have me drooling Kage, serious freaking mojo there.

I think another key part of me getting the tone that's in my head is going back to a strat style guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love my tele's/V's/LP's, but I grew up on strats and I think it's time for a return.

Its a friggin merry go round bro. for years, my favorite tones have predominantly been strat/marshall players yet Ive used everything but that. Im using that now for the most part( The Floyd Paul gets used but not as much as singles) and I couldnt be happier. the only thing that Im missing is the real stellar Fender Chime. The JVM cleans are great but not in the same league . The cool thing with the rig that you are proposing is that with the addition of something like one of these Plexi type pedals, you can have your cake and eat it too . I dont see it being as easy when using a MArshall as a starting point.

The one part of Pats rig that I refuse to do is go through the whole W/D setup. I crave simplicity...

I hear ya bro, that's a lot of stuff to haul around for a gig. Part of me wants to give it a shot though

 

[Gainzilla]

Thats one way to do it Randy and the benefits of the Fender cleans are a huge pro.

Pat has always touted the Marshally tones that he gets from his Plexi Tone and add to that what he brings to the mix with the Ethos Preamp for his love of dumble tone and the like and it makes a pretty compelling case for going that route...

Pat's tones always have me drooling Kage, serious freaking mojo there.

I think another key part of me getting the tone that's in my head is going back to a strat style guitar. Don't get me wrong, I love my tele's/V's/LP's, but I grew up on strats and I think it's time for a return.

Its a friggin merry go round bro. for years, my favorite tones have predominantly been strat/marshall players yet Ive used everything but that. Im using that now for the most part( The Floyd Paul gets used but not as much as singles) and I couldnt be happier. the only thing that Im missing is the real stellar Fender Chime. The JVM cleans are great but not in the same league . The cool thing with the rig that you are proposing is that with the addition of something like one of these Plexi type pedals, you can have your cake and eat it too . I dont see it being as easy when using a MArshall as a starting point.

The one part of Pats rig that I refuse to do is go through the whole W/D setup. I crave simplicity...

I hear ya bro, that's a lot of stuff to haul around for a gig. Part of me wants to give it a shot though

I think that you can do what you want to do with the Twin and pedals without going W/D, you just have to be judicious in your choice of pedals

 

[kasperjensen]

Fender HRD. What a fantastic combo that is.

Really.

 

[Badronald]

Adding to my earlier post, I do get tired of seeing guys soley with these kind of setups. Particularly in churches. That too smooth, boutique overdrive pedal tone gets tiring to me. It does sound good and kind of has a final production type sheen to it when blended with boutique delay and chorus pedals. But..........I crave real amp gain as well. It's rawer and typically has more bite and balls. You can "feel" it.

Just a general comment.

 

[PaulyPanacea]

I used to run my Super Reverb with 2 Tube Screamers and a Delay. Worked perfectly for any rock tone. Cut like a MF!! No cookie monster gain.. but good rock grit.

I may even go back to it for some smaller venue stuff. Never know...never satisfied!!

 

[stephen sawall]

This thread is giving me GAS for a Blackface Bassman...
A Blackface and a Plexi will do just about all I would ever want to do. The Twin and Marshall half stack rig I had in '86 sounds as good or better than any rig I have used.

 

[mentoneman]

per badronald
ive only been on this fender rig for 2 weeks
the last few months have been peacemaker 100 watt half stack and w/d/w, mono, w/d you name it, with the plexitone pedal for way rocked out sound

this fender rig is tiny for me and is as small and simple as i can imagine except for axefx DI or floor pod

and SS is so true; plexi/bassman would handle any business

 

[gibson08]

I say go for it!! IMO I have never heard a Fender that didn't handle pedals great, I have always said that with a Fender your pedals actually sound the way they are supposed to sound! Cant beat that Fendery clean and reverb, if you are not happy with your gain sound, its easier to try a diff pedal than a diff amp. I am def into the clean amp and pedals,,for now.

 

[mentoneman]

or you can just get a mark V