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Racerxrated
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No I'm not. But I'm smart enough to be able to look at the study, and measure the percentage chance of anyone actually having this issue.
Or maybe YOU can't figure that out for yourself?
Dr. Drew on the new study shows 50% of young men who got myocarditis after the vaccine now have permanent heart damage
Or maybe YOU can't figure that out for yourself?
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Racerxrated
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I don't work in a hospital. Regarding that other figure, look it up. You have google, I assume.
Regardless, this study didn't talk about deaths related to anything. Just the adverse side effect of Myocarditis, with the age group 12-39.
No death talk, at all.
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VonBonfire
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Quit giving medical advice. You're not a doctor. You're not an infectious disease expert. You're not an expert on vaccine side effects. How much is Pfizer paying you to post here?
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Krull
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I'm trying to get a Pfizer perspective
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harddriver
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Bottom line is considering all the side effects shown in peer reviewed studies now three years in this injection has been shown not to be SAFE and EFFECTIVE and this marketing campaign was a lie, through and through. The facts are that in 30 plus years of keeping records on all vaccine injuries of all vaccines combined have not caused the amounts of injuries and damages as the covid vaccines....NONE! And this is all government CDC NIH/VAERS data no matter how anyone wants to try to dismiss what the data reveals.
Here are the current VAERS numbers. Everything listed here was on the FDA known side effects list noted in the FDA meeting October 22, 2020.
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
1,596,983 Reports Through September 29, 2023
Deaths - 36, 324Hospitalizations - 210,347
Urgent Care - 152,470
Doctors Office visits -239,030
Anaphylaxis - 10,572
Bells Palsy - 17,285
Miscarriages
5,042
Heart Attacks
20,872
Myocarditis/
Pericarditis
27,564
Permanently Disabled
67,983
Thrombocytopenia/
Low Platelet
8,911
Life Threatening
38,521
Severe Allergic Reaction
46,164
Shingles
15,859
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harddriver
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I'm glad everything resolved for you Racer. I would imagine if you had been one of the unlucky ones with severe myocarditis looking at permanent heart damage your defense on this vaccine might be different. I personally know someone early 40's perfectly healthy who had a stroke after her first injection and the doctors concluded it was caused by the injection, but you can see that by the VAERS data.
The point is myocarditis does not always resolve is typically not temporary as many would like you to believe and permanent heart damage is not trivial.
The 5 year prognosis for people with myocarditis is not good with 50-70% needing a heart transplant within 5 years and we should not be subjecting healthy boys and young men with now peer reviewed data proven known risk when the disease does not warrant it in their age groups.
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Dan Gleesak
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But is any of this proven to be caused by the vaccine? Or is It just happening to people that are vaccinated? You might not see a difference, but there is certainly a big one
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VonBonfire
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"Cigarettes don't cause cancer"
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Racerxrated
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Dude, my experience was due to Covid, NOT the vaccine..so let's get that fact straight first. I got the vaccine MONTHS after I had Covid, and the heart stuff.
I've NEVER said that Carditis of ANY kind is something that isn't a serious issue. It is, of course. But the 'spin' of this post is to suggest that the vaccine has caused FAR MORE incidents of Carditis than the actual STUDY proves...
The study ITSELF tells you, that 13 incidents of Myocarditis in 1 million is the average rate, within the age group of 12-39 years old. That translates to 1/100th of 1 percent chance, that ANYONE in that age group gets any form of carditis. That's a pretty damn rare thing, and an incredibly small chance that it happens.
The bottom line for me is, I get tired of the FAKE FUCKING NEWS brigade here posting things as if it's FACT, when it's NOT if you look at the actual data. It's beyond fucking STUPID when all anyone has to do is actually look this shit up for themselves and see that it's just plain BULLSHIT.
Regarding your VAERS site, that's about as REAL as the bullshit on this forum. You do know that ANYONE can report things to VAERS, right? So that's not proof of anything other than people randomly posting shit there.
Read all about it...
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-vaers-is-and-isnt
I'm not trying to discredit or insult you, HD....I know you believe what you post...I just tend to disagree with some of it. It's strange to me that there's such a huge EFFORT to fight anything and everything Covid related...I don't get it, but whatever.
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Racerxrated
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....and you have some serious reading comprehension problems, but unfortunately, you are probably too old to change your ways or get the help you need.
Let me help you through this difficult time.....
Medical advice would be recommending something. I haven't recommended anything. I've only called BULLSHIT on things you right wing extremists post as FACT. But unfortunately for you, I find it fairly easy to disprove your bullshit. Google is your friend..you should try it sometime. And, for the love of the fake news god, stay off those fake news sites.
They're literally turning you into a moron.
Good luck and Godspeed to you grandpa.
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Racerxrated
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It's a website that ANYONE can report an adverse medical event. You can see the problem with anything on that site, being anything close to proven fact.
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Racerxrated
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Wow that's a really intelligent response. Have the robots taken your job yet?
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VonBonfire
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Your post reeks of fear. I guess I can't blame you because you don't even really know what you took. Who knows the side effects you could be experiencing now. Seems like your aggression and rage levels are def up in the higher range. Maybe carrying your cell phone in a foil pouch to block some of the EMF radiation will keep you calmer.
Dan Gleesak
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it has nothing to do with that. It’s about you and many others phrasing things in ways that are absolute bullshit.
You claim to be stating “facts” but then you use them in ways that were not the intent of the study. You use them in non factual ways.
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VonBonfire
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Kind of like the pro-vax buttwads did during the height of covid. Gaslighting and power tripping on any and all dissent. The narrative they sold you deserves all the ridicule that can be mustered.
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harddriver
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I don't take any offense whatsover. The emerging data says what it says. The doctor who invented MRNA technology Dr. Robert Malone almost had a stroke after his injections of Moderna and has come out completely against these shots after reviewing the emerging data as well as thousands more.
There was a study done in Israel and posted here and they did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection so there could be another cause of this rise in myocarditis and pericarditis lsited by the FDA as a known side effect but that is if you are willing to acknowledge the study and that information from the FDA.
The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients-A Large Population-Based Study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/
J Clin Med
. 2022 Apr 15;11(8
2219.doi: 10.3390/jcm11082219
Myocarditis and pericarditis are potential post-acute cardiac sequelae of COVID-19 infection, arising from adaptive immune responses. We aimed to study the incidence of post-acute COVID-19 myocarditis and pericarditis. Retrospective cohort study of 196,992 adults after COVID-19 infection in Clalit Health Services members in Israel between March 2020 and January 2021. Inpatient myocarditis and pericarditis diagnoses were retrieved from day 10 after positive PCR. Follow-up was censored on 28 February 2021, with minimum observation of 18 days. The control cohort of 590,976 adults with at least one negative PCR and no positive PCR were age- and sex-matched. Since the Israeli vaccination program was initiated on 20 December 2020, the time-period matching of the control cohort was calculated backward from 15 December 2020. Nine post-COVID-19 patients developed myocarditis (0.0046%), and eleven patients were diagnosed with pericarditis (0.0056%). In the control cohort, 27 patients had myocarditis (0.0046%) and 52 had pericarditis (0.0088%). Age (adjusted hazard ratio [aHR] 0.96, 95% confidence interval [CI]; 0.93 to 1.00) and male sex (aHR 4.42; 95% CI, 1.64 to 11.96) were associated with myocarditis. Male sex (aHR 1.93; 95% CI 1.09 to 3.41) and peripheral vascular disease (aHR 4.20; 95% CI 1.50 to 11.72) were associated with pericarditis. Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.
Dan Gleesak
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Maybe, but I don’t really see many people posting that narrative here.
I’m still glad I got my shot but I can’t say I’ve ever told anyone that they should be getting theirs. I’m not sure I’ve read anyone telling someone here that they should really go get a booster.
It’s all coming from the other side and rarely ever in a well thought out and reasonable manner.
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VonBonfire
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The furor has died down. Like any trendy crap it hits a wall and everyone dissociates from the stupidity they once lauded.
What are you so glad about? I'd be glad too if I took that poison and wasn't harmed. Instead I can just be glad I'm not dumb enough to get suckered into someone's sick experiment.
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harddriver
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VAERS is a government run vaccine adverse reaction tracking program, it is not private. The site that reprints the data is www.opensvaers.com from the CDC VAERS site. Yes it can be a self reporting situation, and a Harvard study also states that the underreporting of VAERS is 90+ percent. So you are suggesting that all the data on the VAERS site is invalid and does not show a single safety signal reagarding these injections?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System
VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html
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