Educating a tyrant on the purpose of 2A

[JackBootedThug]

Which God? Allah? Vishnu? Thor?
What complete bullshit.

I'm not even American and I can understand that if you look at the context and time in which the 2nd Amendment was written, it's got fucking nothing to do with the people arming themselves against a tyrannical government.

It was written smack bang in the middle of the French Revolution, and America and France were very aware of what was going on in either nation.
France was being run by a conservative Assembly with the radical Left gaining dominance and would soon overthrow them and drag France through years of chaotic hell and public executions. They were also up to their tits in a war against Austria and trade bans with Britain.

The Second Amendment was written so the people could join well regulated militias to protect their government (free state) against tyrannical uprisings threatening to displace it.

American is run by money loving fat senators who are funded by the profits of the NRA. The sooner people start using their fucking brains and pay attention to the first half of the 2A instead of just the second half to justify their love of guns, the better off America would be.

I really like and respect you bro…but your opinion is more fucked up than a tree full of owls….?

 

[JackBootedThug]

I’ve never understood “inalienable” to imply a higher power, unless in this case the higher power is the government

That’s because you’re a liberal masshole….lol…. I jest, I jest….sorry…when I lived in New Hampshire they always bitched about liberal massholes coming up and looking at leaves….

 

[Bad Brain]

The first sentence in the 2A in no way negates or restrains the second sentence. Which is pretty fucking clear. Militia is all able bodied men and well regulated meant well trained and equipped.

Let’s face it — not as clear as it could be. We always think it’s because of quirky writing style differences. I’m not so sure. The people that wrote it were as crafty and corrupt as modern day politicians. The constitution is a total joke as far as limiting the federal government is concerned.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

The right to defend yourself, your property and your family…yup those are natural rights…

natural rights, sure. That phrase implies they are above a government, but does not imply a creator or higher power. It just means they can’t be voted away

 

[Dan Gleesak]

That’s because you’re a liberal masshole….lol…. I jest, I jest….sorry…when I lived in New Hampshire they always bitched about liberal massholes coming up and looking at leaves….

And we bitch about New Yorkers coming up to look at our leaves lol

 

[JackBootedThug]

natural rights, sure. That phrase implies they are above a government, but does not imply a creator or higher power. It just means they can’t be voted away

All literature about this subject states natural God given rights…or rights endowed by our creator. Writings from our founding fathers anyway….but they were all racist fascist sexist Christian bigots anyway so what do those old white men know?

 

[JackBootedThug]

Let’s face it — not as clear as it could be. We always think it’s because of quirky writing style differences. I’m not so sure. The people that wrote it were as crafty and corrupt as modern day politicians. The constitution is a total joke as far as limiting the federal government is concerned.

I disagree. I think it’s clear as could be. I think it gets more and more convoluted as time passes on and multiple amendments have been added. People have just allowed these corrupt politicians to run amok and the federal government has turned into this bloated and corrupt nepotistic bureaucracy. They have taken this experiment of a country and have just about ruined it over enriching themselves and corporations. SHAME…..ding….SHAME…ding…

 

[JackBootedThug]

For example…Ukraine. Fuck Ukraine. And Israel/hamas/palestine. Fuck Iran/yemen and the houdinis or whatever the fuck they are. Fuck Putin and Russia. Fuck xi ping pong and china. Fuck the gear page and fuck me and you. There…I feel better now.

 

[Ben Waylin]

 

[Floyd Eye]

For example…Ukraine. Fuck Ukraine. And Israel/hamas/palestine. Fuck Iran/yemen and the houdinis or whatever the fuck they are. Fuck Putin and Russia. Fuck xi ping pong and china. Fuck the gear page and fuck me and you. There…I feel better now.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

All literature about this subject states natural God given rights…or rights endowed by our creator. Writings from our founding fathers anyway….but they were all racist fascist sexist Christian bigots anyway so what do those old white men know?

They were all Christians, but they were also very specific, much more specific than “natural rights”, to maintain a separation of church and state. If you look at the document and our country as a whole, shit look at why we came here in the first place, it was very intent on political liberty.

Sure there was a Christian influence on the founding of our country, but to base the 2nd amendment on it would be contradictive to the rest of the document. It goes against the very essence of religious freedom.

 

[Bad Brain]

I disagree. I think it’s clear as could be. I think it gets more and more convoluted as time passes on and multiple amendments have been added. People have just allowed these corrupt politicians to run amok and the federal government has turned into this bloated and corrupt nepotistic bureaucracy. They have taken this experiment of a country and have just about ruined it over enriching themselves and corporations. SHAME…..ding….SHAME…ding…

It’s a weird sentence structure that offers some room to argue about militias and so on. It could have just stated the latter portion - ‘the right to bear arms shall not be infringed‘. As for the rest of the constitution, the general welfare clause and interstate commerce clause among other items opened up Pandora’s box. I think that the legal minds that put this together knew it. Just look at the size and shape of our government if you need concrete evidence that the constitution — however clear it may have been written — has utterly failed at limiting government.

 

[JackBootedThug]

Of course there was a Christian influence…this is a Christian country. The more it changes the worse it gets. The God given right to defend yourself, your family, your property…freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom to defend both. You see the problem is cultural. There’s an almost 50/50 division in this country over boomsticks and such. Depends on where and how you were raised. I remember in firearms training at FLETC the amount of rookies who had never handled a firearm. I was shocked. Just seems crazy to me.

 

[JackBootedThug]

It’s a weird sentence structure that offers some room to argue about militias and so on. It could have just stated the latter portion - ‘the right to bear arms shall not be infringed‘. As for the rest of the constitution, the general welfare clause and interstate commerce clause among other items opened up Pandora’s box. I think that the legal minds that put this together knew it. Just look at the size and shape of our government if you need concrete evidence that the constitution — however clear it may have been written — has utterly failed at limiting government.

The government became bloated when they realized the potential we had to not only affect ourselves, but to affect the world to enrich ourselves. The Pax Americana lol….controlling the seaways and everything else…

 

[JackBootedThug]

And when I say enrich ourselves, I don’t mean you and me.

 

[Music&Chaos]

I’m not saying we should get rid of 2A, just that it has nothing to do with God given rights. It’s very much a human given right

I agree with you in a way. Replace God with Nature and most would probably agree. Humans are the highest order of being in the planet - there is neither anyone who is above or below you, just your equal, and this was given to us/performed by nature. Do you have the right to defend yourself? Yes. According to who? Yourself, for there is no other above or below you on earth. Heads up that I have a lot going on and prob won't be following this thread overall.

 

[Music&Chaos]

HOW DARE YOU HIT ME WITH SO MUCH NOSTALGIA. Lmao as a kid, I drew that sh*t all over everything too. Glad I got that phase behind me lol

 

[Bad Brain]

Natural rights, constitutions, whatever. These are human constructs that might sound great and make sense, but it’s not going to stop another human or group of humans from doing what they want and rationalizing it. Might makes right. Is that Nietzsche?

 

[rsm]

"On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[rsm]

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." -Thomas Jefferson