Educating a tyrant on the purpose of 2A

[Ben Waylin]

 

[Floyd Eye]

HOW DARE YOU HIT ME WITH SO MUCH NOSTALGIA. Lmao as a kid, I drew that sh*t all over everything too. Glad I got that phase behind me lol

Dude I’m 55 and I just listened to that album yesterday.

 

[Music&Chaos]

Dude I’m 55 and I just listened to that album yesterday.

Wow. 1st time for everything!!

 

[Floyd Eye]

Wow. 1st time for everything!!

Oh it’s not the first time. I probably got that CD around 2001.

 

[Music&Chaos]

Oh it’s not the first time. I probably got that CD around 2001.

Ah I'm a goober. I reread that and totally get what you mean now. I just had my fill of it I think. Sometimes I go back and jam some tracks for fun but not much ICP stuff anymore. When I go back, I tend to hit up the old Twiztid stuff - 'Bagz', etc. Brings up so many teen memories. Then later, in my 20s, I would do a bunch of guitar work on stage with underground hip-hop artists and go to different events with Juggalos and stuff. A lot of fun times with people like that. The backyard wrestling group is absolutely insane and insanely sweet LOL real cool people.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Ah I'm a goober. I reread that and totally get what you mean now. I just had my fill of it I think. Sometimes I go back and jam some tracks for fun but not much ICP stuff anymore. When I go back, I tend to hit up the old Twiztid stuff - 'Bagz', etc. Brings up so many teen memories. Then later, in my 20s, I would do a bunch of guitar work on stage with underground hip-hop artists and go to different events with Juggalos and stuff. A lot of fun times with people like that. The backyard wrestling group is absolutely insane and insanely sweet LOL real cool people.

I only ever liked about 10 of their songs. Clever, explicit lyrics are my weakness. Mike Clark and the Gangsta Fun Band were bad ass. I mean come on, I Want My Shit is a great song.

I once got banned from TGP for posting that uncensored YT video. Fucking faggots over there.

 

[Dave M]

natural rights, sure. That phrase implies they are above a government, but does not imply a creator or higher power. It just means they can’t be voted away

Then get over your "creator" or "Higher power" phobia. For your sake, leave it out.
The entire point has been explained to you, and Roy's statement regarding tyranny against citizens is the reason. Nadler and the rest of the tyrants and commies can fuck right off.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Then get over your "creator" or "Higher power" phobia. For your sake, leave it out.
The entire point has been explained to you, and Roy's statement regarding tyranny against citizens is the reason. Nadler and the rest of the tyrants and commies can fuck right off.

Lol it’s not a phobia. There is a time and place for “higher powers” and I don’t think gun rights is one of them.

 

[Dave M]

Lol it’s not a phobia. There is a time and place for “higher powers” and I don’t think gun rights is one of them.

As usual, you still try to twist it.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

As usual, you still try to twist it.

I think if you reread my posts, you would see that you are incorrect about that

 

[Ben Waylin]

Lol it’s not a phobia. There is a time and place for “higher powers” and I don’t think gun rights is one of them.

Sell your cloak and buy a sword.

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[Dan Gleesak]

Sell your cloak and buy a sword.

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I already have a sword

 

[Ben Waylin]

I already have a sword

You're good to go !

 

[Dan Gleesak]

You're good to go !

It’s dangerous to go alone

 

[Ben Waylin]

It’s dangerous to go alone

Here, take this..

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Here, take this..

Isn’t it weird how the Ruto evolved into the Rito when Hyrule flooded?

 

[311boogieman]

"On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." -Thomas Jefferson

Thank you.

 

[jdel77]

"On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit of the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson

Precisely what I've been saying.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Precisely what I've been saying.

Um, it's not at all what you were saying.

 

[jdel77]

You should read what the people who wrote it had to say about it's meaning. You should at least read something from somewhere else other than where you're reading it. We don't register our guns here. It's clear wherever you get your faulty info is someone doing democratic politicians and anti-gun activist's work for them. Evil NRA amirite.

I'm pro gun. We had guns in the house growing up as Dad culled feral animals for the NZ Government.
I think anyone who is mentally fit and able to should be able to carry a knife, gun, sword, whatever.
The issue is how easy it is to either buy a handgun with or without a license, or to get a license to get a gun.
My understanding is that any guns which aren't handguns ie: machine guns, shotguns must be registered and the penalties aren't fun if you don't.

The constitution doesn't give the government power. It doesn't tell you what the government CAN do, it tells you what it CAN'T do. It was written for the people, by the people. The same people in the second sentence of the 2A.

Agree, it's legislative constraint against Government overreach on the liberty of its' citizens. But again, why would citizens forming Government seek to curtail the extent of their own influence? While they're of sound mind and body of course the point is moot, but it's damn well worth having in case citizens form a radical Left Wing faction seeking Revolution, which is exactly what happened in France.
Further, if they'd had a citizen led militia which they could rely on then they could've had far more muscle in those urban centres where the sans culottes were freely murdering anyone supporting a more conservative form of administration.
The new USA Government did have the best interests of the citizens in mind, as they were the founding fathers who signed.
Those who refused to sign, or left clearly didn't have the interests of the new government in mind, and knew that if militant opposition formed then there would be huge show of strength of capable, trained and armed citizens ready to defend their government against Revolution.

It absolutely was written specifically to restrain the government from doing the shit England was doing to the colonists. This is basic US history. Before you start trying to tackle subtle subsections of US constitutional law, you should maybe just concentrate on basic US history.

Nope. I disagree.
I believe it was written so the Government could call up armed citizens (militias) for help and support in the event of a Revolutionary uprising, usually in the form of Left Wing radicalism, or foreign invasion.

The first sentence in the 2A in no way negates or restrains the second sentence. Which is pretty fucking clear. Militia is all able bodied men and well regulated meant well trained and equipped.

The 1st half spells out how important the support of citizens is to the Government, as the Government comprises citizens. The 2nd half spells out that it is unconstitutional to strip citizens of their rights to arm themselves in order to assist the Government. Their Government.