Fryette 4x12 Fat Bottom Cabs

[steve_k]

Any opinions on the Fryette 4x12 Fat Bottom cabs with the Eminence P50's? I don't see much talk about them and no clips/vids of any use. I am set on the vintage side of things and have enough cabinetry and speaker options there. Getting my metal rig back together. For scooped metal, there is no better cab to me than a front load to help project the scooped mids and dropped singles.

There's just not much available on the front loaded market, other than these Fryette, Bogner and Diezel. Curious about these Eminence speakers too. I spoke to Eminence and with the P50 being proprietary, they wouldn't say much. Closest produced speaker is the VG128. Still made in the USA which is good. Anything made in China goes in the Chin Bin.

Already own a German made Diezel (was I pissed to find Chinese Celestions in there for the fucking money the cab costs). Bogner has a front load cab but still has a back door and this seems to defeat the air-tight purpose build of the cab, but they sound good enough I guess

Jason already gave me some info and his opinion when paired with the Evil Pumpkin. Appreciated.....


Steve

 

[thegame]

Not a fan of P50s. There's this hollow midrange notch thats impossible to dial out.

Are you open to used, older Celestions ? Plenty of discontinued models from the early 80s that do metal great, and there are no modern equivalents.

 

[SirBoye]

I haven't tried all there is, not even close but, they are some of my favorite speakers. I've tried my former VHT 4x12 with numerous heads and honestly only LOVED them when I was playing a VHT head but they still sounded pretty solid with everything else. To my ears, they had no fizz/unwanted crunchiness which I like when playing higher gain stuff.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. P50e's have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

 

[SirBoye]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. They have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

Fully agree. Focused is a great way to describe them.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. They have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

Fully agree. Focused is a great way to describe them.

The Deliverance has been described as more open and less focused. I would like to try one one day. Probably be a great mix with the Fat bottom. Must be something about the cab design since they use the same Eminence speaker.

 

[SirBoye]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. They have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

Fully agree. Focused is a great way to describe them.

The Deliverance has been described as more open and less focused. I would like to try one one day. Probably be a great mix with the Fat bottom. Must be something about the cab design since they use the same Eminence speaker.

I actually attempted to check out the difference. All I could figure out is that the fatbottom was the older model (....or they other way around ). Either way, I really couldn't figure out the difference. I'm sure I would know if I played a deliverance cab but,

 

[Gsxrbusa]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. They have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

Fully agree. Focused is a great way to describe them.

The Deliverance has been described as more open and less focused. I would like to try one one day. Probably be a great mix with the Fat bottom. Must be something about the cab design since they use the same Eminence speaker.

I actually attempted to check out the difference. All I could figure out is that the fatbottom was the older model (....or they other way around ). Either way, I really couldn't figure out the difference. I'm sure I would know if I played a deliverance cab but,

Yeah, I would like to a/b them someday and see how different they really are.

 

[SirBoye]

I own 2. A straight and and an angle. Very tight and focused cab. Solid bottom end. They have been described as a hot rodded Greenback. The P50e is smoother to my ears as opposed to say a Vintage 30. I like the cabs, it serves my purpose well.

Fully agree. Focused is a great way to describe them.

The Deliverance has been described as more open and less focused. I would like to try one one day. Probably be a great mix with the Fat bottom. Must be something about the cab design since they use the same Eminence speaker.

I actually attempted to check out the difference. All I could figure out is that the fatbottom was the older model (....or they other way around ). Either way, I really couldn't figure out the difference. I'm sure I would know if I played a deliverance cab but,

Yeah, I would like to a/b them someday and see how different they really are.

It would be great to do so. But, to stay on topic.... I would recommend at least trying out a fat bottom cab. P50s might not be everyones thing but, I sure enjoyed them!

 

[stephen sawall]

How do they compare with a greenback ? Do they have more bass ?

I have played on them but it was with other gear I was not familiar with ..... so I could not do a decent A/B.

 

[Gsxrbusa]

How do they compare with a greenback ? Do they have more bass ?

I have played on them but it was with other gear I was not familiar with ..... so I could not do a decent A/B.

More bass, not as dark, Maybe breakup a tad later. More aggressive. Maybe a tad more stale than a greenback but i feel that way about most Eminence speaks. Still a great speaker, great clean tones too.

 

[Filter500]

Not a fan of P50s. There's this hollow midrange notch thats impossible to dial out.

Are you open to used, older Celestions ? Plenty of discontinued models from the early 80s that do metal great, and there are no modern equivalents.

Which VHT cabs have you tried? I ask because at one time I had a standard 2x12 and a 2x12 fatbottom to compare, and while the fatbottom had that hollow mid notch, the standard didn't and sounded full and more forward in the mids. They both had p50es, so I think it was the fact that the fatbottoms are front loaded that gives them that more hollow sound. I have 2 fatbottom 2x12s now.

 

[crwnedblasphemy]

i just got rid of my 2x12 fatbottom...Kinda wish I had kept it, but a guy gave me good cash for it. The P50s are pretty solid. Presence is not an issue. Didn't care for it with my splawn, but with a darker amp, sounded awesome....I bet a roadster would sound awesome with it!! I used my Carvin Legacy with it, and I loved that combo.

 

[steve_k]

I think the cab and speakers would work well with an Uberschall type amp or even my Cameron for more metal type work. As I said, I am well covered for vintage Marshall and old school. I can always change speakers, and usually do anyway just to try different stuff.

I guess everything stayed the same, except the name when Fryette bought out VHT?


Steve

 

[stephen sawall]

I think the cab and speakers would work well with an Uberschall type amp or even my Cameron for more metal type work. As I said, I am well covered for vintage Marshall and old school. I can always change speakers, and usually do anyway just to try different stuff.

I guess everything stayed the same, except the name when Fryette bought out VHT?


Steve

There was no buy out. Steve Fryette was the original owner of VHT. He sold the name and nothing else. Steve Fryette is still building the same amps now under the name Fryette. The amps being made now under the name VHT has nothing to do with Fryette.

 

[steve_k]

I think the cab and speakers would work well with an Uberschall type amp or even my Cameron for more metal type work. As I said, I am well covered for vintage Marshall and old school. I can always change speakers, and usually do anyway just to try different stuff.

I guess everything stayed the same, except the name when Fryette bought out VHT?


Steve

There was no buy out. Steve Fryette was the original owner of VHT. He sold the name and nothing else. Steve Fryette is still building the same amps now under the name Fryette. The amps being made now under the name VHT has nothing to do with Fryette.

Well, dammit. Learned something today....thanks!

Steve

 

[the4thlast1]

How do they compare with a greenback ? Do they have more bass ?

I have played on them but it was with other gear I was not familiar with ..... so I could not do a decent A/B.

I dont really think they sound much like a greenback at all.... They sound good don't get me wrong but not like a greenie to me. The lowend is much different first off, on the P50 there is a little less bass and it is a good deal tighter, sharper where a greenback is rounder, smoother. The midrange on the p50's are a bit hollow , a little scooped compared to others. Greenbacks have a ton of midrange , a good deal of lower mids but overall more mids than the p50. Greenbacks have much more of a wet sound where the p50's are super clear and not as colored.

Here is my take... If you want a speaker that has tight bass, relaxed mids and cutting but not harsh highs with an overall very clear sound than thats the p50's in a fatbottom cab.

I got tired of my fatbottom because I missed the big midrange of some other speakers.

 

[SirBoye]

I think the cab and speakers would work well with an Uberschall type amp or even my Cameron for more metal type work. As I said, I am well covered for vintage Marshall and old school. I can always change speakers, and usually do anyway just to try different stuff.

I guess everything stayed the same, except the name when Fryette bought out VHT?


Steve

There was no buy out. Steve Fryette was the original owner of VHT. He sold the name and nothing else. Steve Fryette is still building the same amps now under the name Fryette. The amps being made now under the name VHT has nothing to do with Fryette.

From what I recall, he didn't sell the name. He had an agreement (just a simple money loan, if I remember correctly) with the people who put out amps under the name VHT now. Steve Fryette in some way or another didn't meet the terms of this agreement so he had to give up the rights to the VHT name. But ya, he puts out the same stuff nonetheless. Great company too, awesome guys to deal with and have amazing products.

Hey Steve,just out of curiosity, what has been your favorite speaker setup with your Cameron thus far? Have you ever tried Scumbacks?

 

[Gsxrbusa]

How do they compare with a greenback ? Do they have more bass ?

I have played on them but it was with other gear I was not familiar with ..... so I could not do a decent A/B.

I dont really think they sound much like a greenback at all.... They sound good don't get me wrong but not like a greenie to me. The lowend is much different first off, on the P50 there is a little less bass and it is a good deal tighter, sharper where a greenback is rounder, smoother. The midrange on the p50's are a bit hollow , a little scooped compared to others. Greenbacks have a ton of midrange , a good deal of lower mids but overall more mids than the p50. Greenbacks have much more of a wet sound where the p50's are super clear and not as colored.

Here is my take... If you want a speaker that has tight bass, relaxed mids and cutting but not harsh highs with an overall very clear sound than thats the p50's in a fatbottom cab.

I got tired of my fatbottom because I missed the big midrange of some other speakers.

Maybe I need to revisit the Greenback because that was not my experience at all. Of course they were in an old Marshall cab, not that it matters. My experience was as if the cab had a blanket over it, and this was using a fairly bright amp. I do agree with the way you are describing the P50e. Not harsh in the highs is the key on these things. Slightly bland with the way they breakup as compared to most Celestions.

 

[bravedude2]

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