Stramm8
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Didn't you buy this through a dealer?? If so, seems like they would be on the hook for all of this BS. In any event, I'm confident it will be as good as new if not better when its all said and done. 
Bob Savage
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Shawn Lutz":386oylh9 said:I'd be inclined send a copy of the invoice to Gibson's Legal team as someone is out there building 59 replicas and logoing them as Gibson's
So these are being logo'd as Gibson? I asked that in another thread and the answer was they use the Gibson typeset but say Gil Yaron.
rlord1974
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steve_k":1na6yfet said:
I get so scared seeing pics like that it makes me want to sell all of my Les Pauls.
Much MOJO, Steve.
rlord1974
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Double post.
Steinmetzify
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steve_k":2yro762u said:
All of these things are inexcusable on a guitar that costs this much, and this is NO way to build a relationship with a guy that could/would have conceivably spent another 40-50k in the next few years with the builder.
I'm really sorry it happened, Steve....but this guy is fucking up big-time. There is no way that anyone considering a purchase of this magnitude that hangs either here or on MLP would ever go ahead with it knowing what happened to you could happen to them. Many thanks for being honest and documenting it. Anyone I know thinking about this is gonna get a re-direct to this thread and the MLP repair thread with full disclosure from me about anything that didn't come up in these two threads.
Also inexcusable is the fact that these builders DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE THAT WE ALL TALK TO EACH OTHER?! Do they really not get that their EVERY MOVE, be it complimentary or otherwise in such a situation is going to be plastered all over the internet gear forums for EVERY POTENTIAL CUSTOMER in the world to see? Does a single one of the people reading this have even ONE friend that doesn't use Google or internet forums to help them make gear choices? All he had to do was hit the internet for about 15 minutes MAX, to find out who you are, WHERE you are, and what kind of gear you own or have owned. He could have turned this into the best PR his company ever had...instead he does this. People fuckin baffle me.
50,000 people a day reading bad reviews vs 300 customers posting a NGD thread is not a good business model.
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Schaf
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steve_k":ms2mcjuj said:
When I buy something, I feel it's the sellers responsibility until the items gets in my hands unharmed. Once I get it unharmed, it's my responsibilty. What an fn weasel.
gibson5413
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sah5150":1yeagzit said:My mind is blown...steve_k":1yeagzit said:
Steve
This.
Sorry about this but that is complete horse shit. I try never to cuss but I can't think of a better description. As far as I am concerned Gil deserves to be smeared on the forums for this situation. I don't like the way he washes his hands of this packing job. He could have come out like a hero here with just a little bit of effort. Ultimately I feel bad for you. Regardless you will be left holding next to nothing since so many on the forums know what happened. So sorry for all of this Steve. Hopefully Greg gets you squared away so you feel great about the guitar.
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Not Gibson logo'd. It says "Gilyaron" in Gibson-like script. It DOES NOT say Gibson...Bob Savage":2pph8fyt said:Shawn Lutz":2pph8fyt said:I'd be inclined send a copy of the invoice to Gibson's Legal team as someone is out there building 59 replicas and logoing them as Gibson's
So these are being logo'd as Gibson? I asked that in another thread and the answer was they use the Gibson typeset but say Gil Yaron.
As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one. Everyone sell your Edwards LPs then... Also, sell your Metro clone, etc... You don't see Marshall trying to shut down Metro, Fargen, etc. over 50 year old designs. It's just silly... Ohn yeah, sell your Bugeras too...
On this shipping issue with Steve... well... I'm appalled...
Steve
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Heritage Softail
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Anyone can email Gibson to drop a dime on Yaron for making copies of Les Pauls. And we all buy copies of Fender and Marshall amps. And download music...
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Absolutely, the problem is that of the shipper, not the receiver of the product. Not tooting my horn, but my 4x12s were built by a third party until I found a local cab guy and they were drop shipped to the customer rather than shipping them to me and having me re-ship them (which is just another chance for shipping disaster). One customer received a cab and it was damaged on the bottom - really just cosmetic - but that is irrelevant. The customer was rightfully bummed and I immediately got on the phone with my builder as soon as the customer contacted me. Between myself and the builder we were ready to have an inspector to the customer's house the next day, identified appropriate forms and were ready to provide a shipping account to have the cab sent back so it could be repaired/replaced. For his own reasons, the customer decided it was best to just keep the cab, but I wanted him to be a satisfied customer, so since the shipping had been poor, I offered to refund the $150 he paid in shipping as a good faith gesture. The customer accepted and was appreciative. I basically ate my margin on the cab, but the bottom line is that this business (boutique, high value gear) is about SATISFYING THE CUSTOMER. I could have told the guy to send the cab back or done nothing when he decided to keep it, but I didn't do that because my rep matters to me. It wasn't my fault and it wasn't my builder's fault either as he ships many cabs without incident and he knows how to pack them... Shit just happens sometimes and how you treat the customer and how you satisfy them is job one...Shawn Lutz":2cjrpus6 said:sounds like GY is a douchebag to me. Did his company NOT ship this guitar? It IS his fucking problem.
I think if I got that kind of answer out of the guy I'd be going postal on his ass. Karma is a bitch but I'd be inclined send a copy of the invoice to Gibson's Legal team as someone is out there building 59 replicas and logoing them as Gibson's
This is why I also had custom, professional, bullet proof packaging made for my amp heads at considerable cost to me. The designer says the package can take a 50G hit without damaging my amp (sounds ridiculous to me, but this is what I was told by the industrial designer) I want my customers to get their amps in one piece.
Steve
HRC51
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Based on this and my own personal ongoing hell, are there any luthiers that are honest?
BTW: Did you get your new Ken Lawrence yet? Please post some pics!
BTW: Did you get your new Ken Lawrence yet? Please post some pics!
steve_k
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HRC51":7pfytq5m said:
KL's.......and yes, there's plenty of honest ones out there. Who are you having problems with?
HRC51
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I'm part of the ongoing Bernie Rico Jr fiasco. I wish I had put my money down with Mr. Lawrence instead.
Thanks for the pictures
Thanks for the pictures
steve_k
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Here's a shot of the high impact newspaper that stabilized the guitar in its case and a picture of the box. The single ply box was shaped for the case and designed to transport an empty case - not a case with a 9lb guitar in it and provide any impact protection. He might as well have just stuck an address label on the case and forgot the box.
dooredge
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steve_k":3th9jczc said:
That stealth KL is SWEET!
At least you have this beauty to rock on until the repairs on the *name that shall not be spoken* LP are complete.
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H Golf Sport
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Wow. Can you imagine the shit storm this would start on tgp.
Is there really any recourse as he is in Israel? Do they have a BBB over there?
Is there really any recourse as he is in Israel? Do they have a BBB over there?
rlord1974
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sah5150":h9g33bm5 said:
I agree with you for the most part, Steve. However, I think Gibson would be less inclined to go after a company doing lower-cost knock offs, as the people buying them are typically doing so because they can't or do not want to spend the dough on the real deal. That's not a knock on the knock-offs, as a lot of them are top notch guitars (e.g., Edwards). However, Gil Yaron is doing something quite different - he is stealing potential customers from the high dollar, high margin Gibson Custom Shop products. I'm quite sure Gibson Corporate gets their panties in a bunch much more over this than the lesser-expensive, budget-minded knock-offs that, frankly, are likely not even "stealing" customers away from Gibson for the reasons previously outlined.....
charveldan
Banned
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That makes me sick but Gat Damn thats a Gorgeous top.
Greg will come thru and you will have The Resurrection ...
Greg will come thru and you will have The Resurrection ...
ejecta
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sah5150":3nqdvrj7 said:
True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.
Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.
kasperjensen
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Well that crosses one guitar of my wish list.