Gil Yaron 59 Replica Headstock Repair

[Deleted member 16554]

high impact newspaper

incredibly sorry for the situation you're in but thats just hilarious

must be some advanced israeli technology

 

[MOOSEHEADS]

If I had paid that kind of money for that caliber of a guitar and when I opened the case saw newspaper shoved in all around it like that......
Much less the piss poor packaging.


Note to self: Never ever give that "builder" a FN DIME!

 

[lordriffenstein]

To answer a bunch of questions:

- With the Gibson lawsuit, I was advised to be a little concerned of shipping the guitar out/in as there may be a Customs flag and could be confiscated.

- Gil is not covering the work. He considers his job to be done.

- I am covering the repair work and shipping.

- Gil is still making 59 Replica's. I was led to believe otherwise.

- Replacing the set neck requires a lot of work and refinishing. Same amount of time and effort to build a new one. That said, I am on my own.

- Refund not possible. He blames the shipping company. It was suggested by Gil that I make a fraudulent claim against them. What?

- I still have a couple of cards to play.

- Gil was pretty good to work with, right up until the point of final payment.

- Right now, I wouldn't let him change the strings on my fucking guitar.

- My asshole still hurts from the reaming and no lube.

I just came back to this thread to re-read the post above.
I thought I was hallucinating the 1st time I read it.

Unbelievable how he can deny all responsibility and leave you hanging. Read on TGP that he has bought quality cases for future builds, that's acknowledging he was in the wrong if you ask me.
As you said, Karma is a bitch but I hope you find a way to get back him!
VERY sorry to hear this!

 

[lordriffenstein]

To answer a bunch of questions:

- With the Gibson lawsuit, I was advised to be a little concerned of shipping the guitar out/in as there may be a Customs flag and could be confiscated.

- Gil is not covering the work. He considers his job to be done.

- I am covering the repair work and shipping.

- Gil is still making 59 Replica's. I was led to believe otherwise.

- Replacing the set neck requires a lot of work and refinishing. Same amount of time and effort to build a new one. That said, I am on my own.

- Refund not possible. He blames the shipping company. It was suggested by Gil that I make a fraudulent claim against them. What?

- I still have a couple of cards to play.

- Gil was pretty good to work with, right up until the point of final payment.

- Right now, I wouldn't let him change the strings on my fucking guitar.

- My asshole still hurts from the reaming and no lube.

I just came back to this thread to re-read the post above.
I thought I was hallucinating the 1st time I read it.

Unbelievable how he can deny all responsibility and leave you hanging. Read on TGP that he has bought quality cases for future builds, that's acknowledging he was in the wrong if you ask me.
As you said, Karma is a bitch but I hope you find a way to get back him!
VERY sorry to hear this!

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. ..... Everyone sell your Edwards LPs then. .....Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous.

I agree with you for the most part, Steve. However, I think Gibson would be less inclined to go after a company doing lower-cost knock offs, as the people buying them are typically doing so because they can't or do not want to spend the dough on the real deal. That's not a knock on the knock-offs, as a lot of them are top notch guitars (e.g., Edwards). However, Gil Yaron is doing something quite different - he is stealing potential customers from the high dollar, high margin Gibson Custom Shop products. I'm quite sure Gibson Corporate gets their panties in a bunch much more over this than the lesser-expensive, budget-minded knock-offs that, frankly, are likely not even "stealing" customers away from Gibson for the reasons previously outlined.....

I guess I just see a big difference to Gibson between, say, Edwards stealing many more potential customers for the normal USA line of LPs and Yaron grabbing a much, much smaller share of Custom Shop customers. Each is doing the same thing, but Edwards costs Gibson FAR more if you ask me. Tons of people know Edwards and they have the bucks to spend $800 instead of $1300+ for the Gibson USA. Seems they are losing way more money there. Also Yaron is considerably more expensive than the Gibson Custom Shop (except the artist stuff where they have to pay the artist and their margin is reduced anyway) and almost no one knows about him. He's building a handful of guitars a year for people that probably already own or have owned a Historic anyway and wouldn't have bought another. I think your logic is backwards. I'd concentrate on Edwards (if I had a leg to stand on, which they don't anyway because it is being done outside the USA) because they are losing WAY more there than with a guy like Yaron.

The more interesting thing is that they really don't have a leg to stand on in going after people like Yaron in Israel. Instead, they go after a USA Yaron dealer, because he doesn't have cash to hire the legal team that Gibson can. The dealer folds instantly, shitting himself with fear when he gets the letter from Gibson. Edwards, with far more resources would respond to the same letter with a big "Fuck YOU!" That is the real truth... It's easier to stop the little guy, so they do...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me you're joking?

For the record, I love both Yaron and Lawrence's work...

For the record, I think this shipping incident was handled atrociously based on Steve's account...

Steve

 

[ejecta]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

 

[snowdog]

I'd be inclined send a copy of the invoice to Gibson's Legal team as someone is out there building 59 replicas and logoing them as Gibson's

So these are being logo'd as Gibson? I asked that in another thread and the answer was they use the Gibson typeset but say Gil Yaron.

Google.

https://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g480/scoubix/HS.jpg

 

['63-Strat]

Here's a shot of the high impact newspaper that stabilized the guitar in its case and a picture of the box. The single ply box was shaped for the case and designed to transport an empty case - not a case with a 9lb guitar in it and provide any impact protection. He might as well have just stuck an address label on the case and forgot the box.

WTF. I am literally (almost ) speechless. It just defies all logic for this to happen with any instrument let alone this one.

 

[snowdog]

To answer a bunch of questions:

- With the Gibson lawsuit, I was advised to be a little concerned of shipping the guitar out/in as there may be a Customs flag and could be confiscated.

- Gil is not covering the work. He considers his job to be done.

- I am covering the repair work and shipping.

- Gil is still making 59 Replica's. I was led to believe otherwise.

- Replacing the set neck requires a lot of work and refinishing. Same amount of time and effort to build a new one. That said, I am on my own.

- Refund not possible. He blames the shipping company. It was suggested by Gil that I make a fraudulent claim against them. What?

- I still have a couple of cards to play.

- Gil was pretty good to work with, right up until the point of final payment.

- Right now, I wouldn't let him change the strings on my fucking guitar.

- My asshole still hurts from the reaming and no lube.

I would sue this Asshole.

 

[Anonymous]

To answer a bunch of questions:

- With the Gibson lawsuit, I was advised to be a little concerned of shipping the guitar out/in as there may be a Customs flag and could be confiscated.

- Gil is not covering the work. He considers his job to be done.

- I am covering the repair work and shipping.

- Gil is still making 59 Replica's. I was led to believe otherwise.

- Replacing the set neck requires a lot of work and refinishing. Same amount of time and effort to build a new one. That said, I am on my own.

- Refund not possible. He blames the shipping company. It was suggested by Gil that I make a fraudulent claim against them. What?

- I still have a couple of cards to play.

- Gil was pretty good to work with, right up until the point of final payment.

- Right now, I wouldn't let him change the strings on my fucking guitar.

- My asshole still hurts from the reaming and no lube.

I would sue this Asshole.

He's an Israeli living in Israel. Seems that could be difficult...

Steve

 

[ejecta]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

 

[snowdog]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one. Everyone sell your Edwards LPs then...

Gibson only goes after those whose make better ones than they do.

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

Absolutely! I am so happy to see someone I can have a conversation with where we disagree that doesn't end up up in immature personal attacks. Very refreshing!

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one. Everyone sell your Edwards LPs then...

Gibson only goes after those whose make better ones than they do.

Than they REALLY should be going after Edwards!

Steve

 

[ejecta]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

Absolutely! I am so happy to see someone I can have a conversation with where we disagree that doesn't end up up in immature personal attacks. Very refreshing!

Well in all honesty I changed it from something that could have been taken personal. No need to go down that road.

 

[Anonymous]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

Absolutely! I am so happy to see someone I can have a conversation with where we disagree that doesn't end up up in immature personal attacks. Very refreshing!

Well in all honesty I changed it from something that could have been taken personal. No need to go down that road.

Bastard!

Steve

 

[ejecta]

As far as making as Les Paul clone, I think it's hilarious that guys are talking about "stealing a design" here. Please... it is Gibson that is being ridiculous trying to protect a 60+ year old design NOW. There have been a million Les Paul clones made by a million guitar companies. Singling out Yaron as stealing is ridiculous. It's public domain at this point even with a patent and let's face it their isn't one.

True.... may not be "illegal" but IMHO it's really fucking lame, lazy, and very low class.

Those Ken Lawrence's that were posted... to me even though they are not my thing are freaking awesome and from a true creative designer and not from a thief.

With all do respect, bro - that's f'n ridiculous. You chastise Yaron as "fucking lame, lazy and very low class" for making a true to the 50s method (that Gibson won't do) Gibson Les Paul clone and then praise Lawrence as a " true creative designer" for making an admittedly gorgeous Gibson Explorer clone with a different headstock and intricate inlays. Please tell me your joking?

Steve

The KL's at least change some things up like the headstock, inlays, neck profile etc that no one has done before. Yes it's an explorer shaped inspired body but the rest is very different. But Yaron is just changing the logo in which he uses the same font. I can respect the skill it takes to build them by hand but I don't respect that he makes total copies to the point of even using the same font in the headstock. Every picture you see of them people hide the headstock. Yes IMHO that's totally lame, lazy, a being a thief. If you are that good of a luthier... design your own and change some things up. Be original.... not a hack.

All I can say is that I think it's ridiculous that changing a few things makes Lawrence a "true creative designer" and going back to 50s techniques to build an LP that Gibson won't (and that a few people obviously want), without changing a few things makes Yaron "fucking lame, lazy and very low class". No one has put out an Explorer clone with a different neck profile, headstock, or inlays before? You're reaching brother - that's also ridiculous. Yaron has designed his own completely original guitar called the Bone as well. Very cool instrument that has less to do with a Les Paul than Lawrence's has to do with an Explorer... Making a guitar with an Explorer body is not original. He's doing it better than anyone else and I'd love to own one, but it ain't original...

Steve

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

Absolutely! I am so happy to see someone I can have a conversation with where we disagree that doesn't end up up in immature personal attacks. Very refreshing!

Well in all honesty I changed it from something that could have been taken personal. No need to go down that road.

Bastard!

Steve

Not the first time I've been called that... and I'm sure not the last

 

[Bob Savage]

Absolutely! I am so happy to see someone I can have a conversation with where we disagree that doesn't end up up in immature personal attacks. Very refreshing!

butt holes.