Got to try the Axe FX II today

[JerEvil]

I was very interested in the Axe stuff and still very interested in the "other" option as well. When it is all said and done for gigging purposes, I prefer a tube amp and always bring a back-up.

Too paranoid to have my ability to make noise dependent on 1 piece of gear.

 

[Ventura]

To me they only make sense if they work FRFR for you. But that's me.

I still really want to try a II but it wold definitely have to be FRFR to make it worth $2,500 - to me

Exactly. I'm not impressed with the whole poweramp to guitar cabinet set up. I mean, ya, it sounded okay when I did it, but it wasn't getting me all that and then some.

The FRFR route with stereo (2) CLRs will be my project. Hell, with a laid up ankle and 6 weeks off work, I've got all the time in the world to see if this thing gets me where I want it to go. To all those who continue to speak praise about the unit, this is what I want to tap into. I know it's attainable - it's either my lack of knowledge on getting there, or perhaps I have to listen with a different set of sonic expectations to better realize and accept what it is that's happening when I play.

 

[Shark Diver]

Haven't you ever tried your tube preamps with different poweramps? The mix/match is part of the fun, I use to hook two amp heads in tandem with their opposing power amps hooked up just to hear new sounds. Also, I went from 8 sounds to what 105 right now and growing, my amp gas is cured, when I get tired of a sound I just dial in a new one, always fresh and I've used some amp sims I never would have tried as real amps,ear opening.

Of course I have tried different combos - but as I said, I like most, tend to dial in the same basic tone on whatever I am using. I in no way get needing 105 different tones at a gig.And I simply did not find the Axe sims of preamps to match my tube preamps tonally anyway. Maybe it does now, I don't know. And for the price point I can get just about any tube pre I would like.

For me the preamps entirely change the character of any sound I dial up enough for my uses. I've actually consider buying all the tube power amps available and making a midi switching matrix to use them all, then again I'm really happy with one six space rack, don't really want to haul a ton of gear again. Lately in the interest of poweramp options I'm thinking of two stereo power amps with different tubes in each channel, and some creative switching. El34, 6l6, kt90,kt120.

Then again, I see no point of hauling multiple power amps to a gig with an Axe. One of the main advantages is the downsizing. Might as well still take multiple heads at the point you're hauling multiple power amps. With racks, the power amps would be heavier than most heads, and take up more room.

I'm not looking for exact copies in terms of pre AND power amp sounds. just preamps. I've compared the preamps of the real amps spectrally to the preamp responses of the axe and with TM they could be so close the difference was negligible, once Fw 10 gets here and the dials are exact to the real amps it should get even easier.[/color].

Please dont say with the next firmware it will be "more real". It's been so "real" for years I'm not sure how it could get "realer'

I get everybody has different needs and wants. Cool. I just stated my opinion from my years experience from gigging and gear. Doesn't really mean much - except to me.

I think with the Two-Notes LIVE I have gotten a pretty damn good "in-the-room tone". Especially considering where the audience would physically be in terms of a cab and how much that that changes the "in-the-room" experience for a listener. Walking around a stage with a cab compared to walking around the stage with a wedge - I'd take the wedge for overall consistent tone. And the things I might notice from the one small sweet spot a cab might excel in is lost once the band joins in anyway.

Again I get everybody hears, and like, things differently. But to me the advantage of digital is the downsizing and FRFR. At the point I add a power amp and cab back into the mix I will just use a FISH or X88. And a Palmer or Two-Notes to go to the board.

To me they only make sense if they work FRFR for you. But that's me.

I still really want to try a II but it wold definitely have to be FRFR to make it worth $2,500 - to me

Exactly. I'm not impressed with the whole poweramp to guitar cabinet set up. I mean, ya, it sounded okay when I did it, but it wasn't getting me all that and then some.

The FRFR route with stereo (2) CLRs will be my project. Hell, with a laid up ankle and 6 weeks off work, I've got all the time in the world to see if this thing gets me where I want it to go. To all those who continue to speak praise about the unit, this is what I want to tap into. I know it's attainable - it's either my lack of knowledge on getting there, or perhaps I have to listen with a different set of sonic expectations to better realize and accept what it is that's happening when I play.

The CLRs will be interesting. Waiting for your take. I think it will give a lot of guys that traditional look and vibe that some need to cross over.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

"Please dont say with the next firmware it will be "more real". It's been so "real" for years I'm not sure how it could get "realer' "


I didn't say that,

the next firmware aims to make the modeled knob positions and functions exact to that of said amp counterpart, to tweak any remaining differences.

I said it should be easier to reach sounds that are nearly identical to the real world counterpart.

 

[Shark Diver]

"Please dont say with the next firmware it will be "more real". It's been so "real" for years I'm not sure how it could get "realer' "


I didn't say that,

the next firmware aims to make the modeled knob positions and functions exact to that of said amp counterpart, to tweak any remaining differences.

I said it should be easier to reach sounds that are nearly identical to the real world counterpart.

I was just making a sad attempt at being funny

I think that update will be cool.

 

[stratotone]

I don't see what the big deal is on modelling the exact pot taper/knob positions on the amp models. There's nothing like the special thrill you get when you first try to dial in a mesa boogie mark series and find out how useless the bass/mid/treble controls are, other than turning the bass way down so it's not mud city. I guess Mesa amps will have 5 band EQ's modeled and the Uber model will have a presence control that works like on a real uber - ie not like a traditional presence? Kemper is going to do this soon too... I still don't see what the fuss is.

 

[wizardy]

The Axe-FX II is my main practice tool (with headphones when my gf and baby are sleeping and with studio monitors the rest of the time), recording tool, gigging tool (direct + poweramp/cab) , reamping tool etc..
When we're gigging , we usually plug 2 guitars in the axe-fx and I feed my stereo poweramp to 2 4x12 and another output to FOH .

I couldn't just live without it.

Once you learn how to dial it, it's pretty easy. All you need to know is set your amp knobs as you would normally do on an amp then you set Hi-cut / Low-cut filter to taste
that's it.
Firmware 9.02 does the rest for me. And I think firmware 10 will be even easier with the MIMIC

 

[Audioholic]

Def give a report on the clr's. personally I want to kick jays ass then buy anything that ass hat has anything to do with. But that's just me Atomic are good people though

 

[Ventura]

I've never been dissed by Jay. Why so much butthurt with regards to him??

 

[Shark Diver]

I've never been dissed by Jay. Why so much butthurt with regards to him??

He's a little rough around the edges and some see him as arrogant. But that could describe me as well probably

 

[Audioholic]

I've never been dissed by Jay. Why so much butthurt with regards to him??

Pretty Understanding of people on forums and take it mostly with a grain of salt as i am sure ive pissed people off before, but there are a rare few people who really just need a public ass kicking to lean how to relate to people again. Jay is one of those people for me and I swear if I ever run into him that may just happen if he opens his arrogant asshat mouth and says some of the shit he has said. All in the name of love and the betterment of mankind of course. . But hey that's just me.

Love that the hey someone mentioned jay or Scott on rig talk let's go tell them. Lol


Sorry to derail the thread. Ass kicking needed aside. Axe is bad ass. Atomic are good people and in my conversations with them have tried to separate themselves from jays strong online persona.

 

[Audioholic]

Some say he once killed a man with a guitar string....

No one said that. It was much less flattering the story with the guitar string. Kinda embarrassing really

 

[Rogue]

Pretty Understanding of people on forums and take it mostly with a grain of salt as i am sure ive pissed people off before, but there are a rare few people who really just need a public ass kicking to lean how to relate to people again. Jay is one of those people for me and I swear if I ever run into him that may just happen if he opens his arrogant asshat mouth and says some of the shit he has said. All in the name of love and the betterment of mankind of course. . But hey that's just me.

Jay Bitchell is the smartest man in the world and you are inferior to him. You just need to accept that.

 

[Audioholic]

Pretty Understanding of people on forums and take it mostly with a grain of salt as i am sure ive pissed people off before, but there are a rare few people who really just need a public ass kicking to lean how to relate to people again. Jay is one of those people for me and I swear if I ever run into him that may just happen if he opens his arrogant asshat mouth and says some of the shit he has said. All in the name of love and the betterment of mankind of course. . But hey that's just me.

Jay Bitchell is the smartest man in the world and you are inferior to him. You just need to accept that.

I know. I guess it's inevitable. Nothing I can offer in way of opinion will ever be correct when jay drops the answer. God of the Internet. He has spoken. Really does make me wonder how they are so quick to jump in threads about them with 11 post count. Does someone really run and whine to them or do they do searches to find out who's saying what. Lol

 

[Rogue]

I know. I guess it's inevitable. Nothing I can offer in way of opinion will ever be correct when jay drops the answer. God of the Internet. He has spoken. Really does make me wonder how they are so quick to jump in threads about them with 11 post count. Does someone really run and whine to them or do they do searches to find out who's saying what. Lol

I don't know. I just know he's the smartest man in the world and everyone is inferior to him.

 

[Audioholic]

Awww, I musta hurt AH's delicate feelings.

I would be embarrassed if I was atomic having you act like you do to represent their product. Some people behind products really should just keep their mouth shut, I would put you under that category. But hey that's just me. As I said. I have respect for atomic as a company. Have talked with them. Good people. But will never ever give my money to something you have contributed too. I will stick with my inferior studio monitors for home use. . Back to tgp with ya no?

 

[ejecta]

I know. I guess it's inevitable. Nothing I can offer in way of opinion will ever be correct when jay drops the answer. God of the Internet. He has spoken. Really does make me wonder how they are so quick to jump in threads about them with 11 post count. Does someone really run and whine to them or do they do searches to find out who's saying what. Lol

I don't know. I just know he's the smartest man in the world and everyone is inferior to him.

 

[Jay Mitchell]

When someone resorts to infantile name-calling just because he was called out for propagating BS, you've got to wonder about his basic character. You can search everything I've ever posted online, and you'll never find an instance of me calling someone names or threatening violence....

 

[Rogue]

When someone resorts to infantile name-calling just because he was called out for propagating BS, you've got to wonder about his basic character. You can search everything I've ever posted online, and you'll never find an instance of me calling someone names or threatening violence....

No, you just berate them on their ignorance and talk down to them. There is more than one way to be complete douchebag. Surely your gigantic brain understands that?

 

[Audioholic]

When someone resorts to infantile name-calling just because he was called out for propagating BS, you've got to wonder about his basic character. You can search everything I've ever posted online, and you'll never find an instance of me calling someone names or threatening violence....

Jay you may think you called me out, or corrected me, or whatever you choose to think and say to make it sound like you are all knowing, which is complete bullshit, please, lecturing about the history of monitors, really not saying anything other then to derail from the fact that hey, there ARE other options, probably better ones to suggest then your design for certain situations, which was exactly what I was doing to offer real help, not self serving. but in your infinite wisdom, arrogance, you will never understand this. The level of douche bag arrogance you choose to relate to people is just sad, and I feel sorry for you. And as I said, will never support anything you contribute to. I would say more of what I have heard from others, including people you have worked for, but I am thinking your mouth will say enough on its own to tell what kind of person you are. Corrected me, thanks Jay. I really do think you feel like you know it all and have THE best answers, and well hate to break it to you, but you don't

Truly hope you learn to relate like a normal person. Its a shame that someone with such a strong persona like yourself is out there on the front lines representing what probably is a great product. I think Atomic people should be more vocal, not you.. Really, no need to waste more time about Jay. He is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme, and even if his CLR is awesome, It makes no difference, because there are other options, probably better, despite what line of BS he will say.