Smash
Hack
50 watt, 100 watt, and 150 watt amps are bedroom amps. People say they are for arenas because they are scared of loud music. Any amp can be an arena amp, because it is micd and run through front of house.
rsm
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100W isn't going to be much louder (3 dB) than the 50W, but it will drive the speakers harder
rsm
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50W and 100W are going to give you more clean headroom than the 20W. if higher volumes are an issue, consider a loadbox / attenuator.
the power amp's ability to drive/push the speakers is a key part of the sound results. If you don't care for speaker breakup, and want your speakers to stay clean, then the SC20H and a 4x12 works IMO
Uzi Nein Millimetah
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DanTravis62
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I would say the T75 is probably going to sound fantastic for siamese dream/90s type tones
rsm
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This cab you're considering is not going to break up at all with the SC20H
https://www.andertons.co.uk/marshall-1960b-300w-4x12-straight-cabinet-w-celestion-g12t-75-speakers/
Assuming you don't want speaker breakup, and want the full sound of the 4x12 cab this is a good combo. You can also get the power section working into the sound at lower volumes
https://www.andertons.co.uk/marshall-1960b-300w-4x12-straight-cabinet-w-celestion-g12t-75-speakers/
Assuming you don't want speaker breakup, and want the full sound of the 4x12 cab this is a good combo. You can also get the power section working into the sound at lower volumes
ChurchHill
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Two is just about right, actually...
Smash
Hack
Just depends. If you want to play quiet and not have any punch, go with a studio.
If you want to play and hear and feel the amp, then 50 watt or more. With a marshall, the 50 watt may give you a sweeter sound. The 100 watt will give you a bit more low end and more punch.
There is a mgl purple in the member classifieds that will blow a marshall out of the water. That is what I would get if I were you. Learn to use your guitar volume to manipulate your "clean" vs crunch
Smash
Hack
The thing is, if you start with a great amp, you dont have to spend thousands of dollars constantly searching and flipping. It is more expensive in the short term, but you save tons in the long run
rsm
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depends on what you want. I have a DSL40CR 1x12 combo, 40W and an Origin50C 1x12 50W, other than that all my heads are 100W, which I prefer, to drive the speakers into breakup for Marshall sounds I like. For my Mesa, / Diezel I like the speakers to stay clean and tighter, so I use 2x12 cabs with V30s.
With the SC20 your speakers will not breakup, they'll stay clean, and it sounds like that's what you want? Getting the distortion from the amp not the speakers.
rsm
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Search here for discussions on JCM 800 from @Racerxrated - may weigh-in on JCM 800 experiences and thoughts.
bigchungusstuckinmymouth
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i just want something that will sound good when recorded
rsm
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I still think the booteeks are a whole other rabbithole. once you find the Marshall amp / sound you like, then go look for the booteeks. So many JCM 800 clones out there, gets muddy fast IMO
rsm
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There are a few old discussions here on the SC20 which could be worth a look:
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/search/1578313/?q=Marshall+SC20&o=relevance
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/search/1578313/?q=Marshall+SC20&o=relevance
Smash
Hack
This is the purple circuit.
I personally like the red circuit much better, but I have a feeling I play a lot different style than you.
This is me playing my "stadium amp" at 112 dbs on a phone recording. It cliped the mic on the phone, but It is metal
for reference this is the same amp played by more of a rock guy
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Racerxrated
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Uh, wat?
An 'MGL that will blow a Marshall out of the water'....maybe some, like a DSL/TSL/900/etc but a good 2203, be it an 800 vert input or a JMP, or going back further to a vintage Superlead 68-73 I would predict a big negative ghost rider.
Don't know how many vintage stock or modded Marshalls you've actually played, but it's pretty damn hard to top a healthy vintage Marshall boosted or modded. I haven't played an MGL, but I have owned some Wizards and not much out there pushes/thumps like a 100w Wiz...except an old Superlead.
I've heard the MGLs are good. But, if you're after a Marshall sound, get a Marshall. I had a Nick modded 69 SL, and another had a Nick modded clone at the amp fest in Chi a couple yrs ago. The clone was cool and killer in its own right...until we compared mine which had OG transformers vs the clone which had the really good Merren clones....the difference was HUGE. The OG made the clone sound flat in comparison.
I'd give you the benefit of the doubt on MGLs vs 'some' Marshalls, but all?
Nah, no chance. Unless he's stocking his amps with real deal 60s/70s transformers. Those just can't be replicated.
Smash
Hack
I understand what you are saying. The things is, the marshall is a classic for a reason. It is the base for almost every amp that I care about. There are a million mods, and I have played a lot of them. I have disliked a lot of them.
I think that you should try an MGL if you get a chance. If you are ever around the Austin area, I would love to have you over. We play different styles, but the MGL can do more rock stuff also. It may not be your cup of tea. But it is different from modded Marshalls I have ever played. I loved wizards, but vastly prefer the Mgl to them.
I think the magic about this one is the fact that it has only three preamp tubes. Everyone that mods marshalls goes with so many gain stages that I feel like you lose clarity. You also cascade microphonics...It is kind of disgusting most of the time. This one is very clear and open. It doesn't have the punch of a wizard, but it doesn't lack in that department.
Mark at MGL loves marshalls and so his purple circuit is a take on the jcm. It has a lot of nos parts and custom transformers to pay homage to the classic while improving the sound imho. If we are comparing apples to apples, which would be buying new amps, I say blow out of the water. If you are wanting to introduce an old amp into the equation, I would love to try one next to it. I would enjoy playing an old JMP or JCM for sure.
7704A
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You'll still be able to get a good sound from the small amp. It won't feel the same in the room when you crank it, and it may not sound exactly the same on the recording, but it'll still sound good. I have both an '82 4104 (converted to 2204 spec) and a DSL1HR. I prefer the 2204, but the DSL1 sounds way better than it has any right to at that wattage and price point. If you haven't already seen it, Huge Elevator has a video comparing the SC20H to a 2203:
Edit: @Bxlxaxkxe has an even better comparison video here, with a 2204.
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Smash
Hack
I know this is more my frustration spoken out loud than a shared opinion, and I really am not trying to shit on anyone's amp, but the whole thing is so fucking gimmicky. They call it a "studio" like you record an amp at talking volumes. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but it is sickening. The amp breathes and the magic happens. It doesn't happen when small glass wheezes. The exception is the class A small glass where you are really cooking an amp. But using small glass for high gain is disgusting.
Another recommendation I have if you play low gain is getting a little Class A combo. One that I have had my eye on for awhile is the Maz 18
Another recommendation I have if you play low gain is getting a little Class A combo. One that I have had my eye on for awhile is the Maz 18
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