I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[dstroud]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

Ok I'll bite...because I think an everyday SM57 on a speaker into a cheap preamp with basically no post processing done can sound pretty nice. Could these be polished up...yes. But I've heard worse tone from major money big production releases.

Marshall Super Lead...(double tracked and panned hard left right)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=475550&songID=3419892

Carvin Legacy...(just a hair of reverb added...sorry)
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=475550&songID=3419974

Peters Polaris...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=475550&songID=9420939

Your clips sound good, but they don't meet the criteria. One is double tracked mixed with drums, etc, Two is also mixed with drums and reverb, Three sounds like some reverb to me

Yes they all sounded decent, liked the first one best and it was double tracked. Post one of the raw single tracks, no drums and no verb..just guitar. That's what I'm saying.

Yes a 57 in front of a speaker can sound decent in a mix if it's done right...but a raw track all on it's own, naked ain't pretty. Otherwise we wouldn't double track and add verb, EQ (or take away or block), compression, etc.

Now lets make sure that I'm clear for everyone on these 3 clips. Really liked the first one, liked the second, 3rd would probably sound great in a mix on it's own it was ok, it sure sounds like this one had reverb or at least alot of the room in the mix as well.

Great clips but certainly not raw dry clips.

Mark

oh man, I'll give this a shot - I might fail miserably but I thought I had some decent sounding raw tracks on my last cd. Does it have to be a 57 or can it be a Heil PR20? I think the Heil has a nicer sound - but I have clips of both. I like hearing dry clips - because you know from there it can only get better . BTW - I thought all the clips you posted of the CCV sounded good

 

[Chubtone]

Your clips sound good, but they don't meet the criteria. Mark

We have achieved our goal. The Canadians are fighting with each other. The takeover will only take 20 minutes now

 

[shreder75]

k..I'll bite...SM 57, presonus mic pre (a king's ransom I paid for it...$50 american), sound card..no delay, no EQ, no nothing..about 9:00 on the master..no boost..granted I know nothing about mic placement..and I can't remember if this was the governor or man o war miced up...doesn't matter cause I don't have them anymore anyway =)

 

[Chubtone]

k..I'll bite...SM 57, presonus mic pre (a king's ransom I paid for it...$50 american), sound card..no delay, no EQ, no nothing..about 9:00 on the master..no boost..granted I know nothing about mic placement..and I can't remember if this was the governor or man o war miced up...doesn't matter cause I don't have them anymore anyway =)

Sounds good Matt, but what was the rush on "Miracle Man"? Did you have a turd caught sideways?

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I'll play along.

Around 2006, me doodling around with my Uberschall amp. Tired and hung-over playing with plenty of clams , making up shit as I went along, just trying to get great tones. Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/EMG 81/85 pups, Uberschall w/AnalogMan Bi-Chorus on clean intro. ADA 128i in loop for just a little slap back. Straight into amp on hi-gain, only exception being my Bad Horsie II wah. No amp settings changed between rhythm and leads. Mic straight into by Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card on my old PC. No pre or post anything. Settings and set up in pics.

As stated, this was not done for the purpose of a final product, only to see what I could get recorded in a low budget, simple way.

https://www.soundclick.com/player/single ... 35917&q=hi

 

[oldmanmetal]

Your clips sound good, but they don't meet the criteria. Mark

We have achieved our goal. The Canadians are fighting with each other. The takeover will only take 20 minutes now

Oh yaaah ehhhh???

 

[Mark Day]

Sorry guys. If it has "just" a little this or "just" a little that then it still isn't a raw dry clip.

It's like saying "Well, I only kinda f*@ked her."

They are all "good" and would most likely sound great in a mix with some post and/or if double tracked. However on their own they sound like a mic in front of a speaker and just like all close mic recordings they sound well kinda dry and fuzzy, to me anyway. No offence guys. This is not your fault, it's just the way raw, dry tracks sound to me. Some folks may really dig that sound but I am amongst those that like to hear some production. If the tracks were in a mix, then different story but all on their own, well it is what it is to me anyway and again no offence

Mark

 

[jharpersj]

Here are some Carol Ann Triptik prototype clips, first clips on the page, these are 1 track, all dry except clip 3/4 which have a touch of delay so don't count those ;>, Les Paul-sm57-Marshall 4-12 cel 75 or a bog 1-12 cel 80 straight into protools no processing.

http://www.carolannamps.com/sounds.htm

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Sorry guys. If it has "just" a little this or "just" a little that then it still isn't a raw dry clip.

It's like saying "Well, I only kinda f*@ked her."

They are all "good" and would most likely sound great in a mix with some post and/or if double tracked. However on their own they sound like a mic in front of a speaker and just like all close mic recordings they sound well kinda dry and fuzzy, to me anyway. No offence guys. This is not your fault, it's just the way raw, dry tracks sound to me. Some folks may really dig that sound but I am amongst those that like to hear some production. If the tracks were in a mix, then different story but all on their own, well it is what it is to me anyway and again no offence

Mark

And just when I was about to start yelling "Mark Day for President!!" Sorry, no vote for you now.

 

[Mark Day]

And just when I was about to start yelling "Mark Day for President!!" Sorry, no vote for you now.

Ok, your clip. Cleans could be used on their own without too much, good solid tone. The hi-gain sounds like a close miked hi gain amp...just like it is supposed to. I would have to do some post and mixing to get it the way I personally liked it. By itself it sounds like a hi-gain amp being close miked with a 57 and I just don't like they way that sounds, from anyone, any amp. Give it some verb, double track, block some highs to tame the fizz (maybe different mic placement), hi pass filter so it won't interfere with the kick and bass.

Can I still be President? I can fix health care I'm Canadian dammit. I will even teach Americans that Canadian bacon is something you guys made up. What you call Canadian bacon is that back bacon ham shit, that's not bacon!!!!! Bacon is bacon
Why would you do that to us? We don't call eel, American Lobster

BTW I know your rig would sound good in a mix. If I stick a 57 in front of my OD100 I hate it too, but like your rig it has potential with proper mic placement, mixing and processing. Just like every great guitar sound we all love...there was more to it than a 57 stuck in front of a speaker...lol.

Mark

 

[ejecta]

k..I'll bite...SM 57, presonus mic pre (a king's ransom I paid for it...$50 american), sound card..no delay, no EQ, no nothing..about 9:00 on the master..no boost..granted I know nothing about mic placement..and I can't remember if this was the governor or man o war miced up...doesn't matter cause I don't have them anymore anyway =)

Sounded really good! I agree... close mic'd amps can sound really good on their own or at least IMHO better than what was posted dry form this amp.

 

[glip22]

And just when I was about to start yelling "Mark Day for President!!" Sorry, no vote for you now.

Ok, your clip. Cleans could be used on their own without too much, good solid tone. The hi-gain sounds like a close miked hi gain amp...just like it is supposed to. I would have to do some post and mixing to get it the way I personally liked it. By itself it sounds like a hi-gain amp being close miked with a 57 and I just don't like they way that sounds, from anyone, any amp. Give it some verb, double track, block some highs to tame the fizz (maybe different mic placement), hi pass filter so it won't interfere with the kick and bass.

Can I still be President? I can fix health care I'm Canadian dammit. I will even teach Americans that Canadian bacon is something you guys made up. What you call Canadian bacon is that back bacon ham shit, that's not bacon!!!!! Bacon is bacon
Why would you do that to us? We don't call eel, American Lobster

BTW I know your rig would sound good in a mix. If I stick a 57 in front of my OD100 I hate it too, but like your rig it has potential with proper mic placement, mixing and processing. Just like every great guitar sound we all love...there was more to it than a 57 stuck in front of a speaker...lol.

Mark

This thread has helped us to get to know the real you

 

[rupe]

It's like saying "Well, I only kinda f*@ked her."

I was so hammered one night back when I was 19 that I hooked up with a chick and ended up "doing" her between her ass crack and the bed...how else would describe that scenario?

 

[Mark Day]

It's like saying "Well, I only kinda f*@ked her."

I was so hammered one night back when I was 19 that I hooked up with a chick and ended up "doing" her between her ass crack and the bed...how else would describe that scenario?

That is classic "Total Guidance Systems Fail"
Not I only kinda f*@ked her.

The only time you can legally use the "I only kinda f*@ked her" scenario is when you are at a drunken party and you slip into a bedroom with your friend's girl and you just get the tip in when buddy walks in on the two of you.
Your response to him is "Dude, I only kinda f*@ked her"

Mark

 

[ejecta]

It's like saying "Well, I only kinda f*@ked her."

I was so hammered one night back when I was 19 that I hooked up with a chick and ended up "doing" her between her ass crack and the bed...how else would describe that scenario?

If you could have only made her more "wet". As we all know wetter is better.

 

[oldmanmetal]

Here are some Carol Ann Triptik prototype clips, first clips on the page, these are 1 track, all dry except clip 3/4 which have a touch of delay so don't count those ;>, Les Paul-sm57-Marshall 4-12 cel 75 or a bog 1-12 cel 80 straight into protools no processing.

http://www.carolannamps.com/sounds.htm

Dumble with a little edge. Very Dumbly, except the last clip......

 

[mentoneman]

the mic'ed clips i make are closed mic'ed, and basically i try not to clip the recording, import to garage band, export to itunes mp3, then i maybe add a limiter to it to try and get it as loud as possible through the video editing software where video and audio are merged.

i personally don't have any cool post software but i'd love a waves, ua, etc bundle eventually, and maybe an apogee duet, or the presonus or m-audio 4 xlr input interfaces for live drum recordings with my son.

anybody know of any free eq/limiting/mastering software that works well in garage band?

 

[Mark Day]

If I stick a 57 in front of my OD100 I hate it too, but like your rig it has potential with proper mic placement, mixing and processing. Just like every great guitar sound we all love...there was more to it than a 57 stuck in front of a speaker...lol.

Mark

Honestly and this is for the CCV as well the Axe 2 why settle for less when trying to put put an amps or modeller's potential and best foot forward? I don't understand why you would put up a clip up that you knew was sub par? That's like me as an animator putting my weakest work on my demo real to show to Pixar.

That said mic'ing amps is fucking hard as hell. That's why I have an AxeFX because it gives my a much more consistent tone that is so close that it's good enough to make up the difference of inconstancy.

And before you guys seeing this as attacking Mark or Brad.... get your gear off your shoulders.

Once again, I put it up against my better judgement because that's what people wanted. It is still up, it's not like a I pulled it off and made it disappear. I'd like to, but it's still there. There was pressure to get it up quickly and make it raw as possible.
I was jet lagged and working all day after no sleep. Bad judgement on my part, simple as that. I never said I was perfect lol.

Mark

 

[jharpersj]

I am very sure you are the only one who thinks those clips sound dumble-e, and I am also very sure your nickname suits you perfectly

Here are some Carol Ann Triptik prototype clips, first clips on the page, these are 1 track, all dry except clip 3/4 which have a touch of delay so don't count those ;>, Les Paul-sm57-Marshall 4-12 cel 75 or a bog 1-12 cel 80 straight into protools no processing.

http://www.carolannamps.com/sounds.htm

Dumble with a little edge. Very Dumbly, except the last clip......

 

[Digital Jams]

The CCV or Mark have nothing to really prove anyways, people know what the amps sounds like and lots know the feel. Mark was being nice and tried to stop the "where's the clips" drama and well look where that got him.

Here is my 10 minute double tracked total dry using an EMU 1820 and sm57 into Cubase 4, Greg and I worked 10 minutes on mic placement and hit record twice.

Yeah double tracked, I just wanted to join the fun