I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[Badronald]

Hmmmm...I always prefer the raw track mixes of my demo's before somebody starts messing with them. A great guitar into a great amp out of a great speaker into a good mic direct to Pro Tools or Logic. Sounds great to me. Double track that thing up. These days I print effects pre. Done with idiots messing up my tracks with over processing.

Granted, I've never had anything mixed up by a top notch engineer. I know what they can do. I've heard TERRIBLE raw tracks made to sound great by a great engineer.

I recorded a cool tune recently. Had KILLER tone. Got the mixes back and everything sounds weak. Wish I could get things mixed well. I need to find somebody.

 

[Atropos_Project]

Normalizing would qualify to me.

How? It's an overall level modification that doesn't alter the sonics at all (unlike compression or limiting) unless I suppose you were to purposefully use it to induce clipping... which I really doubt you'd want to do in the first place.

 

[Mark Day]

Badronald, double tracking something is not a raw dry clip, it is double tracked. Double tracking is a really cool way to make things bigger and fatter. If things were perfect sounding with one raw track without post then we wouldn't double them, right? I understand that reverb, delay, etc on a track is not for everyone. However, if the raw product was so great then we wouldn't have double tracking and reamping and sample delays, etc, etc.



Mark

 

[Atropos_Project]

Normalizing occurs AFTER the recording process therefore it is POST PROCESSING.

*dislike button*

 

[Anonymous]

Normalizing would qualify to me.

How? It's an overall level modification that doesn't alter the sonics at all (unlike compression or limiting) unless I suppose you were to purposefully use it to induce clipping... which I really doubt you'd want to do in the first place.

Normalizing will change the dynamics of what you played, which changes the sound. How is that NOT post processing...

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

Normalizing would qualify to me.

How? It's an overall level modification .

and it's POST by definition.

Anything done after the recording is POST.

BTW I total understand that things need to be normalized, it's part of the process but it is POST.
If you don't normalize then the levels aren't there and it will sound weak.

Mark

 

[Mark Day]

Normalizing occurs AFTER the recording process therefore it is POST PROCESSING.

*dislike button*

Please look up the definition of POST



Mark

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I guess you guys & girls don't get over into the Off-Topic part of this forum too often do ya? If you did, you'd know it's just the "Rogue" effect. We're used to it over there.

It's really a shame that a Mark Day thread turned into this.

 

[Badronald]

Badronald, double tracking something is not a raw dry clip, it is double tracked. Double tracking is a really cool way to make things bigger and fatter. If things were perfect sounding with one raw track without post then we wouldn't double them, right? I understand that reverb, delay, etc on a track is not for everyone. However, if the raw product was so great then we wouldn't have double tracking and reamping and sample delays, etc, etc.



Mark

I hear you. I'm really just thinking out loud.

Having said all we just said, my favorite rock guitar tone of all time is just raw, single tracked Malcom Young. The early stuff.

Many times I prefer single tracked guitar tracks.

Yeah, I know, there's a magic there that in unquantifiable.

 

[Mark Day]

I guess you guys & girls don't get over into the Off-Topic part of this forum too often do ya? If you did, you'd know it's just the "Rogue" effect. We're used to it over there.

It's really a shame that a Mark Day thread turned into this.

I'm done with the nonsense part of this thread for sure...lol.

Mark

 

[Badronald]

It's really a shame that a Mark Day thread turned into this.

Agreed. There's no reason to argue. Can't we all just get along?

 

[Atropos_Project]

Normalizing will change the dynamics of what you played, which changes the sound.

I disagree. Do this test if you like...record a guitar track where your peaks are around -10db, and clone it so you have two. Now normalize one of them to about -5db. Play the normalized one back, then play back the original -10db one with your monitors turned up accordingly. You won't hear a difference.

Compression or limiting would indeed change the dynamics as you stated, as they both actually modify specific parts of the wave.

In any case, I'm waving the white flag, as I never thought the new Cameron sounded bad to begin with in this video, or the other one

 

[gibson5413]

man, I NEVER have any of these problems when I post a clip!
probably because I haven't posted one in years and in the off chance I do it goes largely ignored...hee heee!!!

but that's not important right now

You should post clips more often Matt. I remember your Quick Rod clips from about 6 years ago. Those were awesome. In fact, I remember your posts from the old days at the Institute of Noise (blast from the past).

you were on ION?!?!? (have we been though this before? It seems vaguely familiar actually..lol)

meh, I'm always thinking of new clips or vids but I really don't have a good recording setup...and I'm lazy...and nobody really seems to give two shits quite frankly..=)

I care...

I love clips!

Steve

For those that don't know...Matt is a killer player and started a huge Splawn awakening on HCAF about 6 years ago. Killer player that should post more often (hope you don't mind me posting this

 

[Rogue]

It's really a shame that a Mark Day thread turned into this.

It takes two to tango, or in this case, a half dozen or so.

 

[Anonymous]

Normalizing will change the dynamics of what you played, which changes the sound.

I disagree. Do this test if you like...record a guitar track where your peaks are around -10db, and clone it so you have two. Now normalize one of them to about -5db. Play the normalized one back, then play back the original -10db one with your monitors turned up accordingly. You won't hear a difference.

Compression or limiting would indeed change the dynamics as you stated, as they both actually modify specific parts of the wave.

In any case, I'm waving the white flag, as I never thought the new Cameron sounded bad to begin with in this video, or the other one

You were right and I was wrong. I was confusing the behavior of compression and normalization. See how easy that was, Rogue?

I still feel normalization changes the perception of sound to the listener though. Otherwise, why do it?

Steve

 

[Rogue]

Always remember (looking at you Rogue) - Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics...even if you win, your still retarded.

Does that mean those that are arguing with me are retarded as well? Or is arguing a one way street these days?

 

[Anonymous]

Always remember (looking at you Rogue) - Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics...even if you win, your still retarded.

Does that mean those that are arguing with me are retarded as well? Or is arguing a one way street these days?

I thought all people on Internet forums were retards, regardless of whether they are arguing or not?

Steve

 

[Atropos_Project]

I still feel normalization changes the perception of sound to the listener though. Otherwise, why do it?

I'm guessing it came about as a band-aid for recordings that might have been done at drastically low levels (for whatever reason), and the mixer wants to push the overall volume without having to resort to compression etc on that track.

And I'd agree with you that there is a sonic perception that something is "bigger" when louder, even if that technically isn't what happened.

/threadjack off

 

[Rogue]

I thought all people on Internet forums were retards, regardless of whether they are arguing or not?

Steve

Fair point. Post processing would probably make it a better point though.

 

[Rogue]

Im not going to argue with you about that.

Are you sure you're not?