I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[Digital Jams]

Fucking internet engineers and players

All they need is Google and boring tired same old wit and they are somebody.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Damn, alot more pressure on clips when you're trying to generate revenue from them indirectly or directly.

 

[Mark Day]

All I did was use the same tools I always use in my clips if I'm close miking, nothing out of the ordinary, just the usual practice. The thing that was out of the ordinary was me posting the clip raw like I did..my mistake, shouldn't have done it and I apologize. I was doing what I thought folks wanted

I appreciate the original more than the one with the post work done to it. Whatever you do in post is pretty awesome, but as we can see here, somewhat misleading to what the original clip sounded like. I'd rather hear the untouched clip myself, although the other clip is cool as a before/after kind of thing.

Post is not cheating, it's making it sound like it does in the room. Do this as an experiment. Get your rig sounding great in your room, then take the cab and put it at ear level then stick your ear against the speaker....tell me how you like the sound of your rig now...lol. That's what the mic hears...HORRIBLE!!!! That's why EVERYONE uses post processing or at least trick mic pre's or $1k ribbon mics or a combination of room and close miking. It's just the way it is We love the way our rigs sound in the room. The cabs are pointing at the back of our arse and we are not hearing a speaker up close.

Have you read any of the "post" and pre techniques Mike Wagener used to get his awesome guitar tones. Why did he do that? Because close miking a speaker by itself sounds like CRAP..lol.

Give me a good clip of any amp (including my own awesome OD100 or Egnater JCM) by recording by close miking with a SM57 into a Duet or any under $1000 mic pre without post of any kind. Doesn't exist
Just saying


Again we were asked to provide a raw clip using close miking....shouldn't have done it


Mark

 

[Mark Day]

Damn, alot more pressure on clips when you're trying to generate revenue from them indirectly or directly.

Sorry dude, I disagree. I feel somewhat of the same pressure posting any clip although this one had exceptional pressures..see below for explanation.
It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

The difference with this clip is that I wasn't in my own environment, I had to mic without testing mic placement, I had no means or time to monitor what we were recording. We did it in a busy store. Many pressures like real guitar heroes walking in. I'm not sure if you know how unnerving it can be to hear Dio's old band rehearsing outside and George Lynch walking in the store at any minute (which he did when I was demoing the AxeII)...lol Holy fuck talk about pressure. Add to that it had to be done quickly because we had an early flight to make. Have you ever tried playing in front of your personal guitar hero, let alone record a clip in front of him??...HOLY FUCK talk about pressure. I'm not that good to be doing that kind of shit..lol.

I know I shouldn't make excuses, however I was the one that recorded the clips and I can honestly tell you the pressure of generating revenue had nothing to do with the overwhelming pressure I felt doing this...not even one tiny bit. Not even a thought in my mind.




Mark

 

[Shiny_Surface]

[It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

I remember the old days of forums where it was just players hanging out, you didn't have to deal with any of this shit.

Back then it was just communities/hanging out, alot less pressure.

 

[jcj]

Damn, alot more pressure on clips when you're trying to generate revenue from them indirectly or directly.

Sorry dude, I disagree. I feel somewhat of the same pressure posting any clip although this one had exceptional pressures..see below for explanation.
It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

The difference with this clip is that I wasn't in my own environment, I had to mic without testing mic placement, I had no means or time to monitor what we were recording. We did it in a busy store. Many pressures like real guitar heroes walking in. I'm not sure if you know how unnerving it can be to hear Dio's old band rehearsing outside and George Lynch walking in the store at any minute (which he did when I was demoing the AxeII)...lol Holy fuck talk about pressure. Add to that it had to be done quickly because we had an early flight to make. Have you ever tried playing in front of your personal guitar hero, let alone record a clip in front of him??...HOLY FUCK talk about pressure. I'm not that good to be doing that kind of shit..lol.

I know I shouldn't make excuses, however I was the one that recorded the clips and I can honestly tell you the pressure of generating revenue had nothing to do with the overwhelming pressure I felt doing this...not even one tiny bit. Not even a thought in my mind.




Mark

There was no winning, no matter WHAT you posted; I don't give a shit what anyone says.

 

[Anonymous]

That said, I find it innately humorous a clip was recorded and in order to "make it better" it had to have some post work done to it. I'd find that humorous form anybody with any amp, but even more so with the much anticipated CCV. I mean, come on, it's funny.

You find it funny that people add room ambience, EQ and mastering tools to close mic'd guitar tracks? Are you f'n kiddin' me? Every professionally recorded guitar track you've ever heard was mixed that way. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense at all...

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

[It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

I remember the old days of forums where it was just players hanging out, you didn't have to deal with any of this shit.

Back then it was just communities/hanging out, alot less pressure.

You know, I think I am a very lucky, fortunate guy. I have met so many good people on the weeb and have been given so many awesome opportunites. There are so many good people on the forums. Brad is good people. I know one of his main focuses is to get amps for the guys who lost their money. He doesn't have to do that. He is genuine. He can't drive but he is good people. This is the best forum on the web by far for guitarists and I'm glad he is at the helm.

I have met people I never thought I would because of this YT stuff. Over on HRI the other day, Steve Stevens post a very kind, complimentary comment on my AxeFx II clip..WOW! What a nice guy! Things like that make it very worthwhile. The guys that post rude, personal attacks are rare. It's too bad that garbage exists at all, but it does and I have to just let it roll off

Mark

 

[Mark Day]

No offense to Mark Day at all because his parts in this demo sounded cool, but hearing Mark Cameron play this amp really is

I like how in this clip Mark C is playing with more of a vintage, heavy rock vibe. The way he attacks the guitar and the way the amp responds to the way he plays it is really fun to listen to. He is a very cool player in my opinion and in his case, that vibe IS in his hands. Most people don't play with that much of their hands attacking the guitar to produce that sound, if that makes sense.

Also, Mark Cameron on a Suhr? You should have let him use one of his own guitars. His guitars are so freaking JUNKY yet sound so FANTASTIC that someone who saw him playing one of those and getting that tone would think "if he can do that with THAT guitar, i will be just fine with whatever I have".

Cool video!~

Agreed about Mark C's attack, he plays with a heavier feel than MD and that brings different characteristics into the tone. More on the edge.

Mark C is an incredible player!!!! I just sit there in awe when he plays, so fast, tasty and effortless.
He designed this amp for his playing and it showcases his phenomenal skills as a player. No way could I do it the justice he can He smokes!!!

Mark

 

[tweed]

Damn, alot more pressure on clips when you're trying to generate revenue from them indirectly or directly.

Sorry dude, I disagree. I feel somewhat of the same pressure posting any clip although this one had exceptional pressures..see below for explanation.
It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

The difference with this clip is that I wasn't in my own environment, I had to mic without testing mic placement, I had no means or time to monitor what we were recording. We did it in a busy store. Many pressures like real guitar heroes walking in. I'm not sure if you know how unnerving it can be to hear Dio's old band rehearsing outside and George Lynch walking in the store at any minute (which he did when I was demoing the AxeII)...lol Holy fuck talk about pressure. Add to that it had to be done quickly because we had an early flight to make. Have you ever tried playing in front of your personal guitar hero, let alone record a clip in front of him??...HOLY FUCK talk about pressure. I'm not that good to be doing that kind of shit..lol.

I know I shouldn't make excuses, however I was the one that recorded the clips and I can honestly tell you the pressure of generating revenue had nothing to do with the overwhelming pressure I felt doing this...not even one tiny bit. Not even a thought in my mind.




Mark

Lynch walked in? Did you tell him how much his tone sucks and how much better it would be with a Cameron Backline onstage?

 

[Mark Day]

Lynch walked in? Did you tell him how much his tone sucks and how much better it would be with a Cameron Backline onstage?

I was demoing the Axe II at the time. He seemed like a nice guy and funny too. I wasn't even thinking about mentioning the phaser to him..lol. He looks like he could punch me most effectively.

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

All I did was use the same tools I always use in my clips if I'm close miking, nothing out of the ordinary, just the usual practice. The thing that was out of the ordinary was me posting the clip raw like I did..my mistake, shouldn't have done it and I apologize. I was doing what I thought folks wanted

I appreciate the original more than the one with the post work done to it. Whatever you do in post is pretty awesome, but as we can see here, somewhat misleading to what the original clip sounded like. I'd rather hear the untouched clip myself, although the other clip is cool as a before/after kind of thing.

Post is not cheating, it's making it sound like it does in the room. Do this as an experiment. Get your rig sounding great in your room, then take the cab and put it at ear level then stick your ear against the speaker....tell me how you like the sound of your rig now...lol. That's what the mic hears...HORRIBLE!!!! That's why EVERYONE uses post processing or at least trick mic pre's or $1k ribbon mics or a combination of room and close miking. It's just the way it is We love the way our rigs sound in the room. The cabs are pointing at the back of our arse and we are not hearing a speaker up close.

Have you read any of the "post" and pre techniques Mike Wagener used to get his awesome guitar tones. Why did he do that? Because close miking a speaker by itself sounds like CRAP..lol.

Give me a good clip of any amp (including my own awesome OD100 or Egnater JCM) by recording by close miking with a SM57 into a Duet or any under $1000 mic pre without post of any kind. Doesn't exist
Just saying


Again we were asked to provide a raw clip using close miking....shouldn't have done it


Mark

While I don't think close mic'd clips sound horrible (they sound pretty cool if you are used to listening to them), I agree 100% with the gist of this. Every professionally recorded guitar tone we've ever heard is ambienced, EQ'd and mastered to make it sound like the tones we chase and love. It is not cheating or "studio magic" or anything else. Doesn't matter though - no matter what you do people will complain. The truth is most people don't even really know what they want to hear. I love when people bitch that a dry, close-mic'd clip with no processing sounds like shit - well DUH - every guitar tone you've been conditioned to like has post. No clip is ever going to really sound like the amp in a room anyway, but a close-mic'd clip with post can sound better, worse, close or just different. Now some dude buys the amp based on a produced clip and expects the amp to sound exactly like the produced clip and cries when the amp doesn't sound like that in his spare bedroom. Just nuts. All clips can do is give you a vague idea of the amp. You have to play it yourself, with your own guitars, effects and touch to determine whether you like it. Can't play the CCV before you buy it? Then you have to take a chance based on a vague idea of the character of the amp based on whatever clips are available. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. If you aren't willing to take that chance on an amp that isn't available in every GC nationwide, then don't buy one. At least in the case of the CCV, you'll have 20 people willing to buy it in a minute...

And compressed camcorder clips are completely worthless and misleading to me - every high gain amp sounds about the same through a compressed camcorder.

Hey Mark - maybe you should play really shitty in your clips too since most people here can't play as well as you do. That way, they'd know more what it will sound like in the room with THEM playing...

FWIW, I think both of the clips (post added and not) sound really good and the amp sounds exactly like what I'd expect to hear from a CCV based on my owning one and living with the amp for months. I might dial it in differently for myself, but the base tone of that amp is there. You and Mark C represented it well in your own ways. You just can't win no matter what you do and that is a fact.

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

While I don't think close mic'd clips sound horrible (they sound pretty cool if you are used to listening to them), I agree 100% with the gist of this. Every professionally recorded guitar tone we've ever heard is ambienced, EQ'd and mastered to make it sound like the tones we chase and love. It is not cheating or "studio magic" or anything else. Doesn't matter though - no matter what you do people will complain. The truth is most people don't even really know what they want to hear. I love when people bitch that a dry, close-mic'd clip with no processing sounds like shit - well DUH - every guitar tone you've been conditioned to like has post. No clip is ever going to really sound like the amp in a room anyway, but a close-mic'd clip with post can sound better, worse, close or just different. Now some dude buys the amp based on a produced clip and expects the amp to sound exactly like the produced clip and cries when the amp doesn't sound like that in his spare bedroom. Just nuts. All clips can do is give you a vague idea of the amp. You have to play it yourself, with your own guitars, effects and touch to determine whether you like it. Can't play the CCV before you buy it? Then you have to take a chance based on a vague idea of the character of the amp based on whatever clips are available. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't. If you aren't willing to take that chance on an amp that isn't available in every GC nationwide, then don't buy one. At least in the case of the CCV, you'll have 20 people willing to buy it in a minute...

And compressed camcorder clips are completely worthless and misleading to me - every high gain amp sounds about the same through a compressed camcorder.

Hey Mark - maybe you should play really shitty in your clips too since most people here can't play as well as you do. That way, they'd no more what it will sound like in the room with THEM playing...

FWIW, I think both of the clips (post added and not) sound really good and the amp sounds exactly like what I'd expect to hear from a CCV based on my owning one and living with the amp for months. I might dial it in differently for myself, but the base tone of that amp is there. You and Mark C represented it well in your own ways. You just can't win no matter what you do and that is a fact.

Steve

Thanks Steve, I really appreciate this post!! Thank you

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

I feel somewhat of the same pressure posting any clip although this one had exceptional pressures..see below for explanation.
It's difficult to stick yourself out in YT land. There are many nice people out there but there are also a few assholes. Unfortunately the assholes stick out like a sore thumb and sometimes it makes you think WTF do I do this for...lol. So the pressure is always to do a good job and give the assholes less to talk about.

Dude - why do you even give a shit? You were doing something you love to do and when you were done with it, you were pleased with it. That is all that matters. Someone will always dislike what you do and as long as you liked it, who gives a crap?

Also - every clip you post here (and elsewhere) is practically worshipped. The vast majority of the feedback is very, very complimentary. You've gotta feel good about your tone and playing with so much positive feedback.

I understand about George walking in, of course...

Steve

 

[Rogue]

Wow. The butthurt surrounding the CCV has reached the level of butthurt surrounding the AxeFX.

Jesus people, the original sounded ok, not great, IMO. If you liked it more than I did, great. Awesome. If you don't like some other clip that I like, that's awesome too. It's also life.

I just commented on a clip on the internet, I didn't slap anyone's girlfriend. Get over it.

 

[Digital Jams]

For the record not liking dry clips does not equate to me thinking it sounds like shit, just do not like dry tones due to my listening habits. I get inspired to play with that big swell and decaying delay. Cameron's playing is made for sauce, who wants to listen to those lines dry?


The "can't hear the amp" crap is funny, if you cannot hear the voicing from that remixed clip well maybe you should stop being so picky because well your ears are not really tuned into anything other than basic guitar tone.

Steve is right about album tone references, guys chase people's tone that has been through post mastering, multiple tracks, big dollar vst plug ins or rack units but have to hear the amp dry with basic 1,4,5 progression chords. Please

I can volunteer for the half assed playing demos so some guys can really hear what they will sound like

 

[Digital Jams]

Wow. The butthurt surrounding the CCV has reached the level of butthurt surrounding the AxeFX.

Jesus people, the original sounded ok, not great, IMO. If you liked it more than I did, great. Awesome. If you don't like some other clip that I like, that's awesome too. It's also life.

I just commented on a clip on the internet, I didn't slap anyone's girlfriend. Get over it.

Show us how it is done and I will get over it

 

[Mark Day]

Dude - why do you even give a shit? You were doing something you love to do and when you were done with it, you were pleased with it. That is all that matters. Someone will always dislike what you do and as long as you liked it, who gives a crap?

Also - every clip you post here (and elsewhere) is practically worshipped. The vast majority of the feedback is very, very complimentary. You've gotta feel good about your tone and playing with so much positive feedback.

I understand about George walking in, of course...

Steve

I guess what was irritating this time was that the first clip I posted was what everyone said they wanted (I knew better..lol), when they got apples they wanted pie. I never post dry clips.

I agree I shouldn't let it bother me. You're right I am very lucky to get the responses I do and man do I ever appreciate them!!! I understand that not everyone can like them and I do get my share of nasties out there. I take constructive critisism very well especially when the person has the goods to back it up. I have no patience for rude, personal attacks towards anyone not just me and thankfully that doesn't happen much.

I really do feel like I am one of the luckiest guys on the planet, especially just turning 50..wow. I have more music in my life now than when I was in my hungry 20's. One lucky dude.

Thanks again Steve, I appreciate it very much!

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

Wow. The butthurt surrounding the CCV has reached the level of butthurt surrounding the AxeFX.

Jesus people, the original sounded ok, not great, IMO. If you liked it more than I did, great. Awesome. If you don't like some other clip that I like, that's awesome too. It's also life.

I just commented on a clip on the internet, I didn't slap anyone's girlfriend. Get over it.

It sure is easy to sum it up that way, isn't it?

You did more than you are saying. For example, you said it was silly/funny to you that people needed to add post to make a close-mic'd amp sound "good". What that shows me is that you really don't understand anything about recording.

You can like a clip, or not, I don't care either way, but to say things that make absolutely no sense about how guitars are recorded shows what you really know.

Care to comment about that? I didn't think so...

Steve

 

[Rogue]

Show us how it is done and I will get over it

Ah, I see, so unless you've ever done it before, you can't have an opinion on what it sounds like? You know who that sounds like? AxeFX zealots.