I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[Gainzilla]

Wow. The butthurt surrounding the CCV has reached the level of butthurt surrounding the AxeFX.

Jesus people, the original sounded ok, not great, IMO. If you liked it more than I did, great. Awesome. If you don't like some other clip that I like, that's awesome too. It's also life.

I just commented on a clip on the internet, I didn't slap anyone's girlfriend. Get over it.

It sure is easy to sum it up that way, isn't it?

You did more than you are saying. For example, you said it was silly/funny to you that people needed to add post to make a close-mic'd amp sound "good". What that shows me is that you really don't understand anything about recording.

You can like a clip, or not, I don't care either way, but to say things that make absolutely no sense about how guitars are recorded shows what you really know.

Care to comment about that? I didn't think so...

Steve

Perhaps hes challenging the way people think?

FWIW, I dug it, Wet or dry sounded great but my personal preferences always call for a little sauce...

 

[Anonymous]

Show us how it is done and I will get over it

Ah, I see, so unless you've ever done it before, you can't have an opinion on what it sounds like? You know who that sounds like? AxeFX zealots.

Sure. You can have an opinion. You just can't have an opinion on the process used to record the clip...

Steve

 

[Rogue]

It sure is easy to sum it up that way, isn't it?

You did more than you are saying. For example, you said it was silly/funny to you that people needed to add post to make a close-mic'd amp sound "good". What that shows me is that you really don't understand anything about recording.

It is funny.

So for the record, are you saying a close miced speaker has never sounded good without post work done on it?

You can like a clip, or not, I don't care either way, but to say things that make absolutely no sense about how guitars are recorded shows what you really know.

Care to comment about that? I didn't think so...

What have I said that makes no sense?

 

[Rogue]

Sure. You can have an opinion. You just can't have an opinion on the process used to record the clip...

Steve

My opinion was that the original clip was a bit of let down. I'm not the only one with that opinion. It was then decided to "make it better" by doctoring it post. I didn't make that decision, but I did find it humorous.

I have made no comment regarding recording methods, only how it sounds and that, apparently, it needs post to sound good close miced, which 95% of the people thus far agree with yet I'm catching flack for it.

 

[steve_k]

Guys...don't shoot Mark the messenger! Mark - you are doing a fine job.

The revised clip to me is more of what I remember the original CCV's sounding like. But, only a clean, crunch and mild gain tone was provided. There are several more gain styles to be selected on the gain channel and a lot of fine tuning one can do to make it go from mild to wild in a hurry. The surface hasn't even been scratched yet.

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

Sure. You can have an opinion. You just can't have an opinion on the process used to record the clip...

Steve

My opinion was that the original clip was a bit of let down. I'm not the only one with that opinion. It was then decided to "make it better" by doctoring it post. I didn't make that decision, but I did find it humorous.

I have made no comment regarding recording methods.

What some of us are saying is that post on a dry close mic clip is NOT doctoring it is the norm. Apple pie is not apple pie unless it has cinnamin, no?

I did ask for you to present me with a dry close mic clip that sounds great, not just from you just anyone

I still want a hug and we will still grab a beer

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

[So for the record, are you saying a close miced speaker has never sounded good without post work done on it?

You're reading comprehension is poor. Did you read my post? I like listening to close-mic'd guitar sounds because I listen to them all the time when I record and I don't expect it to sound like the amp in the room or a produced clip. Most people who do not do a lot of recording will think they sound like shit

A close mic'd speaker will never sound like the amp in the room. Every recorded guitar tone you've ever loved has been ambienced, EQ'd, mastered, etc. to either make it sound close, better or different than the amp sounded in the room. No recorded guitar tone you've ever loved was just a close mic'd speaker with no post.

You said that it was funny that people needed to add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good". That makes it clear you do not understand anything about recording guitars. It makes no sense, since that is what EVERy producer does...

What have I said that makes no sense?

Have I cleared it up for you now? I thought so.

Steve

 

[jcj]

Sure. You can have an opinion. You just can't have an opinion on the process used to record the clip...

Steve

My opinion was that the original clip was a bit of let down. I'm not the only one with that opinion. It was then decided to "make it better" by doctoring it post. I didn't make that decision, but I did find it humorous.

I have made no comment regarding recording methods, only how it sounds and that, apparently, it needs post to sound good close miced, which 95% of the people thus far agree with yet I'm catching flack for it.

Genuine question here, in all honesty; what type of gear do you like/play?

I'm aware that you don't like anything Cameron or Axe Fx, and that's cool, but I'd honestly like some perspective.

What do you dig?

 

[duesentrieb]

This all reminds me when guys posted *** clips some years ago. No matter how they were made, something was always wrong - LOL.

Mark did an awesome job IMO.

And (now) I can imagine very well how the amp sounds if I were right in front of it.

Thanks Mark.

 

[Rogue]

What some of us are saying is that post on a dry close mic clip is NOT doctoring it is the norm. Apple pie is not apple pie unless it has cinnamin, no?

I never said people don't "norm" a closed miced speaker. I know what a close miced speaker sounds like. It's not easy to mic a speaker which I have said numerously. However, that doesn't mean all close miced clips sound bad. As I've said, some sound better than others. I don't know why this is found to be such a controversial point....then again, I never understood why AxeFX folks get so offended over someone now liking the way the AxeFX sounds.

I did ask for you to present me with a dry close mic clip that sounds great, not just from you just anyone

Well, it isn't something I keep a list of. Do you keep a list of close miced clips you didn't like? I know I have heard some that sounded nice.

I still want a hug and we will still grab a beer

Mark

I'll drink a beer with you and I'll give you hug, but in manly way.

 

[Anonymous]

It was then decided to "make it better" by doctoring it post. I didn't make that decision, but I did find it humorous.

You find it humorous because you are ignorant of recording/mixing technique. It's ok, I forgive you...

I have made no comment regarding recording methods, only how it sounds and that, apparently, it needs post to sound good close miced, which 95% of the people thus far agree with yet I'm catching flack for it.

Yes, you did. You said adding post (part of the recording process) to make something sound better is funny. That is dumb. You are catching flack for being ignorant, not for disliking the clip. How can you not understand hat no one cares whether you actually liked the clip or not?

Steve

 

[Digital Jams]

Show us how it is done and I will get over it

Ah, I see, so unless you've ever done it before, you can't have an opinion on what it sounds like? You know who that sounds like? AxeFX zealots.

I do not have an Axe, I have a PODPro XT

Of course you do not have to have experience to have an opinion but yours are rather strong and calling out to the OP that he is misleading possible customers is flat out wrong and shows you do not understand recording.

It takes time to make clips, you can have respectful advice or thoughts or act like a douche bag. If you act like a douche bag be prepared to back your statements up.

 

[Mark Day]

Well, it isn't something I keep a list of. Do you keep a list of close miced clips you didn't like? I know I have heard some that sounded nice.

I never heard one I liked, but ya I do keep a bunch of favorite clips that I like. Anything by Rockstah (Mark A from Starship) for an example. His VH1 clips are fucking amazing!!! That's as raw as it gets yet he still "adds" sauce to make it "better". A little reverb, delay, normalizing, maximizing maybe some compression, all necessary to make a close mic recording sound decent, imho.



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I'll drink a beer with you and I'll give you hug, but in manly way.

Yes manly...lol. No reach arounds allowed, Don maybe, but not you buddy...lol.

Mark

 

[tweed]

I do not have an Axe, I have a PODPro XT

Holy BuzzKill Batman! Time to start a fundraiser thread for you so you can upgrade to a HD500.

 

[Rogue]

You're reading comprehension is poor. Did you read my post? I like listening to close-mic'd guitar sounds because I listen to them all the time when I record and I don't expect it to sound like the amp in the room or a produced clip. Most people who do not do a lot of recording will think they sound like shit

My reading comprehension is fine. I'm getting a gauge of your beliefs. So, with all hoopla, you LIKE listening to untouched post miced clips.

Tell me sah5150, do you like some closed miced clips more than others? Have you heard close miced clips that sound "good"? Let's get it on the table. Pretty simple questions.

A close mic'd speaker will never sound like the amp in the room. Every recorded guitar tone you've ever loved has been ambienced, EQ'd, mastered, etc. to either make it sound close, better or different than the amp sounded in the room. No recorded guitar tone you've ever loved was just a close mic'd speaker with no post.

You said that it was funny that people needed to add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good". That makes it clear you do not understand anything about recording guitars. It makes no sense, since that is what EVERy producer does...

No, I've never said ANYTHING about sounding like an amp in the room. That is all pontification on your part.

Look, here's the facts that for whatever reason you have a problem with...


I didn't think the clip was all the great. A few others didn't either.

Mark added some processes in post, to "make it better".

Someone commented on how that was awesome tone for anyone.

I said "yes, as long as you have enough stuff to get it wet enough." Even with a cute smiley face.


From their, it has went downhill. No one has criticized Mark or his technique, but for some reason, there has been a bunch of burrhurt over it.

 

[ttosh]

It was then decided to "make it better" by doctoring it post. I didn't make that decision, but I did find it humorous.

You find it humorous because you are ignorant of recording/mixing technique. It's ok, I forgive you...

I have made no comment regarding recording methods, only how it sounds and that, apparently, it needs post to sound good close miced, which 95% of the people thus far agree with yet I'm catching flack for it.

Yes, you did. You said adding post (part of the recording process) to make something sound better is funny. That is dumb. You are catching flack for being ignorant, not for disliking the clip. How can you not understand hat no one cares whether you actually liked the clip or not?

Steve

^^ This is what I am hearing also, nobody really is defending the clip in a zealot type of way, they are responding to comments you (Rouge) have made that when challenged you misdirect so you do not have give an answer. I did not like the clip as much as some of the others but I understand why Mark redid it, that makes sense and is not odd or funny. Sounds like you need to go back through your posts and see some of the definitive things you have said and rethink them. Or just keep posting and looking ignorant! I do not need a hug for the record!!

 

[Rogue]

I do not have an Axe, I have a PODPro XT

But behaving like an AxeFX zealot.

Of course you do not have to have experience to have an opinion but yours are rather strong and calling out to the OP that he is misleading possible customers is flat out wrong and shows you do not understand recording.

I did nothing of the sort. Read the facts of the matter post above to sah5150. No one called out anyone, and no one claimed anyone was misleading customers, I merely stated the facts that so EVERYONE here has agreed with.

It takes time to make clips, you can have respectful advice or thoughts or act like a douche bag. If you act like a douche bag be prepared to back your statements up.

I can be a douchebag, but let's be clear about something.....I am not a douchebag BECAUSE you are butthurt about something.

 

[duesentrieb]

I do not need a hug for the record!!

 

[jcj]

Rogue- I'll try again, because there's obviously a lot going on here

Genuine question here, in all honesty; what type of gear do you like/play?

I'm aware that you don't like anything Cameron or Axe Fx, and that's cool, but I'd honestly like some perspective.

What do you dig?

 

[Mark Day]

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